What's next for the St. James ?

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 1:59pm

With Queen Of Versailles irreversibly flopping hard, what's next for the St. James come spring? 

Updated On: 10/11/25 at 01:59 PM

[THDavis]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 2:08pm

CoffeeBreak said: "With Queen Of Versailles irreversibly flopping hard, what's next for the St. James comespring?"

Evita, probably. And for anyone saying they won’t shut down a NYC street to accommodate onlookers… it likely depends on the ticket price, which I imagine will be astronomical in comparison to Nicole’s Sunset.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 2:16pm

Maybe QOV will flop, maybe its really has vapid as so many here have said, but the hostility towards it--the eagerness for it to flop--is unseemly. To start a whole new thread about who will replace a show less than a week into its previews? Are you all this nasty in real life?

[THDavis]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 2:25pm

PipingHotPiccolo said: "Maybe QOV will flop, maybe its really has vapid as so many here have said, but the hostility towards it--the eagerness for it to flop--is unseemly. To start a whole new thread about who will replace a show less than a week into its previews? Are you all this nasty in real life?"

I don’t think this post is at all a celebration of a show’s lack of feasibility. To me, it reads as speculation of the inevitable: another show will go into this theatre, and it seems likely that it’ll be sooner rather than later

No disrespect intended toward the cast and crew of QoV. If it completely turns it around and becomes a smash hit, good for them!


Ironically, I don’t recall anyone talking smack about Real Women Have Curves even when it was obvious it was going to have a short run… almost like more relatable and better constructed shows don’t receive the same animosity when the obvious is on the horizon. I wonder why this show hits different… (sarcasm)

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 7:18pm

We saw it in Boston.   Will see it later this month prior to open.   If few changes have happened, it's inevitable.  The St. James will have a new tenant. 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 7:30pm

THDavis said: "
Ironically, I don’t recall anyone talking smack about Real Women Have Curves even when it was obvious it was going to have a short run… almost like more relatable and better constructed shows don’t receive the same animosity when the obvious is on the horizon. I wonder why this show hits different… (sarcasm)"

No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but its a real bad look. 

[GottaGetAGimmick420]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 7:53pm

PipingHotPiccolo said: "THDavis said: "
Ironically, I don’t recall anyone talking smack about Real Women Have Curves even when it was obvious it was going to have a short run… almost like more relatable and better constructed shows don’t receive the same animosity when the obvious is on the horizon. I wonder why this show hits different… (sarcasm)"

No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but its a real bad look."

okay.

no one discuss anything on the discussion board folks.

[gibsons2]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 8:10pm

I'm really curious to see the grosses for this show next week. It's entirely possible that the only new four musicals opening this fall will be saved by the lack of competition. 2 big revivals and only 2 new original musicals. I'm not seeing QoV, but I'm certain a lot of people, tourists and tri-borough locals will due to lack of anything else to see. I know there are also Mamma Mia and Beetlejuice, but these are tour shows and have been on Broadway not too long ago.

[BOM]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 8:18pm

Will Arden be able to recover from two flops in one season? 

[THDavis]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 8:44pm

PipingHotPiccolo said: "No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but it’s a real bad look."

Thank you for correcting my semantics, My Liege. Petty arguments about grammar, even when correct, have gotten us so far in modern times…

Updated On: 10/11/25 at 08:44 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 9:11pm

No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but its a real bad look."

okay.

no one discuss anything on the discussion board folks.

Haha, right? This person hasn't seen the show obviously but is super mad/sad/pressed/judgmental that people are discussing the show and how bad a look it is? On a message board called Broadway World? Almost as pathetic and atrocious as his grammar, even though he pretends he's a "lawyer." LOLZ.

Updated On: 10/11/25 at 09:11 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 9:17pm

Sutton Ross said: "No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but its a real bad look."

okay.

no one discuss anything on the discussion board folks.

Haha, right? This person hasn't seen the show obviously but is super mad/sad/pressed/judgmentalthat people are discussing the show and how bad it is? On a message board called Broadway World? Almost as pathetic and atrocious as his grammar, even though he pretends he's a "lawyer." LOLZ."

Seen Audra in any hotel lobbies lately, Sutton? LOLZ. 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 10:13pm

i dont think anyone here is fooling anyone else by suggesting i am opposed to people sharing their reviews, guesses, feelings, about anything, or any show. if i do see QOV, i will be as cutting and honest as necessary. (and i'd be one of the few people to actually have seen it, because most of you have not...)

but since you know i'm reacting to a thread--a new thread-about who will replace a show that had its first preview *four days ago* and is being directed by one of the best, i'll continue to wish for more adults in these parts, i guess. 

 

Updated On: 10/11/25 at 10:13 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 10:34pm

I would hope you would, just like everyone else who gave their honest review in the previews thread. Is this thread unnecessary? Sure, all threads are. But many posters have created a "What's next?" thread here for many years. I don't interact a lot with CoffeeBreak, but it seems their intention was not based in pettiness or nastiness, but rather curiosity and discussion. You are the only poster taking offense.

[Jarethan]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 11:38pm

THDavis said: "PipingHotPiccolo said: "Maybe QOV will flop, maybe its really has vapid as so many here have said, but the hostility towards it--the eagerness for it to flop--is unseemly. To start a whole new thread about who will replace a show less than a week into its previews? Are you all this nasty in real life?"

I don’t think this post is at all a celebration of a show’s lack of feasibility. To me, it reads as speculation of theinevitable: another show will go into this theatre, and it seems likely that it’ll be sooner rather than later

No disrespect intended toward the cast and crew of QoV. If it completely turns it around and becomes a smash hit, good for them!


Ironically, I don’t recall anyone talking smack about Real Women Have Curves even when it was obvious it was going to have a short run… almost like more relatable and better constructed shows don’t receive the same animosity when the obvious is on the horizon. I wonder why this show hits different… (sarcasm)"

I don't think they took swipes as RWHC because many were rooting for it to succeed...the little show that could.  It was enjoyable and might have had a chance for a decent run if there had not been such a glut of new musicals opening when it did.

On the other hand, QofV is a lousy show with a vile character at its center.  The Siegels have NO redeemable characteristics.  I have not seen it in NYC, and do not intend to, but I did see it in Boston.  Even with KC playing the lead, I found myself absolutely hating Jackie and questioning why ANYONE would want to make a musical with such a cypher at its center.  With the way this country is going, I just don't think the majority of NY theatregoers want to see a musical glorifying people who are illustratuve of what is wrong with the country.  HAd they gone a different direction and made fun of her character, things might have been different; but celebrating her, a definite no.  

[THDavis]

Posted: 10/11/25 at 11:46pm

I absolutely hear you, Jarethan. 100% agreed. 

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 12:56am

 "I don't think they took swipes as RWHC because many were rooting for it to succeed...the little show that could. It was enjoyable and might have had a chance for a decent run if there had not been such a glut of new musicals opening when it did."

Even in the leanest of springs, REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES does not live to see July.

People I know who saw it told me it was enjoyable but certainly not worthy of a full-price ticket, and most importantly (and unfortunately) in this day and age, it wasn’t a well-known property and lacked an A-list celebrity in its cast. 

[bruceway]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 1:36am

Grease or Hairspray. Just let me dream.

[Sammy232]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 7:48am

bruceway said: "Grease or Hairspray. Just let me dream."

Have to agree - would love a Hairspray revival

[quizking101]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 9:37am

BOM said: "Will Arden be able to recover from two flops in one season?"

If you’re inferring that THE LOST BOYS is going to be a flop even before the first preview, your premise is already on shaky ground.

Michael Arden is one of the best and most inventive up and coming directors of this century, with four nominations and two Tonys for directing in the last 10 years. Every director will have their flops (look at Hal Prince for most of the 1980s). Sometimes even the best of directors can’t make a sculpture from a pile of s#!t.

Even if both shows underperform, I’m sure Arden will remain a hot sought after director for some time.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 9:55am

THDavis said: "CoffeeBreak said: "With Queen Of Versailles irreversibly flopping hard, what's next for the St. James comespring?"

Evita, probably. And for anyone saying they won’t shut down a NYC street to accommodate onlookers… it likely depends on the ticket price, which I imagine will be astronomical in comparison to Nicole’s Sunset."

aren't they holding off on EVITA until next season because of CATS being official for this current season?

[MysteriousLady]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 9:57am

BOM said: "Will Arden be able to recover from two flops in one season?"

Stroman is still getting hired. Arden will be just fine. 

[Strange Lupone]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 10:53am

Kad said: "Sutton Ross said: "No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but its a real bad look."

okay.

no one discuss anything on the discussion board folks.

Haha, right? This person hasn't seen the show obviously but is super mad/sad/pressed/judgmentalthat people are discussing the show and how bad it is? On a message board called Broadway World? Almost as pathetic and atrocious as his grammar, even though he pretends he's a "lawyer." LOLZ."

Seen Audra in any hotel lobbies lately, Sutton? LOLZ."


 

 

I’m STILL laughing. Absolutely epic. And Mutton Sauce refuses to address it. Makes me giggle with glee.

[Huss417]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 12:03pm

Kad said: "Sutton Ross said: "No idea what you mean by "ironically" here since youre highlighting the very point I am making. No one posted about who was taking over the Jones theater while RWHC was *in previews* because it would have been nasty to the point of stupid. I am not saying I think QOV will be a success, or that its a good show--i know no more than anyone else--but we dont even know how the box office is doing yet, so everything being snickered about here is pure speculation. It may be accurate but its a real bad look."

okay.

no one discuss anything on the discussion board folks.

Haha, right? This person hasn't seen the show obviously but is super mad/sad/pressed/judgmentalthat people are discussing the show and how bad it is? On a message board called Broadway World? Almost as pathetic and atrocious as his grammar, even though he pretends he's a "lawyer." LOLZ."

Seen Audra in any hotel lobbies lately, Sutton? LOLZ."

You don't expect Sutton to practice what they preach? They are held to a different standard here than the rest of us.

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 10/12/25 at 12:17pm

quizking101 said: "BOM said: "Will Arden be able to recover from two flops in one season?"

If you’re inferring that THE LOST BOYS is going to be a flop even before the first preview, your premise is already on shaky ground.

Even if both shows underperform, I’m sure Arden will remain a hotsought after director for some time."

He does interesting enough work with revivals that were already wanted because of their strong and loved material, had short original runs in previous iteration or have not been produced in years.

We do wonder his touch with a new musical from scratch. As MHE was built, mainly developed & directed many times prior to Arden; does he have the ability on brand new material which completely different in so many ways - directing the writing over years, for one.  Many more pieces and time.  It's hard to plug and play.   From the Boston run, that was not being proven for us and this Broadway run sounds more so.  We'd prefer more "it'll be good regardless" revivals from Arden rather than new work.  

Updated On: 10/12/25 at 12:17 PM