Tony's in light of Orlando shooting.- Page 5

[schubox]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:33pm

Huss417 said: "Sometimes its better to say nothing so I will refrain. 

 

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So what was the point of this post?

[Huss417]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:35pm

schubox said: "Huss417 said: "Sometimes its better to say nothing so I will refrain. 

 

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So what was the point of this post?

Exactly

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[South Florida]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:35pm

My heart is breaking today.  I can't imagine enjoying the show tonight, it's the only show I look forward to all year.  There's an emptiness in me that I don't think a show can cure.  Good luck to the performers and the presenters.  This is gonna be a tough night.

[theatreguy12]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:36pm

And I don't disagree with you.  

I'm just saying that the theater that we associate with Broadway and the celebration of it at the Tonys  is a part of America though.  

It's the principle of the thing for me. It really has little (or nothing) to do with the actuality of anyone of their ilk actually watching, or paying attention to this celebration of NY theater?

Had the show been canceled, had it been advertised as such, would they have even known anyway?   Or cared?  Maybe not.  But again, it's the principle I'm talking about.

[gypsy101]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:37pm

Updated On: 6/12/16 at 06:37 PM

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:39pm

I'm deleting what I originally wrote because it was covered by others.

I think the show could have been postponed a week. It's summer. CBS has the air time.

LE won't have even finished notifying the next of kin of the shooting victims when the Tonys begin in half-an-hour. That's awfully early for a "celebration of live theater".
 

 

Updated On: 6/12/16 at 06:39 PM

[schubox]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:43pm

theatreguy12 said: "And I don't disagree with you.  

I'm just saying that the theater that we associate with Broadway and the celebration of it at the Tonys  is a part of America though.  

It's the principle of the thing for me. It really has little (or nothing) to do with the actuality of anyone of their ilk actually watching, or paying attention to this celebration of NY theater?

Had the show been canceled, had it been advertised as such, would they have even known anyway?   Or cared?  Maybe not.  But again, it's the principle I'm talking about.

 

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I respect your viewpoint. I don't necessarily agree with it but you stated it well and in a non hyperbolic way 

[nsguy45]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:49pm

Never mind.

Updated On: 6/12/16 at 06:49 PM

[SamIAm]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:54pm

Actually there were changes made after 9/11 because the networks did not feel they could go on with the scheduled awards in light of the HUGE tragedy. They had a lot more time to make the change and adjust schedules. 

In light of this tragedy, and the fact that this is not on the scale of 9/11, I would not expect them to cancel but rather to do a tribute or statement during the awards. These types of tragedies are becoming so common these days that, sadly, we would be cancelling and postponing everything and we cannot give those who wish us ill the satisfaction of knowing that they have changed our world to that degree. It is hard to go on, but we have to be strong. 

 

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 6:57pm

Schubox, I think you're missing the point when it comes to the reasoning behind not utilizing the muskets. It's not about trying to avoid offending viewers or making self-indulgent demonstrations of sadness. It's a gesture that's a part of the dedication of tonight's ceremony to the lives that were lost today. Making choices that symbolize that those individuals will not be forgotten is the respectful thing to do.

[schubox]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 7:07pm

Cupid Boy2 said: "Schubox, I think you're missing the point when it comes to the reasoning behind not utilizing the muskets. It's not about trying to avoid offending viewers or making self-indulgent demonstrations of sadness. It's a gesture that's a part of the dedication of tonight's ceremony to the lives that were lost today. Making choices that symbolize that those individuals will not be forgotten is the respectful thing to do.

 

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Respectful to who? And it makes no sense. Unless they plan on changing a lot of lyrics in the song they're singing. Hell, 60 minutes just showed a clip of Groff singing "I will kill your friends and family" right after they did an update of the shootings. So what are we talking about here? It's a symbolic gesture for catharsis for the people not involved. It's not doing anything for anyone involved or affected. 

Donate blood, time, or money if you want to help. Wearing a ribbon or saying your thoughts and prayers are with the victims isn't helping anyone. 

 

[playbill-love]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 7:19pm

I am at the 54 Below BCEFA party and BCEFA just announced that they are making a $25,000 donation to Equality Florida, the organization that is helping the families of victims with medical and funeral costs.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 7:31pm

No, not the scale of 9/11. But it's being billed as the "the worst mass shooting" in U.S. history.

And people were still being shot less than 12 hours ago.

[backwoodsbarbie]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 7:32pm

Tonight is a celebration of art. It is their artistic choice to drop the muskets. If we can accept a black man playing Thomas Jefferson and not have an issue with "historical accuracy" then why can't we still believe that the Colonists won The Battle of Yorktown without a play musket? 

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 7:32pm

It's most definitely important that we take the initiative to give back in our own lives, but as individuals, we can only do so much. By using their national platform to honor the lives that were taken today, the Broadway community has the opportunity to contribute to a dialogue regarding the hate that is alive and well in our country. As a community with a national platform, they are much stronger together than they are as their own individuals.

No one here called for all references to violence to be eliminated from tonight's broadcast. That wouldn't be reasonable. This is ONE symbolic choice. That's all it takes to make a statement. Just one. No one is crying out to whitewash the whole thing.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 8:22pm

^^^^ Oh, good. I thought participants in a commercial enterprise were going to pat themselves on the back and advertise their wares.

Updated On: 6/12/16 at 08:22 PM

[Margo319]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 8:27pm

"No one here called for all references to violence to be eliminated from tonight's broadcast. That wouldn't be reasonable. This is ONE symbolic choice. That's all it takes to make a statement. Just one. No one is crying out to whitewash the whole thing."

 

Exactly. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 8:30pm

[schubox]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 11:27pm

Cupid Boy2 said: "It's most definitely important that we take the initiative to give back in our own lives, but as individuals, we can only do so much. By using their national platform to honor the lives that were taken today, the Broadway community has the opportunity to contribute to a dialogue regarding the hate that is alive and well in our country. As a community with a national platform, they are much stronger together than they are as their own individuals.

No one here called for all references to violence to be eliminated from tonight's broadcast. That wouldn't be reasonable. This is ONE symbolic choice. That's all it takes to make a statement. Just one. No one is crying out to whitewash the whole thing.

 

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How is it a statement when a vast majority of people watching the show won't even know they did it. Is it a statement or was it insensitive to have guns in the show? Cause now you're saying both 

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 11:54pm

schubox said: "How is it a statement when a vast majority of people watching the show won't even know they did it. Is it a statement or was it insensitive to have guns in the show? Cause now you're saying both"

Please point me towards where I said it was insensitive to have guns in the show. I said the gesture itself was a respectful thing to do as a way of acknowledging the tragedy, and I went on to elaborate that it was a way of making a statement. I never said references to violence were insensitive. In fact, I specifically said I wasn't calling for all of that to be eliminated.

 

Updated On: 6/13/16 at 11:54 PM

[Steve C.]

Posted: 6/12/16 at 11:56pm

I have been almost in a state of shock today: I haven't done any thing but tear up and cry and it will only get worse as more facts are released.

But I don't understand how this too, had to be made something about Hamilton. Hamilton was shot in a duel and back then that was a way of life and justice. No idiot was around, Today was a premeditated act of mass murder by a madman full of hate and intent on murder.

I would think most people would be able to tell the difference.

[Wildcard]

Posted: 6/13/16 at 1:09am

I'm curious about how The Book of Mormon will handle the moment when they sing about Orlando

[schubox]

Posted: 6/13/16 at 9:36am

Cupid Boy2 said: "schubox said: "How is it a statement when a vast majority of people watching the show won't even know they did it. Is it a statement or was it insensitive to have guns in the show? Cause now you're saying both"

Please point me towards where I said it was insensitive to have guns in the show. I said the gesture itself was a respectful thing to do as a way of acknowledging the tragedy, and I went on to elaborate that it was a way of making a statement. I never said references to violence were insensitive. In fact, I specifically said I wasn't calling for all of that to be eliminated.

 

 

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I think you're the only person saying it was a symbolic gesture. Every other person I've seen talk about it is saying it would be insensitive to have people holding muskets and pointing them at each other.

And again I'm not sure how it's symbolic when only a small few know about it. I'm the only person at work who has seen Hamilton and no one here had any idea they took muskets out of the performance 

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 6/13/16 at 11:24am

schubox said: "I think you're the only person saying it was a symbolic gesture. Every other person I've seen talk about it is saying it would be insensitive to have people holding muskets and pointing them at each other.

And again I'm not sure how it's symbolic when only a small few know about it. I'm the only person at work who has seen Hamilton and no one here had any idea they took muskets out of the performance "

Every other person saying it was insensitive gives you permission to put words in my mouth? I see no explanation for you initial assertion. 

I truly DO NOT care if I'm the only person saying it was a symbolic gesture. Do you want to know why? Because it's my OPINION. It's my INTERPRETATION. I don't need to say "I think" or "I believe" to establish that because I never tried to assert my words as fact. 

Finally, if you're reading a piece of literature that is littered with symbolism yet you don't have the understanding to recognize it, does that mean the reader has altered the author's intention simply out of ignorance? 

Updated On: 6/13/16 at 11:24 AM

[schubox]

Posted: 6/13/16 at 1:44pm

Cupid Boy2 said: "schubox said: "I think you're the only person saying it was a symbolic gesture. Every other person I've seen talk about it is saying it would be insensitive to have people holding muskets and pointing them at each other.

And again I'm not sure how it's symbolic when only a small few know about it. I'm the only person at work who has seen Hamilton and no one here had any idea they took muskets out of the performance "

Every other person saying it was insensitive gives you permission to put words in my mouth? I see no explanation for you initial assertion. 

I truly DO NOT care if I'm the only person saying it was a symbolic gesture. Do you want to know why? Because it's my OPINION. It's my INTERPRETATION. I don't need to say "I think" or "I believe" to establish that because I never tried to assert my words as fact. 

Finally, if you're reading a piece of literature that is littered with symbolism yet you don't have the understanding to recognize it, does that mean the reader has altered the author's intention simply out of ignorance? 

 

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So your assertion that it was symbolic is pure speculation with literally nothing to back it up. Okay