Thoughts on Cynthia Erivo — Page 3

There should be more truth to any life than race.

Bringing race into this, and other cases lik the Great Comet is just very rude and really makes me wonder if there is anything more to her than race. Because it seemed to be the only reason for her desired dreamcasting.

There "should" be more truth to any life then race. But in many instances (especially in this country) that is not the case. There is not one single story in history you can tell that race did not play a factor in it. So for me it's never "playing the race card". The card was dealt the second we were born. That is both a burden and a blessing. Despite what you guys have informed me on what she says on twitter (which is not perfect at all but nothing is when it comes to topics like these)I still want to challenge folks into asking the "WHY" into all of this. Sometimes we can't just be so dismissive of peoples behavior, words and feelings especially if they are a part of group that historically have been grossly undermined.


I'm not here to argue at all by the way. I appreciate discussion on these matters. I just don't think it's as black and white (no pun) as you guys might see it.







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Dave28282 said: "bossbear062 said: "Calling a black person racist is also not correct."

Stop right there. Any person can be racist. Many black people are racist.

Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. (Which Cynthia does here)

In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong rather than on individual attributes. (which Cynthia does here)

Prejudice is an affective feeling toward a person or group member based solely on their group membership (which Cynthia does here).



Look the word racism is a more complex word then what a dictionary says. You can't sum up a history of profitable oppression that still effects society to this day is one stance in a book. So instead of telling me to "stop" and then quoting a book, ask me "why" or "how".

bossbear062 said: "So for me it's never "playing the race card". The card was dealt the second we were born. That is both a burden and a blessing. Despite what you guys have informed me on what she says on twitter "

The card is definitely played very selectively and very smartly.

The only blessing is being able to not use it and you will see that the world will start to treat you differently.

In any situation you are better off not playing the card and focus on the actual situation. I am amazed on a daily basis how often people bring it up, in all kinds of inappropriate situations. Like the Oak debacle.

bossbear062 said: "You can't sum up a history of profitable oppression that still effects society to this day is one stance in a book. So instead of telling me to "stop" and then quoting a book, ask me "why" or "how". "

What Cynthia (and many others) is doing now is returning that oppression. Her attitude in the twitter case is exactly profitable oppression. You can like that and say she has the right to do the same thing that she feels has been done to her, but that does not make her "not racist".

Updated On: 8/6/17 at 10:54 AM

Dave28282 said: "What Cynthia (and many others) is doing now is returning that oppression."



HAHAHAHA. Stupidity kills.

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Updated On: 8/6/17 at 11:02 AM

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Calling a black person racist is also not correct. Prejudice and or bigoted yes. But racist is a completely different and more complex meaning that historically does not apply to black people. Especially in western society.



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BlackElleWoods said: "Dave28282 said: "orlikethecolorpurple said: " Race is not something POC "play" "

Oh yes, and Cynthia plays it VERY selectively, as you can read in the previous points about her suddenly changing her standpoint to her advance.

Yes !!! She definitely played it with the Hercules situation and Great Comet & anyone who thinks she didnt wasnt paying attention to anything



It's just so sad that people believe this is something to "play" with. I guess this whole time the fight to find nuance and challenge the notion of equality has just been one big game for people.

I think she's super talented and deserving of every award possible, but the woman needs to take a LOA from Twitter.

Focus on racial differences, constant separation the whole day through is what keeps racism alive. ESPECIALLY in situations that have nothing to do with it. Which happens in the cases mentioned here.

Both situations have nothing to do with race and yet, it is brought in. Which has no goal. It only creates a bigger gap, lesser understanding and more negative feelings.

Of course there needs to be/will always be talk about history and respect, and that history will always be taught at schools but it also is our duty to rise above it in daily life and situations that have nothing to do with it. Focusing on the differences between people is not the solution. Looking beyond them is.

Mentioning it in every sentence of your day is keeping society sick. It prevents people from really seeing eachother.

I'm with Morgan.

Updated On: 8/6/17 at 11:36 AM

You know whatever happened to "performers only owe us a great performance and you have no right to expect them to greet you at the stage door?" I feel the same about social media. Cynthia Erivo gives great performances onstage. On social media she's just a normal person who expresses her views. She shouldn't be held to a higher bar. She's not a politician, she's not a lawmaker, she's not a religious leader. She's just a normal woman. If you don't like her social media presence don't follow her.

And FWIW I think it's rich that Broadway performers are held to a higher standard of etiquette and behavior on social media compared to, say, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Updated On: 8/6/17 at 11:54 AM

bossbear062 said: "You don't get cured of cancer just by not talking about it."

But you might live a happier life if you don't mention it to everyone, every sentence, every day all day. Beinig treated like a victim everywhere you go. But focus on other things too and reach beyond it.

It's not like anyone helped the situation or gained any form of respect by accusing random strangers on Twitter of racism because they didn't mention you in the role you preferred in a fan fiction dreamcasting game.

Updated On: 8/6/17 at 12:04 PM

(Haven't read the thread -- just answering the OP's question)

i think she's stunningly talented and her performance as Celie in TCP was one for the ages. I was moved to tears when she performed at last year's Kennedy Center Honors.

I have unfollowed her on Twitter.

Updated On: 8/6/17 at 12:11 PM