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Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
#50Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 4:08pm
I thought-WOW--this will unleash lots of nasty comments but was pleasantly surprised to read so many intelligent thoughts and differing ideas about 'simple' fairy stories.
I am even more curious now to see how the general public will respond to this Disney musical morality tale.
#51Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 4:10pm
Fantod - I find that the majority of LaChiusa's works really need to be viewed fully in context to really appreciate them. The cast recordings of Hello Again and Marie Christine both lack quite a bit of the score and how the score works in tandem with the dialogue. Hello Again is a far more richer and complex piece than what is presented on the recording. And while I can understand how some may find Marie Christine cold, in person, I found the experience electrifying with one of the most vocally thrilling performances I've seen in a musical. I really liked a production of See What I Wanna See in Chicago, though I found the book for the first act problematic. And having just seen The Wild Party in Chicago, I was floored. I always though the score ingenious, but seeing how it all fit together was astonishing. And I think it really belongs in a smaller space to make it more emotionally effective and compelling. I consider both Marie Christine and The Wild Party to be the first two great works of musical theatre in the 21st century.
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#52Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 4:16pmIt's been over 20 years since I saw the theater production of 'Into the Woods' so maybe I've forgotten things, but I thought 'morally disgusting' was the entire point? Building on the cautionary tales of Children's Stories & Fables, Sondheim et al, took them to the next step, displaying the ugly side of humanity, fully?
#53Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 4:37pmwow henrikegerman. Ive never really thought of it that way. you are right. thankyou for giving me a different prosepective.
#54Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 4:56pmOf all the stupid threads that have ever been on this board, this is right up there with the stupidest.
#55Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 5:19pm
@Jordon Don't know how this is the most "stupidest" but okay.
Honestly I don't think I'll ever agree with After Eight on many things and sure he/she has been downright awful at times, but at least he/she knows when to agree to disagree, for example I talked about how much I really liked CINDERELLA but he/she doesn't agree with that, loving the original more. So there you have it we learned to agree to disagree.
It happens sometimes with all of us so this isn't anything out of the ordinary.
Updated On: 11/13/14 at 05:19 PM
#56Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 5:22pm"Giants in the Sky" pretty strongly implies that the Giant's Wife was super nice to Jack, but her husband was possibly going to eat him. So. Just putting that out there.
#57Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 5:22pmFor a stupid thread it has provoked some very interesting responses
henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#58Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 5:28pm
I actually don't think the thread is stupid.
When I first saw Into the Woods I felt morally troubled by the resolution. But at once I understood that that precise reaction was intended and began to appreciate just how brilliantly realized and profoundly demanding this libretto is.
But not everyone agreed. The fact remains that the reason why many people so often objected to the second act of the show is that it asks a great deal more intellectually from the audience than the first act (which as it is not free from its own complex object lessons) might suggest it is going to ask.
The effect is for many a jarring one.
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#59Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 5:39pm
Speaking of INTO THE WOODS, I have always found the whole thing fascinating musically and dramatically, The Witch herself an interesting character of her own, and James Lapine's great book that is dark but I feel complete and happy at the end though despite the tragedy that happens in Act 2 which is an astounding accomplishment to me.
Why isn't the main four characters in FOLLIES (except for Sally) as interesting as the characters in INTO THE WOODS? I still don't get it.
#60Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 5:55pmI don't understand how people don't like act 2. it's much better than act 1. Act 1 is funny but act 2 is brilliant! I see that now.
#61Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 6:39pmI didn't read every single post here that carefully so I hope I am not repeating someone else's post, but this is what I am curious about. Into The Woods in not now, nor has it ever been, a musical that children would understand.. or even enjoy. I wonder who many people are going to take their kids on Christmas to the new Disney movie and be disappointed that it's not for children at all. Or... did they change it so much that it now is for children? I doubt that possible.
#62Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 6:48pm^ What I said/thought in not so many words.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 10/13/03
#63Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 7:12pmI was one of the first to chime in, and though I took a strong stand, didn't feel the discussion inappropriate. A useful topic with any show: the take away, the impressions left with an audience to weigh, debate (consciously and un-) as they decide and define the lessons offered, if any, or just how any entertainment made them feel. As someone who's been at this board almost since its creation, I can say with certainty: we've endured stupid threads; this is not among them.
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#64Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 7:22pmI'm pretty sure the OP is trolling.
#65Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 7:54pmExactly. Which is why this is a stupid thread.
#66Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 8:14pm
Jack stole because he needed it. Then he stole more even though he didn't need it, and that was bad but not that bad. The male Giant was going to eat him, so killing him was self defense.
In the second act, the Giant's wife is going to destroy and kill people until she gets Jack to kill personally. Most of the characters acted how they thought was right. The Steward and the Witch thought Jack's Mother and Jack should be killed to save everyone else. Other characters, like the Baker, his Wife, Jack, Red, and Cindy thought the more right thing was to kill the Giant's wife, this time to save everyone INCLUDING Jack.
I feel that was the right choice because Jack killed the Giant in self defense and the Giant's Wife was going to kill him when Jack wasn't going to do anything to her.
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Wildcard
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/21/06
#67Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 8:19pmDon't forget, the original Grimm's fairy tales were very dark and gruesome. They have been sanitized in retellings but they had adult themes in the beginning.
#68Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 8:23pm
The lyrics are:
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Only just when you've made
A friend and all,
And you know she's big
But you don't feel small,
Someone bigger than her
Comes along the hall
To swallow you for lunch.
And you heart is lead
And your stomach stone
And you're really scared
Being all alone...
And it's then that you miss
All the things you've known
And the world you've left
And the little you own-
The fun is done.
You steal what you can and run.
And you scramble down
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So as we can see Jack clearly was going to steel anyway. Kindness or not from the giants, his intention was to steal. and he says a friend was going to eat him. It doesn't say for certain if it was the husband. Maybe the giants have have kids or a dog.
#69Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 9:04pm
Yes, steal to survive. At first.
And we know from the rest of the show (and the original fairy tale!)it was the male Giant who was going to eat him who Jack killed in self defense.
Updated On: 11/14/14 at 09:04 PM
Showface
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
#70Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/13/14 at 9:05pm
None of the characters are completely innocent...all of the characters had some "morally grey" moments....
Look at the lyrics of No One is Alone and Your Fault...this becomes obvious...
#71Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 1:54amTroll or not a troll,[who cares] at least this thread has got people discussing a certain element of a very ambiguous musical theatre and soon to be film, production.
After Eight
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#72Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 5:54am
"Into The Woods in not now, nor has it ever been, a musical that children would understand.. or even enjoy. I wonder who many people are going to take their kids on Christmas to the new Disney movie and be disappointed that it's not for children at all."
There you have it. And that's what makes this piece especially odious.
Fantod- Let yourself be guided by your own experience when you first arrived here. Think of who treated you cordially and with respect, no questions asked, from the get go. Then think of those who belittled you and heaped false accusations upon you. You-- we all --- can draw the appropriate conclusions.
Many newcomers to this board have received a similar welcome from the self-appointed guardians of the gates here. Unlike you, they just upped and left. Which is too bad, really, since they could have provided us with fresh insights and new points of view that we desperately need.
#73Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 7:42am
"I'm pretty sure the OP is trolling."
Yes, that much seems clear.
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#74Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 7:44am
You have met every fresh insight or differing opinion with derision and condescension. Regardless of how respectfully they are expressed.
In fact your entire persona on this board is anti anything even resembling fresh or new.
Which you pride yourself on. Over and over and over again.
Then you go and write this:
Which is too bad, really, since they could have provided us with fresh insights and new points of view that we desperately need.
One must conclude that you are bi-polar, or more likely, senile.
....but the world goes 'round
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