Robert De Niro.- Page 4
Robert De Niro.
#76Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 3:36pm
...why is it always the left that needs to go slow and be tactful, when the Right is embodied by so many red-faced white men yelling and insulting everyone they dislike?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
sdrick
Understudy Joined: 10/4/05
#77Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 3:45pm
Dancingthrulife2 said: "You can say what you want, but at the end of the day, no Russian smear nor calling out Trump can restore sanity in the U.S. Trump is not the problem but a symptom; the real problem is the failing system that gave us Trump. Where do the candidates get most of their campaign funding from? And who do you think they would actually serve--those that gave them the money or the general public? Do you know you DO NOT have the right to vote for the president under the constitution, only the right to elect the elector to vote on your behalf? Do you know half of the country is suffering and gig economy has made a living wageunreachable for a lot despite the fact that they are technically "employed"? Do you know Jeff Bezos would rather have ambulances sitting outside of some warehouses rather than paying for air conditioning? Do you know Flint still don't have clean water? Trump didn't cause any of this. Neither did Russia. It's time to take a look at what is really happening outside the New York bubble."
So, you voted for Trump and you are embarrassed, so you think you have to defend him. I get it. He is embarrassing. The failing system is responsible for Trump, that's true, but now he is there, like a bull in a china shop, destroying everything around him. This is what we must fight against. He must be called out in every venue, any diverse celebration. Yeah, the process needs fixing. In the meantime we need to stop listening to rumors about Bezos, and deal with the ridiculous attacks on our allies, and the imprisonment of children. De Niro said what he said and will distract for a moment, but we can't be sidelined And you have no idea what damage Russia has done. And for your information, I'n not in a New York bubble, I don't live there and I think we are fully aware what is going on across the country. But New York is still one of the most progressive cities, embracing diversity and inclusion.
BWAY Baby2
Broadway Star Joined: 11/10/14
RobInNNJ
Swing Joined: 6/11/18
#79Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 3:57pm
Kad said: "RobInNNJ said: "... another person with a "hate has no home here" sign in his window who harbors raging hated.... "
Hating an individual for their destructive and bigoted rhetoric, policies, and actions is not the same as being a bigot yourself.
"
Well that is a very self-serving definition of hate that works a narrative. Hate is an absolute term in the English language and cannot be modified, e.g., one cannot "almost hate" ... if you are against hate you are against all hate in any form. If we use your definition, we can then justify hating one woman, one person of color, one gay man, one person who identifies as transgender, and on and on ... add all those one person exceptions together and then we have a mob.
BWAY Baby2
Broadway Star Joined: 11/10/14
#80Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 4:01pm
Hate- like the word love- is impossible to define really- it is a state of mind- I don't think De Niro was being hateful- he was angry. Different than hate.
Huss417
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#81Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 4:01pm
@Kad
Don't even bother they are a new person today. Just here to flame the flames. Wouldn't surprise me if it's another person on here under a different name.
"I hope your Fanny is bigger than my Peter."
Mary Martin to Ezio Pinza opening night of Fanny.
#82Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 4:02pm
I knew what he said without even having any confirmation. YAWN.
Why not say something actually insightful and intelligent? Instead of the same lame expletive everybody's been spouting for 3+ years at this point?
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VintageSnarker
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/30/15
#83Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 4:55pm
JBC3 said: "I wonder what his intention was, assuming he had one other than to utter his proclamation. Perhaps enabling the visceral release was all he wanted to accomplish.
But it was not a call to action such as the one Kushner expressed in mentioning the ballot box. It was not an eloquent articulation of why diversity and inclusion are so important as we had in several acceptance speeches.
In some ways it was selfish as an awards presenter to act in a manner virtually guaranteed to generate attention-stealing headlines all about him.
When people are privileged enough to have both the spotlight and the microphone (and an audience of millions) I always hope they use them in the most constructive way possible to actually bring about desired change.
"
This. I'm not mad at the sentiment. But it's just going to give the media more fodder to distract from pressing issues, it doesn't actually advocate for a damn thing, and it distracts from the Tony winners and their accomplishments. Just because it was de Niro, it doesn't make it any selfish and pointless.
VIETgrlTerifa
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/18/04
#84Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 5:25pm
From what I noticed, it's been almost twenty four hours and nobody really talked about it. I say go for it. If our country survives and if the saying "the wheels of justice turn slow but exceedingly fine" is actually true, then those saying "Eff Trump" will be in the right and those who were complacent in not doing anything will be seen as appeasers who sat back and did nothing. Maybe not in this context because nobody watches or pays attention to the Tonys, but the sentiment rings true overall.
"I've got to get me out of here
This place is full of dirty old men
And the navigators and their mappy maps
And moldy heads and pissing on sugar cubes
While you stare at your books."
#85Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 5:28pm
RobInNNJ said: "if you are against hate you are against all hate in any form. "
That's not even close to true. Hate towards people of color is not the same as hate for rhubarb pie. And calling out of said hatred is not hatred.
Art has a double face, of expression and illusion.
#86Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 5:31pm
Trump is not the problem but a symptom
He is both. They are not mutually exclusive. Explosive diarrhea can be a symptom of an illness and when it occurs, it is often a problem. Trump is like explosive diarrhea.
Why not say something actually insightful and intelligent?
Because concise and direct works well. In two words, he spoke more intelligently and with more authority than his subject has about anything in over 30 years. Well, except maybe when it comes to sexual assault. Trump can speak at length with personal authority, but he's entirely incapable of speaking intelligently.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#87Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 5:36pm
sdrick said: "Dancingthrulife2 said: "You can say what you want, but at the end of the day, no Russian smear nor calling out Trump can restore sanity in the U.S. Trump is not the problem but a symptom; the real problem is the failing system that gave us Trump. Where do the candidates get most of their campaign funding from? And who do you think they would actually serve--those that gave them the money or the general public? Do you know you DO NOT have the right to vote for the president under the constitution, only the right to elect the elector to vote on your behalf? Do you know half of the country is suffering and gig economy has made a living wageunreachable for a lot despite the fact that they are technically "employed"? Do you know Jeff Bezos would rather have ambulances sitting outside of some warehouses rather than paying for air conditioning? Do you know Flint still don't have clean water? Trump didn't cause any of this. Neither did Russia. It's time to take a look at what is really happening outside the New York bubble."
So, you voted for Trump and you are embarrassed, so you think you have to defend him. I get it. He is embarrassing. The failing system is responsible for Trump, that's true, but now he is there, like a bull in a china shop, destroying everything around him. This is what we must fight against. He must be called out in every venue, any diverse celebration. Yeah, the process needs fixing. In the meantime we need to stop listening to rumors about Bezos, and deal with the ridiculous attacks on our allies, and the imprisonment of children. De Niro said what he said and will distract for a moment, but we can't be sidelined And you have no idea what damage Russia has done. And for your information, I'n not in a New York bubble, I don't live there and I think we are fully aware what is going on across the country. But New York is still one of the most progressive cities, embracing diversity and inclusion."
Who told you I voted for HIM? There was more than one "her" in the last election, and I was with the other "her."
BWAY Baby2
Broadway Star Joined: 11/10/14
#88Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 5:54pm
I suppose it is not surprising that people who are interested in theater- drama, literature, music, the arts....- are so pointedly aware of what is happening to our democracy- and the slow build up we are getting to a president who believes he is above the law- and can do what he wants to his enemies using the full weight of any governmental agency. He openly states his intentions- so this is not surprise to us who are paying attention. He does some good- mostly bad- but that is besides the point- he does not believe in the rule of law- and consistently denigrates our institutions and checks and balance system of government- and that is the bottom line. And if we do not do something soon- and do not win big in the midterms and take the House at least- the road to dictatorship will be greased. These things do not happen all of a sudden- there is a subtle and long deterioration- Cabaret was no joke- nor was Fiddler On The Roof- and so many other dramatizations of historic periods where pogroms and fascist dictatorships occurred- and we are not immune- and are, undoubtedly- in my opinion- and in De Niro's opinion I would certainly guess- going down that horrendous road.
#89Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:07pmI’m personally tired of these celebrities setting the bar lower and lower for themselves and doing the absolute bare minimum to make any impactful change, and then getting patted on the back and fawned over for weeks for it. Spitting out, “**** Trump!” isn’t new or revolutionary or even making any kind of deep statement. Yeah, you hate Trump. So do a lot of other people. Either say something meaningful about it or keep the focus on the awards and nominees.
"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#90Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:10pm
Elfuhbuh said: "I’m personally tired of these celebrities setting the bar lower and lower for themselves and doing the absolute bare minimum to make any impactful change, and then getting patted on the back and fawned over for weeks for it. Spitting out, “**** Trump!” isn’t new or revolutionary or even making any kind of deep statement. Yeah, you hate Trump. So do a lot of other people. Either say something meaningful about it or keep the focus on the awards and nominees. "
Come on, someone with that awesome avatar has to appreciate a good “f*ck you” gesture. Anyway, considering what happened this weekend and I’m not just talking about the G7, it was a good time to say “F*ck Trump”. He and his cronies truly deserve it.
BWAY Baby2
Broadway Star Joined: 11/10/14
#91Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:13pm
I agree with you- but we need Obama, GW Bush, Clinton and Carter- and maybe a few more GOP-ers- to get together and warn the American people- and the low information voters- that the soul of our democracy is being threatened. If that does not do any good- we have had it as a democracy- IMO.
#92Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:24pm
ScottyDoesn’tKnow2, it’s not that I’m opposed to the words themselves so much as it usually seems like celebrities are just “preaching to the choir” when they do stuff like this. It comes off more like, “**** Trump, amirite fellow liberals?” than it does calling for any impactful change. And yeah, that would be fine, but the media swarms the moment and acts like De Niro singlehandedly accomplished Trump’s impeachment with a quick crude statement. For anyone who doesn’t already oppose Trump, this kind of thing just makes them roll their eyes and change the channel. To them, it’s just annoying celebrities with their annoying politics if there isn’t any deeper message other than, “I don’t like the President you picked.” I can assure you it doesn’t make the bold, revolutionary, country-changing statement some people seem to think it does.
And this is coming from someone who didn’t vote for Trump, by the way.
"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#93Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:28pmI just took it as a comment that want meant to vent unhappiness, frustration, and anger that many are feeling. Nothing more than that. After the 2016 elections and how I saw what some call “the real Americans” or “the people” (which I find to be overstating things) turn their backs on other communities and do it with glee and show much much they do not care about them, I couldn’t care less if those people roll their eyes at elitist celebrities. They drew their lines and I think it’s time we accept it and open our eyes to their self-serving and just as hypocritical selves and stop treating those people like babies that need to be coddled and start taking them to task. But that’s just me.
#94Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:46pm
That’s the thing, though. The people rolling their eyes and changing the channel are just as active in elections as the people who oppose Trump, and they’ll just keep electing more Trumps as time goes on. I feel like in general, people need to start being more open to expressing thoughts and beliefs more clearly than just throwing out insults. Explain why you disagree with what’s going on. Educate others on what you think is wrong. Actually talk to people and use your platform to win more to your side. Insults don’t educate. Insults don’t change anything. Patting each other on the back for being “enlightened” and preaching back and forth in an echo chamber does nothing to change the minds of people not already on your side. (Not “you” as in Just You, I mean “you” in the general sense.)
This country is one running on freedom of speech, and De Niro had every right to say what he wanted to. I just disagree with the idea that anyone who could possibly be swayed should be given up on and sneered at by default just because they’re on the “wrong” side currently, because that ultimately isn’t going to win more supporters. If De Niro wants to use his platform for good, then he and others like him need to do a bit more than the bare minimum. The time for celebrities to be patted on the back for throwing out random insults that don’t do anything in the grand scheme of things needs to come to an end. I’m just not falling for it anymore.
"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#95Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 6:50pm
There’s a time, place, manner. These issues are so complicated and nuanced and it’s clear people don’t want to have meaningful discussions that may require people read and I mean really read like academic journals or at least articles longer than five pages. That doesn’t work to get concise points across. They only like sound bytes and elections are won based on that...that and memes and bots. One side has been winning overwhelmingly just by doing that and bamboozling people exploiting their ignorance and penchant for only hearing what they want to hear. Both sides are guilty of doing that. The real discussions and deep self-reflection are happening in conferences all across the country, but regular people have no interest in partaking. They want a cultural war.
Updated On: 6/11/18 at 06:50 PM
MCfan2
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/06
#96Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 7:04pm
The way I see it, you can be like Robert De Niro or you can be like Tony Shalhoub. De Niro basically just blew off steam to make himself and everyone else in the room feel better, and Trump will probably fundraise off it for months. He (De Niro) accomplished little. Shalhoub gave a very personal, thoughtful, moving speech about the greatness of immigration and of learning from those who experienced it. In terms of actually reaching minds and hearts, I'm pretty sure he accomplished way more.
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#97Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 7:07pmYou need both tactics. One to be the aggressor and rev up the base while the other being the “nice” one and playing non-threatening appealing to basic populism. It’s pretty classic.
mc1227
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/07
#98Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 9:42pm
Broadway Joe said: "I thought it was just silly because all it did was steal headlines away from the actual awards and he said absolutely nothing new or intellectual. He said exactly what most people in that room already have said before in other ways and this was like preaching to the choir since pretty much everyone there and watching on TV agrees already anyway and it's stuff Deniro has said already too."
Spot on. Rants like that are viewed as liberal propaganda and only gives fodder for conservatives to spew more unpopular stances just to make their points. We all know the ugly climate in Washington but as Michelle Obama said, when they go low, we go high. That’s the only way to counteract hate. Those awards last night should have stood alone in their inclusive message. That said so much more than an FU to Trump.
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Rainah
Broadway Star Joined: 11/24/16
#99Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 9:53pm
I understand what people are saying, but I think we need to look at it from the other direction. Everyone should be saying "F**k Trump" at the start of all of their speeches, so one guy doing it no longer stands out. Start your day with "F**k Trump". Say "F**k Trump" instead of hello/goodbye. Make it as commonplace as possible, and remind the rest of the US that this is not okay. You do not condone this.
JBC3
Broadway Star Joined: 4/9/17
#100Robert De Niro.
Posted: 6/11/18 at 10:02pmRainah said: "I understand what people are saying, but I think we need to look at it from the other direction. Everyone should be saying "F**k Trump" at the start of all of their speeches, so one guy doing it no longer stands out. Start your day with "F**k Trump". Say "F**k Trump" instead of hello/goodbye. Make it as commonplace as possible, and remind the rest of the US that this is not okay. You do not condone this."
This is not like accumlating likes or RTs and unlocking some reward. No amount of F**k Trump statements is going to change things. Grass roots activism to get people registered to vote and then to the polls, as well as lobbying Congress on relevant votes, is what will bring about change. Almost everything else is noise including De Niro.
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