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[SueleenGay]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 11:48am

So, I have a question. What if I donate $1000 and you still don't make enough to get in. Do I get my money back or will that go towards your next vacation.

You just decided to pursue this dream? Well give yourself a couple of years of planning. Why do you have to go right now? Go back to your crappy jobs and start saving and reapply when your finances are more secure.

This seems more like impulse shopping to me.

[Jose]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 12:58pm

Oh my goodness.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:04pm

See what I mean?

[Patronus]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:12pm

I love that this is the OPs dream, yet he didn't know a year ago that he wanted to pursue this "dream". There is a fine line between dreams and whims sir, and you are firmly on the wrong side.

Either way, isn't AMDA sort of like the University of Phoenix of musical theatre schools?

[best12bars]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:25pm

I don't know if I would call it "entitlement," but I would definitely call it "laziness."

If this new dream of yours is less than a year old, that means you've done less than a year's work toward realizing that dream ... and yet your hand comes out to strangers to give you money.

I say get a job or two or three. Find better financing, scholarships, loans, grants. Find a better school to learn your craft. You jumped right to "free" money from strangers twelve months after a nice vacation.

Somewhere along the way pride and a sense of accomplishment have gotten trampled by the prospect of a free ride.

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 01:25 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:33pm

" the prospect of a free ride."

That's where the "entitlement" comes in. I find that some people feel that they are entitled to benefits and privileges at the expense of others.

It trickles all the way down to common human daily behavior. Don't get me started!

[best12bars]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:37pm

"Entitlement," to me, would be if he thought we all somehow owed him the "free ride."

Merely asking for it is just ballsy and lazy (at least to me).

Taking offense to our comments posted here is just ignorance. What kind of a response was he expecting?

[Marianne2]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:37pm

There also is such a thing called community college to start off. Some actually even have theater programs. I know, I'm horrible for even suggesting that. That's like the pond scum of theater programs.

[best12bars]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 1:39pm

^ That's what I'm a little unclear about.

Is his "dream" to be an actor or just to go to this one school? If it's the latter ... why?

EDIT: Personally, I think this is all just a runaway reaction to that Project Kick-Starter website, where anybody with an artistic dream can put hands out for money. I'm not saying some of the causes and people and projects aren't worthy, but there has been a snowball effect ever since it started.

"I have a dream ... here's my idea ... here's where you can send your money!"

I supported two projects early on when the site first launched, and then I was getting 2 or 3 requests a month for help. Instead of working hard toward achieving dreams, people are "panhandling" for them. And it seems to be an early step in the process now.

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 01:39 PM

[winston89]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 2:00pm

For me, it's hard to tell if the OP wants to go to school for theare or if he just wants to go to AMDA. To me, there's a difference. I honestly feel that you don't have to go to a school with name recognition if you want to be in theatre (or anything else for that matter.)

I think that one of my pet peeves with college selection (for studying anything not just theatre) is that people think that if you go to a big name school you will get a better education that if you go to a school that isn't so well known. There is more to a great education than what the college's name is, and I feel that people forget that at times.

Therefor, I think that the OP just wants to go to AMDA. I think that if he were really serious about studying theatre, than he would go to his local community college or somewhere that isn't as expensive (and less of a rip off) than AMDA is.

And, Pal Joey, I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to this being a reaction to project kick starter. I never liked that site to begin with. I felt that it was very similar to panhandling like you said. And, the whole situation with the OP just asking for a handout seems very similar to that, and a little too similar to that for my taste.

[Marianne2]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 2:03pm

Yeah, that is what is confusing.

I do agree that it never ends. Some things I can see, but others I can't. Even things that are not arts related people try to get money as easily as possible. Some people just live off of people feeling sorry for them for horrible things that happen in their lives.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 2:03pm

Well, maybe we should ask to see his resume. If this is his dream, then he most surely he has done SOME sort of acting or theatre prior to this.



And it’s not that I dislike Kickstarter… It started out with some good projects, and now it’s just turned into everyone who has an idea, with their hands out.

It’s the sad fact that this is what the internet had turned into. Any idiot with an internet connection and a computer can now beg, plead and irritate the hell out of you with their opinions. Everyone needs to have their own blog, or web site, just so they can tell the world what they think.

Frankly, I couldn’t care less what 99% of them think, because I’m convinced they are all mildly retarded.

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 02:03 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 2:13pm

In case anyone is keeping score, Nick hasn't gotten any donations at all since he posted on here. All you had to do was forward his plea! Jeez!

[tazber]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 3:16pm

Keep up the good fight, Nick!

[NYadgal]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 5:50pm

So, I agree with every word PJ and After Eight wrote.

I'd offer to help, but I went broke bankrolling some folks a few years back...

So sick of 'takers' and trolls.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 6:23pm

Thing is the OP hasn't thought this through. NYC is one expensive city to live in, he gets the $20K for tuiton, what does he live off of?

I have helpped friends meet tuition and will continue to but for a stranger on the internet? Yeah, right!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 7:09pm

But you could have forwarded it to others and asked them to help!

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 7:17pm

How much time does $19,000 buy? Does it cover the full duration of your course, or will you be back again next year?

In any case, I'm broke too. Sorry, Nick! I will pass the message along to the gents at my club, though.

[cupcake3]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 7:31pm

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 07:31 PM

[SNAFU]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 7:44pm

cupcake, exactly! That article hits the nail on the head. I cannot tell you how many kids I have come to me looking for work straight out of college, demanding a $35 an hour position with absolutely NO on job experience or a desire to actually work. They are to be paid because they feel it is entitled. I cannot tell you how many times I have had people work for me while still claiming unemployment, because they feel they deserve it! Screw that, it is work that gets you anywhere, not entitlement!

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 07:44 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 7:48pm

The article hits the nail on the head. At my last few jobs, you saw examples of that attitude daily by not a few of the employees.

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 07:48 PM

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 8:11pm

I dunno, that article seemed like just another "kids these days don't behave like *I* did at their age" ramble.

"How many times have you stood in the checkout lane of a store, waiting to pay for your groceries, and the cashier and the boy bagging your food are engaged in a conversation or flirtation? They’re totally ignoring you as they slide your purchases over the scanner and stuff them into bags, and the first acknowledgment of your existence is when the cashier announces your total and sticks her hand out for your money."

Really? Maybe Canada's completely different, because I get the same hit or miss retail service from teens as I do from middle aged adults. If anything, I often see younger workers more eager in such jobs, where I imagine middle aged people either resent having to take them, or have worked at a fairly thankless job for way too long.

[cupcake3]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 8:11pm

Updated On: 12/2/12 at 08:11 PM

[SNAFU]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 8:18pm

Eric. I personally wasn't reacting to retail check out posistions, but positions in a professional television/theatre prop/costume shop.
Cupcake, ran into the same example in Crate and Barrel this week end! Made sure I let the manager know as I left the store! Hopefully this holiday temp will be offered a full time job!

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 12/2/12 at 8:25pm

I do think it's a different situation--and I do think there is *some* problem with people expecting to have high paying jobs immediately after leaving post secondary education.

I guess, even though I'm now in my early thirties, I sorta get defensive though when people bring up retail jobs, like the person who wrote that article did. Honestly, I can think of more cases of being completely ignored by some older emplyees in those jobs than younger ones--often with them choosing to instead pay attention to someone older (and presumably more wealthy seeming) than myself. So I think the issue runs both ways.

I listen to talk radio a lot while doing work, and it does make me bristle how many older people call in to shows and complain about the entitled youth of the current young generations. Part of it is because I think what issues there are there, and theere certainly are, are ones that some of the older generations (the baby boomers in particular) have to take some of their own blame for instead of just shaking their heads with blanket blame. The other is that I think it's something older generations have always felt on some level about younger generations (my grandmother has said that back when she was a teenager in the firties and forties she swears she would hear the same thing said about her generation). To blanketly just see this as a generation issue --and so removing yourself from any blame--doesn't deal with anything (and I'm not saying anyone in this thread has been doing that--but I did think the man who wrote that article was.)