West Side Story revival?- Page 9

[joevitus]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 8:47pm

inception said: "MemorableUserName said: "https://gothamist.com/2018/09/05/nyc_ballet_lawsuit.php
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Can anyone with half a brain actually believe someone would give permission for nude photographs to be distributed to her co-workers, in her workplace? Really? That's the defense Amansar's supporters are going with: "Maybe he had those women's permission to send her nude photographs to her co-workers!" Really?"

If anything comes out of this, I hope any naive young people reading this might have their eyes opened about how many many many men, no matter how nice they may seem, actually act when they are "with the guys." They view you as nothing more than something to be used & thrown away. Don't expect justice if you get treated badly. You won't get it. Don't trust anyone. Always keep your guard up. Learn self-defense & arm yourself."

What young people should take from this is BE CAREFUL. Because no one's chortling and high-fiving over what happened here, from what I can see. What I'm saying is that if the pics were offered freely, he doesn't constitute a threat to co-workers; if they were taken without permission, then yes he could very much be a threat and he shouldn't be hired.

Young people of both sexes, don't share a naked pic with such a person, and you don't have to worry. No one who might be in WSS with him share any pics with him. And, for everyone, as you can't ever know for sure what happens with a pic you share, make wise decisions. Consider carefully who your sharing what with. Merely common sense.

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Posted: 7/10/19 at 8:52pm

What young people should take from this, is that theres a community willing to help them and not shame the victim.

Pictures being sent and back are normal couple things, when you break that trust and send them to your friends is where the problem is. How dare you shame the victim? she trusted her boyfriend (like most couples in america do!) and was betrayed. You make me sick.

[LuPita2]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 8:56pm

He is sick and clearly illiterate as every single article has stated "pictures and videos were taken without consent or knowledge". Can't fix ignorant members of rape culture.  But, we now know who those posters are, which is important to know for the future.  

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=Lis4cO2R91MS028v6xQ2zA==

Updated On: 7/10/19 at 08:56 PM

[Fetus]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:00pm

_(•_&bull_/ said: "What young people should take from this, is that theres a community willing to help them and not shame the victim.

Pictures being sent and back are normal couple things, when you break that trust and send them to your friends is where the problem is. How dare you shame the victim? she trusted her boyfriend (like most couples in america do!) and was betrayed. You make me sick."

Very well said.

I'm very impressed with the response I've seen to this so far on social media, people are rightfully disgusted and being vocal about it.

[BroadwayNYC2]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:03pm

The mayonnaise is jumping out on this thread. At least they are telling on themselves.

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:06pm

LuPita2 said: "He is sick and clearly illiterate as every single article has stated "pictures and videos were taken without consent or knowledge". Can't fix ignorant members of rape culture. But, we now know who those posters are, which is important to know for the future.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=Lis4cO2R91MS028v6xQ2zA=="

Everyone in this thread acknowledges that the pictures of Alexandra Waterbury were (allegedly) taken without consent, but those photos were sent by Chase Finlay, not Ramasar. It seems like you might be conflating the behavior of the two.

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:21pm

What bizarre and ironic casting when you consider one of the most poignant and hard scenes in the show.

[Elegance101]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:29pm

Luminaire2 said: "What bizarre and ironic casting when you consider one of the most poignant and hard scenes in the show."

Oh Jesus. I forgot about that. I didn't care much about this revival anyway, but this casting makes me pretty sure I have no interest.

And as much as I love most of Rudin's work, keeping Ramasar in Carousel last year and now this casting grosses me out. I'm angry that such a powerful producer who is behind most of the art we see on Broadway is making this kind of statement.

[LuPita2]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:32pm

Everyone in this thread acknowledges that the pictures of Alexandra Waterbury were (allegedly) taken without consent, but those photos were sent by Chase Finlay, not Ramasar. It seems like you might be conflating the behavior of the two.

Sorry, can't say everyone acknowledges something and then say "allegedly". There was a reason Chase has disappeared from Manhattan and ran home to CT and the other men were fired. They found the evidence, so no, there is no allegedly. You should stop defending either monster, and it you had read the complaint, you would know Amar sent pictures of other women without their consent or knowledge. 

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 9:54pm

If the male director and male producers aren't bothered by Ramasar's past behavior towards coworkers, I hope at least all the (very) young women cast in WSS are aware of them.

Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:18pm

LuPita2 said: "Sorry, can't say everyone acknowledges something and then say "allegedly."

Waterbury alleges that Findlay took the photos without her consent. It's a literal allegation, in the sense that it has not been proven in court.

LuPita2 said: "You should stop defending either monster, and it you had read the complaint, you would know Amar sent pictures of other women without their consent or knowledge."

I'm not defending it aside from correcting the misinformation that what Amar did was a crime (it wasn't).

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:23pm

LuPita2 said: "Nope. The "should have known better"defense crap shows how antiquated your thinking is. <>. We have told you, many many times that these photos and videos were taken WITHOUT HER CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE.

Considering we have given you five different articles STATING what he did, it's clear you don't want an answer, since it's already been presented. You just want to continue to say she asked for this."

I would go further: who cares if they were originally taken with her consent or not? To then disseminate those images is disgusting, and legally problematic in more and more states. (someone up top posted that it isn't illegal- thats just flat out wrong, and that you dont know that, tells me you dont know much about this subject).

All that said, its upsetting to also read here statements about how this dude is a predator, and that cast members should be nervous, etc. That implication confuses what he was accused of with a more hysterical (and inaccurate) accusation. Thats the sorta overreach that ALLOWS apologists for the despicable to thrive. 

This dude is a scumbag. Thats reason enough not to hire him. 

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Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:26pm

JDonaghy4 said: "someone up top posted that it isn't illegal- thats just flat out wrong, and that you dont know that, tells me you dont know much about this subject"

What law did he break?

[ukpuppetboy]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:39pm

ctorres23 said: 
“I'm not defending it aside from correcting the misinformation that what Amar did was a crime (it wasn't)."

Personally I think your contributions to this have been spot on. Some responses have definitely (understandably) been clouded by high emotions here but I think you’re to be commended on your distinctions regarding WHO’S behaviour was illegal out of those mentioned and who’s was (as has been presented) immoral, but unfortunately not uncommon in this age.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:40pm

ctorres23 said: "JDonaghy4 said: "someone up top posted that it isn't illegal- thats just flat out wrong, and that you dont know that, tells me you dont know much about this subject"

What law did he break?"

I am not a jury or judge who has heard all the evidence, and its unclear to me if receipt of these images (which is what I think he is credibly accused of, and has not denied in any forum) is illegal. So if you are asking about this case, I can't give you an answer.

But as I am sure you know if you have even the most basic reading comprehension skills, I was saying that such dissemination of sensitive sexual material is, in many circumstances, illegal. Someone posted earlier that it isnt unless the victim did not originally give consent. that is false. I know NY and FL both have laws on the books along those lines and id be shocked if CA didnt as well. The spread of these sorts of laws acknowledges the inherent wrong in doing what was done here. You should, too.

 

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Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:41pm

Even if he didn't take the pictures, he still exchanged another dancer’s nudes.

Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:42pm

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Name-calling isn't necessary.

As I mentioned up thread, revenge porn laws don't apply here because they contain specific intent clauses ("...with intent to cause harm to the emotional, financial or physical welfare of another person..." ) that neither Ramasar's actions nor the other men's actions satisfy.

There is a Harvard Law blog article that discusses this case specifically and how Chase Finlay's actions are not covered by New York's revenge porn laws (or indeed any other state's).

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Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:48pm

It’s still morally terrible. You wouldn't want your nudes getting sent and traded like baseball cards between your coworkers.

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 10:53pm

 

Curious about what these Jonathan Tunick orchestrations are going to sound like compared to the originals?

[ljay889]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 11:00pm

I’m curious as well. Tunick and Gemignani are the only encouraging names involved with this mess.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 11:01pm

I’m curious Of the overall concept. The artwork makes it look like an edgy CW drama but the show is pretty bland on paper.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 11:09pm

ctorres23 said: "<>

Name-calling isn't necessary.

As I mentioned up thread, revenge porn laws don't apply here because they contain specific intent clauses ("...with intent to cause harm to the emotional, financial or physical welfare of another person..." ) that neither Ramasar's actions nor the othermen's actions satisfy.

There is a Harvard Law blog articlethat discusses this case specifically and how Chase Finlay's actions are not covered by New York's revenge porn laws (or indeed any other state's)."

I will say it AGAIN: whether or not he broke this specific statute is beyond my purview (and yours). That isnt what anyone here is discussing. Someone said this sort of thing is patently legal as long as she consented to original photograph. You have now conceded that isnt true, but seem intent on doubling down on the specifics of this case as if anyone here is calling for him to be jailed. You are being obtuse.

And lost in all this: no one, NO ONE, has ever suggested that the accusations are false. So a group of dudes were swapping nude images OF THEIR COWORKERS and texting about how they are "sluts"- this is simply disgusting behavior that should not be rewarded with more high profile roles (that, based on my seeing him in Carousel, he is thoroughly unqualified for). 

 

[Sally Durant Plummer]

Posted: 7/10/19 at 11:18pm

I’ll see anything Ivo does. I’m still kicking myself for missing The Fountainhead when it was at BAM. I hope A Little Life will transfer...

[The Distinctive Baritone]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 1:21am

On another subject...Does anyone else find it odd that some of the Latino characters seem to be played by POC who are not Latino? Given the recent controversy around “passing” and authenticity, this seems odd.

Speaking of “passing,” Isaac Powell could easily play one of the Sharks. This casting is so confusing.

[Sunny11]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 3:16am

Elegance101 said: "Luminaire2 said: "What bizarre and ironic casting when you consider one of the most poignant and hard scenes in the show."

Oh Jesus. I forgot about that. I didn't care much about this revival anyway, but this casting makes me pretty sure I have no interest.

And as much as I love most of Rudin's work, keeping Ramasar in Carousel last year and now this casting grosses me out. I'm angry that such a powerful producer who is behind most of the art we see on Broadway is making this kind of statement."

What if Ramasar was truly regretful of his crime and promised never to do it again and had not been problematic during his time at Carousel?

An effective justice system requires reintegrating reformed criminals.