BAT OUT OF HELL Will Play 8 Weeks At NY City Center In 2019- Page 4

[Loopin’theloop]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 3:51pm

g.d.e.l.g.i. said: "Loopin’theloop said: "They toured with many original Meatloaf alumni in the pit, throughout the UK - I don’t know about over here."

Unless I've missed something, I have counted no members of the Neverland Express, in the programme or any of the show's press. (All of the most recent Meat Loaf alumni, incidentally, are busy with their own Loaf-a-like act, which you can learn about here. We'll see which show lasts longer.)

"The story, script, direction and acting kinda have to be seen to be believed"

Ain't that the truth. *grimace*"

That’s interesting. To be honest I would never know otherwise but that’s what someone involved in the show told me, perhaps there have been session musicians that have played with him (is that a thing or is it the same core of musicians always?) maybe it was just a big fat lie!

[HogansHero]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 3:59pm

Sondheimite said: "I feel terrible for the cast/crew who now are out of work/PAYCHECKS.

Cohl doesn't have to worry about how his bills will be paid for the next year because he's a very wealthy man.... the cast/crew does."

As I said above, this mystifies me. There is plenty to criticize Cohl about but that cast and crew were enriched for a few months. On what planet is that "cruel" ? Better to leave them unemployed for MORE weeks this year? 

Where are the brain cells around here? I am just in awe of the dearth.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 5:14pm

tourboi said: "Well some people prefer touring. "

Yes, and now perhaps this mindset will now change, but people view tours as reliable work, whereas a (new) Broadway show is risky. 

[Sondheimite]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 5:21pm

HogansHero said: "Sondheimite said: "I feel terrible for the cast/crew who now are out of work/PAYCHECKS.

Cohl doesn't have to worry about how his bills will be paid for the next year because he's a very wealthy man.... the cast/crew does."

As I said above, this mystifies me. There is plenty to criticize Cohl about but that cast and crew were enriched for a few months. On what planet is that"cruel" ? Better to leave them unemployed for MORE weeks this year?

Where are the brain cells around here? I am just in awe of the dearth."

Understand the situation you speak on before you speak on it, lil bub.  

[Kad]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 5:26pm

Touring in something like Hamilton or Phantom is one thing. You'd have that job for as long as they'll have you. And those are the sort of shows that tour these days- shows that are essentially sure bets, with a marquee title or a Best Musical Tony.

But opening something like Bat Out of Hell on the road? That is just a major, major gamble.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 5:45pm

I guess I'm confused about touring money. Like, wouldn't it be the venues that take the hit? Instead of the producers of the show? Didn't they already have their venues lined up, etc, so is it more like "we estimate to make THIS amount of money for this show," bit turns out tickets weren't being sold, so the theaters pulled out? Or how does that all work.

[VotePeron]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 5:59pm

...what the hell? Back on at City Center:

https://www.broadway.com/buzz/193914/meat-loaf-musical-bat-out-of-hell-postpones-north-american-tour/

If it completes the complete run at City Center, I will be shocked. The cast should get new jobs and get as far away from this as possible.

[Scarlet Leigh]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 6:26pm

It was never canceled at City Center? I mean since new broke earlier, ever article I ready was specific that it was just the tour "postponed" but that City Center was still on.

[Sondheimite]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 6:29pm

lol unless they're under such a iron clad contract that they'll never get out of it.... there is NO WAY the current cast does City Center.

No.

WAY.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 7:18pm

Sondheimite said: "Understand the situation you speak on before you speak on it, lil bub."

Enlighten me. I'm all ears. LOL

P.S. When have you known me not to?

[seaweedjstubbs]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 8:07pm

It would've absolutely been better for the cast and crew to have never booked this show in the first place. It's not just about a paycheck. Several people gave up their apartments or found sublets for the length of the tour. Some left currently running Broadway shows. If they'd never been employed by this show, their lives would've remained the same. Some may have found other work that they turned down to do this tour. Make no mistake about it - their lives would be better if they'd never been involved in this mess. I don't see how anyone could not understand that.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 8:34pm

"I don't see how anyone could not understand that." 

I'll explain it: some of us live in reality, and some live in fantasy. If and when you join the former, it'll all make sense to you. 

[seaweedjstubbs]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 8:52pm

Having sympathy for people is living in fantasy? Cool, good to know.

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 9:08pm

You’re being ridiculous, HogansHero. Going out on tour usually causes a huge shake up in one’s life. When I did it I gave up my apartment and put my whole life in storage. I would have been financially shattered if what happened here had happened to me. Read Bradley Dean’s post if you haven’t.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 9:25pm

Yeah but had this not have happened, it would have been more advantageous for them to take the tour. This should have been a tiered tour to start anyway. If things like Hello Dolly aren’t going out production, theh the producers were just naive.

[Sondheimite]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 9:29pm

HogansHero said: ""I don't see how anyone could not understand that."

I'll explain it: some of us live in reality, and some live in fantasy. If and when you join the former, it'll all make sense to you."

Excuse me, little guy.

Do you work in the arts?

Have you ever been an actor on Broadway or on national tour?
Are you close with anyone who has?

Do you know anything about how this works or do you just like it when you see your fingers make sentences on the light up screen?  

[Elegance101]

Posted: 11/2/18 at 10:05pm

It’s not even that I disagree with what HogansHero is saying; I just don’t know what it is he’s trying to say. Are you saying the producers didn’t mess up here? That actors being suddenly out of a job isn’t bad? Are you just trying to start something?

This is not good. Everyone made some money for the past two months, yes, but they put their entire lives on hold for a year-long national tour. They have to figure out where to live now. They won’t have a steady, $2,000/week paycheck for the next year after being told they would. That’s horrible. Stop trying to start an argument about this, like you always have to. If you thrive off of this kind of petty drama, evaluate yourself.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 12:28am

@elegance not saying any of those things.  

@Sondheimite (what's up with the little guy thing? am I supposed to feel small?) To answer you.

Yes I do, my entire adult life.

No I haven't.

Yes I have. (I've had them end up on my sofa for months too.)

Yes I do (and from the sound of it, a lot more than you do.)

I can't answer the last question cuz I don't know what a light up screen is.

 

[antonijan]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 12:43am

#DoNotCancelBatMusical

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 12:52am

antonijan said: "#DoNotCancelBatMusical"

Yeah. Cuz this is totally how this works and next thing we’ll see a kickstarter page to get the tour to keep going.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 2:26am

Well, since there's no tour to discuss and Ellen Foley was mentioned above by our German friend, can anybody tell me why Ellen Foley is not credited anywhere on the album, cassette or CD of BAT OUT OF HELL? I recognized her voice because I was a fan of a TV show she did with Debbie Allen when I was a teen and I saw her in the pre-Broadway INTO THE WOODS in San Diego. At first hearing, I thought I was mistaken, but over time I nearly tore the album sleeve apart looking for some mention of her name.

Has the omission ever been discussed publicly? Is there some legend known to Steinman fans?

I wonder how many people assume it is Karla (Mrs. Robbie Benson) DeVita on the recording because she did the videos and the tour?

[oncemorewithfeeling2]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 9:38am

They’re still advertising this as beginning on Wednesday in Detroit, which just poor on the part of local producers and the tour producers.

And I want to give Bradley Dean a freakin’ hug. It feels like he’s becoming one of broadway’s unluckiest guys—really, really talented, willing to take chances, and not to mention a genuinely good guy.

[g.d.e.l.g.i.]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 11:41am

GavestonPS said: "Well, since there's no tour to discuss and Ellen Foley was mentioned above by our German friend, can anybody tell me why Ellen Foley is not credited anywhere on the album, cassette or CD of BAT OUT OF HELL? I recognized her voice because I was a fan of a TV show she did with Debbie Allen when I was a teen and I saw her in the pre-Broadway INTO THE WOODS in San Diego. At first hearing, I thought I was mistaken, but over time I nearly torethe album sleeve apart looking for some mention of her name.

Has the omission ever been discussed publicly? Is there some legend known to Steinman fans?

I wonder how many people assume it is Karla (Mrs. Robbie Benson) DeVita on the recording because she did the videos and the tour?"

Are you sure she's not credited? Because I've pored over several editions of that album, and I'm pretty sure she is, albeit not prominently. (She's sort of lumped in with the group of musicians listed after each of the songs.)

[HogansHero]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 11:56am

It is no secret and I am pretty sure she is credited somewhere as g.d.e.l.g.i. says. It's a pretty well known thing that she is singing. DeVita is lip-synching on the video. Maybe she had a schedule conflict. She was Sheila in Hair around that time.

[g.d.e.l.g.i.]

Posted: 11/3/18 at 12:16pm

Ellen had her own career stuff going on, yes (3 Girls 3 which Gaveston mentioned, the Hair revival which HogansHero brought up). But the album was already done and dusted (and being shuffled to various labels) by spring 1977 (it would eventually be released that fall), so there wasn't exactly a scheduling conflict. As I understand it, off the back of Bat, Cleveland International offered her a solo deal, and she wasn't all that keen on joining Meat on the road and only being showcased in certain numbers. Karla DeVito (with an 'o', if you please :P ) stepped in, and was a better fit for the stage show by all accounts.