Riedel on Hamilton transfer — Page 12

#276

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 11:21am

@After Eight- still don't think you saw it based on those generic comments that could easily be jacked. But that little dust-up obscures the important point which is that calling the show a critics' darling is disingenuous. That doesn't mean you have to like it; it just means you ought to be able to distinguish between personal taste and overall reception. Unless of course Riedel really is your role model.

#277

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 11:24am

I hope After Eight admits that he's just as foolish as the writer of VERITÉ now.

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#278

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 11:39am

"But that little dust-up obscures the important point"

No, that little dust-up underscores the very important point that you make false accusations without any knowledge or basis in fact.

That's not so little.

#279

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 12:03pm

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#280

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 12:04pm

I don't know who I hate more this morning, After Death or Michael Riedel.

#281

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 12:23pm

This thread has plummeted downhill in the past twelve hours.

Updated On: 2/25/15 at 12:23 PM

#282

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 12:24pm

@After Eight-sorry but not buying it. Go hang out with your role model-you deserve each other.

#283

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 12:51pm

After Eight will never answer specific questions. Though it is interesting to see his reaction to a show he can't write-off with his typical, "If it's so good, why did no one go to see it?" or "It is only popular because of the critics."

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#284

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 2:49pm

I have serious question. Is it better to transfer to Broadway and flop than not transfer at all? I mean, Hamilton could run for a long time off-Broadway and be considered a huge hit. Why not just stay there and keep the hype going? Is that considered wrong by insiders?

For instance TOS was a huge, runaway hit that tanked on Broadway. Was it better that they went to Broadway and flopped in insiders eyes? Just curious.

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#285

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 2:53pm

Bettyboy: TOS and Hamilton aren't comparable, number 1. Number 2, They can't "run for a long time" at the Public. The Public has seasons scheduled and limited space.

The pros of Broadway are you can license it as Broadway musical, more opportunity for profit (if you recoup), and the big one, the Tonys.

#286

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 2:54pm

Well, it would have to transfer to a theatre that could support an open ended run, which The Public could not, and the profit margin for an Off-Broadway show is much, much lower than on Broadway. The NY Times estimated their Broadway capitalization at 12 million dollars, if I remember correctly, which obviously would be lower if their goal was Off-Broadway, but what compromises that would are unknown.

Also, there is no denying that Broadway is a much wider audience and I think that there is something to the idea that this is an important show that I imagine the creators are hoping will be presented on a larger scale.

#287

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 3:15pm

@Bettyboy-the economics of off-B is such that a show can never make a huge profit. Hamilton feels more like Rent than In the Heights, and TOS was never a huge runaway hit at the Vineyard-it was just a successful show in a theatre with under 200 seats to fill for a limited time. The move of TOS to Broadway was about a producer who wanted to do it because he had affection for it, not because it was ever going to be a huge success there. There are shows that transfer to Bwy to up their profile for the road but I don't think that was the driving factor for TOS.

#288

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 6:41pm

Jon Groff will be D'Arcy James' replacement at the Public.
This Just In! Jonathan Groff to Take Over as King George in HAMILTON!

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#289

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 6:49pm

Isn't he a little young? It's not like they need a name, yet.

#290

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 6:50pm

So outside of that incident where David Leveaux punched him, has no one else inflicted bodily harm on Riedel....'cuz I'd like to see that.

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#291

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 7:09pm

well people frequently spit in his drinks at Joe Allens while he isn't looking but I don't know if that causes any actual bodily harm or not but i suppose it could.

#292

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 7:14pm

^^^ Hilarious!

Groff is young, but I think he's funny, and he could pull off the comic aspects of the role. I wonder, can he hit those falsetto notes that Brian does? That is a very comical element.

#293

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 8:53pm

Has anyone ever sued Riedel?

#294

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 8:57pm

Groff played the role in the concert version of act 1 they did at Lincoln Center a few years back

#295

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 9:04pm

I thought that was Gavin Creel, but I may be mistaken. ^

#296

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 9:12pm

"anyone ever sued Riedel?"

For expressing his first amendment rights? Nothing in here (or anything else I've read of his) comes anywhere near libel or defamation.

#297

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/25/15 at 10:15pm

Gstrus2 you are right...I was mistaken

#298

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/26/15 at 2:22am

OK so I am in the UK and have no idea why Hamilton has crossover appeal? When I next visit Broadway what are the unique qualities that will make me want to see a rap musical about an obscure historical figure?

I've heard a synopsis of Fun Home, Something Rotten, Honeymoon in Vegas and It Should Have Been You and they all seem like accessible, enjoyable or moving topics- a rap musical about the 1700s seems hard to relate to; as an outsider, how is this show going to be sold to me?

I'm not being flippant and I don't hate the show, I'm just puzzled how something that seems pretty esoteric is catching fire.

#299

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/26/15 at 4:46am

Agreed. As a fellow non-American the only thing appealing to me is the hype. I don't know who Hamilton was.

It's a silly comparison because Hamilton is much more successful in terms of reviews and ticket sales. But let us not forget the Carrie revival practically sold out every night for a couple of months. Broadway requires tourists to get on board to last. Introduce 5x the amount of seats and the demand won't be as strong. Interested to know how it goes. A new, avant-garde musical without any stars is rarely successful. I hope it is.

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#300

Riedel on Hamilton transfer

Posted: 2/26/15 at 7:28am

A non-US person might want to see Hamilton for great storytelling; inventive staging, music, and lyrics; and for a show where all the parts combine to make an enjoyable evening of musical theatre. Along the way, someone might learn a little bit about US history just as Americans or people from other countries attending The Audience will learn a bit about the UK's.