Wikipedia entry for Greek Chorus has been updated:
"In the musical Spider-Man, Turn Off the Dark, a "Geek Chorus" consists of teenagers who meet to ritualistically retell the greatest Spider-Man stories."
I have also heard the music from the first preview. I don't think the music is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I really like Boy Falls From The Sky and Bullying By Numbers and Think Again and If The World Should End.
Having only heard very small sound clips, I don't think it sounds too awful. But I have yet to hear the whole show, so maybe my opinion would totally change after hearing it all.
"Art, in itself, is an attempt to bring order out of chaos."-Stephen Sondheim
"Lets be honest 90 percent of the people on this thread want the show to fail."
Nonsense.
90%, you say?
Utter nonsense.
The technological aspects of this show have created so many problems and have unfortunately yielded so few benefits to the show itself, which, in the end, with or without stoppages, is fairly dismal.
I'd say it's the emphasis on the technology that has proven to be the show's undoing. Maybe one's priorities for the theatre should be rethought. Great musicals of the past like "South Pacific" and "My Fair Lady" needed no flying; they just had great books and scores. I think we should return to those basics, and leave the flying for the birds.
Well since the basics of the story of Spiderman involve 'flying' around **hence why he is a Superhero and not merely human** I think the complaints about this show involve things that have nothing to do with story canon that even the average person who has only seen the Sam Raimi films can catch. Arachne has been a popular target and so has the Geek Chorus while Uncle Ben and some majors characters were either not featured in the show or not written in depth. When you take a popular character story and take those kinds of liberties there is going to be some hostile blowback by just the mere description of those changes.
The thing I can't get over is that I always thought this site was basically for people who love and support theatre. I'm so sad that so many seem to drool with happiness with any tiny report that there is a problem and who honestly HOPE the show will fail. Seems to me true theatre lovers would be hoping for the best -- not licking their chops when a show is in trouble. How sad.
I would love it if Spider-man proved the cynics wrong and became a big fat juicy hit. I was hoping for just such a story with the first preview. So, I would like to be included in whatever arbitrary percentage of people are wanting this show to succeed.
Unfortunately, the first preview was a PR disaster and the subsequent reports haven't helped matters.
The injuries have been newsworthy, but they don't (yet) outnumber other Broadway shows, and we apparently can't express any concern about them until they do lest we be labeled drama queens.
We still have several weeks of previews to go before the show is "frozen", so I hope they can fix the noted problems with the book and score, but I worry that the technical demands of the show may limit the amount of reworking they can do. I worry that the show was "frozen" before the cast ever entered the theater. (If that makes me a contemptible drama queen I guess I will just try carry on somehow...)
And no one grew into anything new, we just became the worst of what we were."
I think it's fair to label people as drama queens when we get statements like "this show should be shut down for the safety of the actors."
I would like this show to succeed, as I do most every show. I don't think that it should not be analyzed, but so much of what we hear seems to be about the budget and Julie's "massive ego." There have been some very good posts on this thread, if you can wade through the vitriol that some others seem to relish spewing. And some do seem to be scouring for every negative thing posted elsewhere so that they can bring it here. Would Twitter posts from hooray4boobies about any other show really be taken seriously?
As theater lovers we should hope that the VERY LIMITED Broadway real-estate is well used.
A bad show shouldn't be supported. It should be kicked out so that something else can take it's place. I support good theater. Not theater in general. There's a lot of bad theater in the world. It looks like Spiderman fits that bill.
A bad show shouldn't be supported. It should be kicked out so that something else can take it's place. I support good theater. Not theater in general. There's a lot of bad theater in the world. It looks like Spiderman fits that bill.
A) Have you seen it? and B) Then you're opening up a whole can of worms with the discussion of what constitutes "good". I think saying you won't support it simply for the sake of it not being worthy, so to say, without further explanation is a little bit foolish especially if you haven't even seen it.
The ONLY thing interesting thing about Spider-Man is its outsized problems. The 3 1/2 hour running time. The injuries. The fact that it is the most expensive show in Broadway history.
Eventually, these problems will be solved. The show will be under 3 hours, and will run smoothly and safely. And what will we have? A big mediocre show. Better than Tarzan, not as good as Mary Poppins. Once this show stops having problems, it's not going to be very interesting.
Behind the fake tinsel of Broadway is real tinsel.
I personally am not "drooling" with happiness over reports of a musical failing...I simply think that so far, the show is not going well. Could it change? Yes...do I want it to change? Yes...but so far from what I have HEARD (I have yet to see it myself but I'm basing this off a friends experience, twitter, reports, and audios) I dont like it. Does this make me a drama queen obsessed with a show failing? Hell no, I live 5 hours away from NYC so the only way I can know what is going on is by second hand reports...and so far these reports are not good.
"Life in theater is give and take...but you need to be ready to give more then you take..."
"B) Then you're opening up a whole can of worms with the discussion of what constitutes "good". I think saying you won't support it simply for the sake of it not being worthy, so to say, without further explanation is a little bit foolish especially if you haven't even seen it."
That's ridiculous. Saying a supporter of theater and/or Broadway should support every show, give every show is the worst ideal ever presented. There aren't enough theaters for that mind-set! SOME SHOWS ARE BAD. Yes, what is "good" and what is "bad" is debatable, but as a fan of theater, I shouldn't have to give Spiderman a shot if I don't want to.
That's like saying a fan of cinema has to like every movie EVER produced.
Get real. Stop sticking up for a show that is an embarrassment to the American musical.
Even though I do support you in the "not having to support it" debate...to say its an embarrasement to musical theater is a bit much at this point. It's still in previews, therefore could improve. As others have said, there is some hope in there...its just up to the creative team (or just Taymor) to find it
"Life in theater is give and take...but you need to be ready to give more then you take..."
I didn't say (or even come close to saying) that you have to support it. My point was that you should at least have some knowledge of what it is you're choosing not to support...because it's not as if you're unaware of the project and therefore are unintentionally missing it, or missing it out of apathy. You're going out of your way to say that you won't support it without having seen it or even possessing knowledge of it that doesn't come mainly from speculation. THAT was my point.
(I have a ticket to see the show....so I am playing Devil's Advocate.)
I can chose to NOT support the show without seeing it for many reasons and still be right in my choices.
1. I hate the idea of Spider-man or any superhero on B'way. 2. I don't like spectacle over substance. 3. I think its obnoxious to spend 65 MILLION bucks on a b'way show. 4. I don't like Julie Taymor's previous work. 5. I don't like mindless entertainment.
I could continue, but you get the idea. MIGHT I have appreciated/liked if and been pleasantly suprised? MAYBE. But it's my perogative to take that risk.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.