LOST Season 3- Page 8

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 3/23/07 at 12:27am

Wasn't that already confirmed?

Or is it one of those we've just realized it has to be, like Jack and Claire being brother and sister?

Loved this episode too, of course. Great acting by Terry Quinn, who hasn't had much of a chance to show his talent.

Good call on "The Man from Tallahassee."

My mom got all excited, saying she wants to find out how Ben was more there but most weren't, and I kind of stopped her and was like...can we EVER really trust Ben?

[peach]

Posted: 3/23/07 at 12:08pm

Allie - I am on board with that completely. Daddy Locke is "The Man From Tallahassee" and also Sawyer. Also, when the son came to visit Locke, he mentioned Daddy Locke was going by the name Adam Seward. "Seward" sounds an awful lot like "Sawyer." Perhaps Daddy Locke was using the same Seward name when he conned Sawyer's mom, and Sawyer, being a little kid at the time, heard it as "Sawyer."

Romantico - that's a good theory. My mom has just gotten into it, watching seasons 1 & 2, and said "it seems they have to face their worst fears on the island" which supports your theory - somehow the island gets into their thoughts and shapes their destiny.

I also wondered if Smokey manifested itself as Daddy Locke (and the horse, and Yemi, and Jack's Dad, etc.), like Smoeky is the island's "vehicle" for getting into your head.

This was probably the best episode of the season. Next week looks crazy good too.
Updated On: 3/23/07 at 12:08 PM

[singingwendy]

Posted: 3/23/07 at 12:44pm

Ok...this was one of those great episodes with a lot of WTF and OMG moments!

I have this sneaking suscpicion that this man is not really Locke's father. I don't know why..but I do. I have to say, that last scene completely caught me off guard.

I LOVED the unexpectedness of Locke's accident. After all the times of watching and going..."is it a car accident? did they hit a nerve during surgery? did he fall down the stairs?" The whole getting thrown out of an 8 story window off guard was awesome!

Now we can be sure Locke's going to be around for a while, because he's still being manipulated and hasn't come to reconciliation. Ben sure is good at manipulating people, isnt' he? He's so creepy. That scence where he promised Jack he'd let his friends go as soon as he left the island? Excellent.

Seems like the only one who is really on to him is Alex. She's already got one foot into rebelling against him and now that she's finding out that her mother may not be dead, and "the others" may be decieving her, it will be interesting to see if she is the one who plans an overthrow of Ben's power

[romantico]

Posted: 3/23/07 at 2:34pm

Lets not forget The smoke monster was able to 'transform'into the image of Echo's dead brother. I thought it was weird that Ben was asking Locke how he felt just before he opened the door. Having said that, isn't Locke the only one who has 'seen the face of the island'? Ben and Locke seem to want the same thing. Both don't want anyone to leave the island. If Ben is so curious about how Locke was cured how come Rose has not come up? Didn't her cancer just 'go away' once she got to the island. if Ben knows all this stuff about everyone else how come he doesn't know/or is concerned about Rose's cancer?

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 3/23/07 at 2:46pm

Well, you can debate whether or not Locke knew it before Alex told him, but by the end of the episode, he knew Ben was happy that Locke exploded the sub. Even if he didn't know for sure, that seemed to be his plan all along, and I don't think Ben really manipulated him into doing it--he would have done it anyway.

Well, Ben doesn't know that Locke knows about Rose's condition, and the Others seem very good at least at keeping the characters' secrets from the other characters. Besides, they certainly know everything about the characters' lives before they got onto the island, but not necessarily everything that's happened since they've gotten there. So maybe Ben doesn't know that Rose's cancer was cured.

What do you mean "seen the face of the island?" It sounds like something he's said before, but refresh my memory.

I too agree that I was very pleased with the reason for Locke being in a wheelchair. I thought it had something to do with Hurley's shaking-the-thing almost killing people, but this was fine. It's really sad when you remember that Locke helped his father escape/get away. It seems the one thing he never learns, even on the island, is to not be so quick to trust people...or islands in this case...or even faith. Maybe that's what he finally has to learn--he can't always trust his own faith.

[romantico]

Posted: 3/23/07 at 3:44pm

In season one Locke said 'He saw the face of the island.....and it was beautiful!' The smoke monster came face to face with Locke and did nothing as Locke just stared it down. Why haven't we seen the smoke monster or the loud tearing through the jungle noise it makes for awhile? Isn't it odd that 'Ben wished for a surgeon to cure him' and then one fell out of the sky? Even though Ben has spent his life on the island I sometimes think he has child like mannerisms. Is it possible Ben has had aged faster than his years? Also, we haven't seen any children other than the stewardness confronting Jack a few episodes back. We see swing sets and hear them talk about children, but we really haven't seen any. Walt was taken and they seemed fascinated with him. I think Claire's baby is the key to alot of whats going on by the way.

Check out this site. I check it every Thursday morning and have discovered so many clues I have missed!

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com

Updated On: 3/24/07 at 03:44 PM

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 11:23am

Thoughts on last night's episode?

[SamIAm]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 2:54pm

I have watched LOST since Day 1 and was a big Alias fan too. I have to say, though, that after several years of mystery, many viewers are falling away because they are really not getting ANY answers to any mysteries. The writers swear they will answer some questions this year, but I haven't seen anything so far. The episode last night was interesting and the bit about the new and improved Sawyer was pretty funny, but the return of the black cloud just makes you remember that you don't know what the heck is going on 90% of the time and that can be frustrating if you NEVER get an answer.

Locke went with the Others? Hmmm.
Juliette was 'left behind' OR is she going back to the camp as a spy?

Sigh

[Allie]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 2:57pm

My money's on Juliet being a spy or something like that. I don't think they left her behind.

[jasonf]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 3:20pm

SamIAm - I really can't deal with that "we get no answers" complaint any more. No, we're NOT getting the answers we want - because that would mean the end of the show. We're getting little tastes of answers. We're MEANT to try to figure it out and speculate and wonder - that's what makes the show so great. I wouldn't keep watching, being SO hooked on the show, if they just gave up the ballgame right now and told us everything. I've said it since the beginning and I continue to believe that the producers of the show have an over-arching game plan. They know where this thing is going and what the end results will be. They know what they can give us and not spoil too much. If you watch closely, there ARE answers given - we know so much more about the island and what's going on than we did at the start of the series, at the start of LAST season, at the start of THIS season - not every episode, but most of them, give us little bits of information that, when incorporated with everything else we know, continues to fill in the puzzle. We WILL get the answers - eventually - I for one am enjoying the ride and enjoy trying to figure out what's going on. So many things are spoon fed to us in the media today, so many shows are so predictable, that it's totally refreshing to have something where we're NOT just given the answer, and where it's NOT so obvious what's happening.

[peach]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 3:47pm

^^ What jasonf said. The suspense is what makes LOST so much fun (for me anyway).

There's no way Juliet was left behind. The Others planted her there to infiltrate the Losties (exactly why, I'm not sure just yet). In any case, I believe Juliet is NOT to be trsuted. I think Sayid can probably get some answers out of her.

I am so curious to know what's going on with Locke as well. Very, very odd for him to leave all of the losties behind like that. It's just no his style.

We've been seeing a lot of Sawyer lately. I wonder if his character is going to become more significant/meaningful in the grand scheme of things. Maybe when he meets up with Daddy-Locke (who is the real Sawyer, I think).





Updated On: 4/5/07 at 03:47 PM

[jasonf]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 4:21pm

peach - I agree Locke's dad is probably "Sawyer." That scene with Locke was just WEIRD. I read somewhere we don't get to see the impact of Locke seeing his dad for another few episodes - but that's going to be a BIG clue to what's going on - HOW Locke changed and why -- there's some big answers coming!

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 7:06pm

Yesterday's ep was such a straight boy's fantasy. Mudwrestlin', handcuffs, Kate going Thelma & Louise, blah blah blah...

I kept waiting for giant polaroids to fall from the sky after Smokey Monster did its flash thing.

[caitiesus1522]

Posted: 4/5/07 at 8:23pm

Jason enjoyed it.

And then I hit him

[singingwendy]

Posted: 4/6/07 at 10:31am

Yea! We got to see Smokey again! And how interesting that Ben and his group dont' have any idea what it is.....backing up that idea that they weren't the first ones there.

I'm kind of torn about Juliet. On one hand, she seems to actually be shunned, and we know that they were ready to kill her before. She was ready to leave the island (or so she thought). So maybe they DID leave her behind. But then I think about how she had the key to the handcuffs, and how she mentioned that Ben loves mind games. Then I totally think she's a spy. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Also, does anyone know if 'the numbers" have anything to do with the number of people who survived in the crash and are part of the "losties' group? There seems to have been a pattern that when someone dies, they gain someone new. Boone died, Aaron was born. Shannon died, they got Anna Lucia. And then all the "extra" people died.....Eko, and Libby. I'm wondering if this is similar. The "others" took Locke, so we get Juliet.

I've decided that Hurley is definitely my favorite on the show this season. He's really become the "heart" of the survivors. This plot line with him convincing Sawyer to make nice with everyone was wonderful. (Although I think Sawyer still has a LONG way to go with Sun!)

[caitiesus1522]

Posted: 4/6/07 at 12:07pm

Or maybe Juliet is not a spy because we all think she is!

[DBillyP]

Posted: 4/6/07 at 12:33pm

What Jason said.

Lizzie, I thought the same thing. As Kate and Juliet started to fight, I immediately thought, "Awright! Chick on chick!"

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 4/6/07 at 12:43pm

Hurley has always been my favorite character, and since his episode, I have thoroughly enjoyed all of the Sawyer-Hurley interaction. I watch most episodes with 2 good friends of mine, and lately I've been enjoying most of the recent episodes more than them (barring Locke's ep, which we all loved) because I've been loving all the Hurley-Sawyer-sometimes Jin stuff.

Yeah, the guy I was watching with pointed out all the female wrestling and finally we were like...what's with all the mud this episode?

It's hard to say with Juliet. On the one hand, I keep in mind what Ben said the episode before...find out what they're attached to...Jack is becoming attached to Juliet, so it makes sense. On the other hand, Juliet was almost killed by the others, wanted to kill Ben, obviously has feelings for them, plus must feel some degree of loyalty to Jack since he prevented her death. Would she really agree to be a spy?

And what WAS the point of having Kate and Juliet handcuffed in the middle of the jungle if they would just walk back, get Jack and Sayid, and leave?

And right away we were like, okay let's make a whole big deal about Sawyer being the new leader only to have Jack return next episode. Is it some sort of foreshadowing that Sawyer will take Locke's place as the other-leader to Jack? Will they work together or fight a lot?

Also, do we think Sun told Jin what Sawyer did to her? She claimed she wouldn't because he would kill him but the way he stared at him at the beginning of the ep...I don't know...

The numbers theory is a good one, but at least at this point it doesn't ultimately fit. The others-Shannon trade actually fits now because Bernard is the only surviving Tallie, but no one left for the addition of Desmond...if you view it as Echo died and Desmond came, that means you still had 2 others for the one death of Shannon. And do Nikki and Paolo count in this theory? Either way, the count is uneven...unless they plan to even it out soon.

And good call, here's hoping Sawyer meets daddy Locke and realizes...but then again, he likely won't because he hid under the bed when it all happened right? Or was that when his parents fought? Either way, it's hard to say if he would recognize him or if daddy Locke would recognize Sawyer.

Once again, do we know for a fact that daddy Locke is the real Sawyer, or do we just infer it? It's impossible to keep track!

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 4/8/07 at 9:44pm

Once again, do we know for a fact that daddy Locke is the real Sawyer, or do we just infer it? It's impossible to keep track!

Nothing has ever been said about who the real/original/not-shrimp-guy Sawyer really is.

The numbers theory is a good one, but at least at this point it doesn't ultimately fit. The others-Shannon trade actually fits now because Bernard is the only surviving Tallie, but no one left for the addition of Desmond...if you view it as Echo died and Desmond came, that means you still had 2 others for the one death of Shannon. And do Nikki and Paolo count in this theory? Either way, the count is uneven...unless they plan to even it out soon.

I don't think that ever worked out originally anyway, since Sun and Jin weren't in the show until Yunjin Kim auditioned (for Kate!), when they created a character for her.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 4/8/07 at 10:23pm

I thought that episode was one of the best this season (or maybe I love Kate-centered episodes a bit too much). I just wish they gave us a clue as to why they all seem to be connected. Now, we found out that Kate was helped by Sawyer's ex-lover and that he has a child. Why are all these people connected somehow?
Why is it that people think Locke's father is Sawyer's father? I completely forgot.
I believe the reason Locke turned was because of what they said in the previous episode, how someone we had come to trust was going to turn out to be a different person. Or maybe that's not coming till Season 4. Either way, great episode, focused on different characters on the island like it used to at the beginning of the series, and it was fun to watch.

[Lorelai]

Posted: 4/9/07 at 11:36am

"Now, we found out that Kate was helped by Sawyer's ex-lover and that he has a child. Why are all these people connected somehow?
Why is it that people think Locke's father is Sawyer's father? I completely forgot."

We already knew Sawyer had a child. We found out in "Every Man for Himself" (Sawyer's last flashback episode when he was in jail). Cassidy came to visit him and told him about his daughter.

I haven't heard anyone express that they think Locke's father is Sawyer's father but it seems to be going around that Locke's father was the original con man named Sawyer (from whom Sawyer took his name), he was the man who seduced Sawyer's mother when he was a child and led to his father killing his mother and then himself.

[RENTingFAME]

Posted: 4/9/07 at 11:44am

Obviously the most important thing we have learned is that the smoke can't go through invisible electrical current walls.

Is anyone else wondering if we're going to see Nikki and Paolo again, since they're not actually dead (although perhaps by now they are)?

[Lorelai]

Posted: 4/10/07 at 11:37am

Actually I think the fact that the smoke monster can't go through the sonic barrier may be a good clue to what it is somewhere down ther line. You may want to check out the article below.
Sonic Barrier

[caitiesus1522]

Posted: 4/11/07 at 10:59pm

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Ok if you say that they don't give answers...I think you are wrong.

We found out what they were doing to Claire and why

We saw the communications capibilities they had

We saw how they got all the information about the Losties

We got to see Juliet leave Sawyer and Sayid speechless

AND we got to see it was a plan and how it was planned. And they set it up for her to rebel against Ben and the Others. What will happen in a week????

And all this in one of the best episodes of the season. And I actually liked Jack again for the first time all season practically!

I love this show!

[Mandi Moo]

Posted: 4/11/07 at 11:07pm

Oh man...such a good episode. I don't even know where to begin. I can't wait to listen to Jay and Jack tomorrow.

I still really like Juliet for some reason.