Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
#0Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 12:53pm
Ok, I recently posted a thread about shows that were succesful even if they got terrible reviews. Thanks to all those who answered. Since it seems that the critics play a big part in the viability of shows, I was just wondering...
Were there shows that, although were beloved by critics, didn't manage to become hits ?
#1re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 12:57pmA couple of musicals that immediately come to mind are 'A Class Act' and 'Amour', the latter was even nominated for Best Musical a few years ago.
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#2re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 1:07pmI think I remember hearing good reviews for "Sweet Smell of Success" a few years ago. . . Marvin Hamlish wrote the music and I believe John Lithgow acctually won a Tony for his performance in it, but the show closed only after a few months. I'm not sure what the whole story was w/ that.
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#3re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 1:42pmHow about PASSION by Sondheim? It won the Tony, ran about 9 months, and lost money. Meanwhile, another show that opened that year, BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, got mediocre reviews and is still running what, 11 years later??
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#4re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 1:55pm
I believe Side Show got good reviews.
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magruder
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#5re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 2:24pm
Amour received mostly dismissive reviews, and with the exception of Clive Barnes, Sweet Smell of Success was panned across the board. A Class Act fared slightly better than Amour, receiving several favorable reviews, but really, no outright raves.
Best example of this that I can think of is She Loves Me, which has received mostly raves in two Broadway productions and two London productions, and has failed every time.
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#6re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 2:26pmDo you mean critically praised?
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#7re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 3:06pmWe need a Theatrical Rotten Tomatoes website!
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
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#8re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 3:13pmWe should! Sum, wanna make it with me?
#9re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 3:16pmSure!
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
VeuveClicquot
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#10re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 3:21pm
Every Sondheim show (that he wrote both music and lyrics for) has closed in the red, with the exceptions of FUNNY THING and NIGHT MUSIC.
And I totally agree, there needs to be a website that contains reviews from shows. There are reference books (found in many libraries) that contain theatrical reviews year-by-year. It would be incredibly useful to have them posted on-line.
#11re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 3:22pmThen we'd expand into cast recordings!
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
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#12re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 4:44pmIf every show that Sondheim has done has closed in the red, with the exception of the two mentioned, how does he continue to get new productions going? Very interesting to hear, I'm not surprised though.
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#13re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 4:47pm
and isn't sondheim supposed to be a great composer?
like the opposite of wildhorn....well, with the same end
#14re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 4:47pmBecause the producers realize that his shows are masterpieces, if not commercially appealing.
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#15re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 4:48pmProbably because people realize his genius and know that his work deserves to be produced. They probably are also praying that "maybe this time!!", the show will become as big of a success as ...FORUM.
#16re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 4:50pmYeah Joshua's right. The Man is a genius.
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#17re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 4:59pmI like Wildhorn a lot better than I do Sondheim
#18re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 5:02pmWell you know what they say: "There’s no accounting for taste".
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#19re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 5:03pm
"and isn't sondheim supposed to be a great composer?"
The amount of tickets sold is in no way related to the quality of the show. Just because a show doesn't find an audience in its original run doesn't mean the show is terrible.
MargoChanning
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#20re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 5:11pm
COMPANY also turned a profit (it ran nearly two years), INTO THE WOODS broke even (also a two year run) and SWEENEY TODD, I believe, broke even on its subsequent naional tour.
Aside from Sondheim, August Wilson is also someone has also received almost universal critical acclaim for work (not to mention two Pulitzers, a Tony and seven NY Drama Critics Circle Awards for Best Play), but other than Fences, none of his nine plays have been profitable.
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Updated On: 1/30/05 at 05:11 PM
Derek
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#21re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 6:17pmi dont think any Sondheim show ever ran more than 1000 performances, am i right? thats sad
#22re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 6:20pmdid caroline or change turn a profit? It was amazing and criticlly acclaimed but seemed to close pretty early.
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#23re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 6:22pmYeah, but I think the Eight Tonys, Best Song Academy Award, Song of the Year Grammy Award and Pulitzer Prize make up for it.
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MargoChanning
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#24re: Shows that were critically appraised but flopped commercially ?
Posted: 1/30/05 at 6:29pmCaroline lost most of its investment (I think it returned about 30% or so).
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