Broadway Star Joined: 3/10/19
veronicamae said: "Is Jasmine the only Best Actor/Actress in a Musical performer NOT performing? I haven't cross-checked. If she's not the only one, this argument is COMPLETELY moot.
If she is the only one, it makes it feel icky and unfair, but again, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Sometimes there are great performances in subpar shows. It's not deeper than that."
The only other one who wouldn't be performing is James Monroe Iglehart for A Wonderful World, but that show closed several months ago. When you go into Supporting Actor/Actress territory, then you also include Brooks Ashmanskas for Smash, which has also been mentioned as a show that allegedly approached the Tonys for a performing spot and were turned down. (This also includes Gracie Lawrence for Just in Time and Justina Machado for Real Women Have Curves, both of whom will now be performing with their shows being added to the lineup.)
The only other musical acting nominees whose show is not performing are James Monroe Iglehart and Brooks.
But these performances have historically been tied to the best production categories, not best performance categories. (If it were up to me, I wouldn't be putting Just in Time or RWHC in there either, to keep it fair). There is not a feasible way to ensure all 20+ performance nominees get a chance to be highlighted in a performance on the broadcast. I would have to imagine that quite a few nominees won't even be highlighted in their own production's performance.
veronicamae said: "Is Jasmine the only Best Actor/Actress in a Musical performer NOT performing? I haven't cross-checked. If she's not the only one, this argument is COMPLETELY moot.
If she is the only one, it makes it feel icky and unfair, but again, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Sometimes there are great performances in subpar shows. It's not deeper than that."
She’s the only nominee for lead actress in a musical not performing.
I think that's a weak argument. Where was the outrage when Dorian Harewood and Maryann Plunkett were nominated in Lead last year and didn't perform? There's only gonna ever be a few in any given year because often it lines up to some degree with Musical or Revival nominees.
kdogg36 said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "Now who knows the reasoning for picking RWHC over Boop but it is what it is"
It seems logical to me:Real Women Have Curves(likeParadise Square)was nominated for Best Score. That seems relevant, as itwas the main justification for pushing forStereophonicto have a slot last year."
Why would score take precedent over showing off a best choreography nomination (which Boop has a very solid shot at winning) or best costumes nomination (which it has a very solid shot at winning) or best leading actress (which is has a long shot but not crazy chance of winning)? The RWHC score is nice but I will be FLOORED if it wins best score on Sunday.
Not trying to be snarky, I'm asking genuinely. Taking out costumes and actress, why would score override choreography when it comes to showcasing a splashy production number at the Tonys? Especially one that (presuming they'd do at least part of "Where Is Betty") has been going viral on social and seems to be appreciated even by the Boop haters?
ACL2006 said: "The Tony admins literally turned down $300k each from BOOP & SMASH to not let them perform for about 2 minutes. Insane."
So then why is RWHC performing and Just in Time? Late to the game here! Do we really need the Broadway Inspirational Singers to perform over a Broadway show? This is about the best of Broadway not some choir nobody cares about singing. They would not be missed if they allocated that slot to a show!
I’ve been rooting for Nicole, but at this point, it would serve them right if Jasmine won after not being allowed to perform.
JudyDenmark said: "Why would score take precedent over showing off a best choreography nomination (which Boophas a very solid shot at winning) or best costumes nomination (which it has a very solid shot at winning) or best leading actress (which is has a long shot but not crazy chance of winning)?"
I don't have an answer for that; I'm just pointing out that it's in line with decisions about Tony performances in recent years.
JSquared2 said: "pablitonizer said: "I'm a little surprised RWHC is actually perfoming tbh.I wonder how much money producers have put to perform? The show has beenhemorrhaging money for months, even giving away tickets to the latin america communityand now a Tony performance?I don't get where all that money is coming from...
Barry and Fran Weissler are the producers. They produced CHICAGO. 'Nuff said.
Nuff said yea but the Weisslers are the cheapest producers on Broadway!
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Broadway Star Joined: 3/10/19
Mr. Wormwood said: "I think that's a weak argument. Where was the outrage when Dorian Harewood and Maryann Plunkett were nominated in Lead last year and didn't perform? There's only gonna ever be a few in any given year because often it lines up to some degree with Musical or Revival nominees."
Ok this made me curious about which shows got to perform after not being nominated for Best Musical or Revival, so I went back over the past 10 years to take a look:
2016: On Your Feet - 1 nomination, for Best Choreography (also notably, Hamilton performed twice - their full performance of Yorktown and the finale performance of The Schuyler Sisters)
2017: War Paint - 4 nominations, 2 for Best Actress, 1 for Best Scenic Design, 1 for Best Costume Design; Bandstand - 2 nominations, for Best Choreography and Best Orchestrations
2018: Summer: The Donna Summer Musical - 2 nominations, for Best Actress and Best Featured Actress
2019: Choir Boy - 4 nominations, for Best Play, Best Actor, Best Sound Design, and Best Choreography (notably a play that performed, and was not added after backlash like Stereophonic); The Cher Show - 3 nominations, for Best Actress, Best Costume Design, and Best Lighting Design
2020/21: no, The Lightning Thief did not perform
2022: no other shows performed, and Caroline, Or Change (which was nominated) also did not perform
2023: A Beautiful Noise - 0 nominations
2024: Stereophonic - 13 nominations (notably had to be added to the broadcast in a truncated performance after backlash); Gutenberg (which was nominated) also did not perform
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"binau said: "It's obvious why they chose Just in Time - is that a real question? Most obviously Jonathan Groff is a Tony-award winning Star with a recognisable face and name and they are trying to convince people to watch the Tonys, which always struggle for ratings. He also is singing 'the great American songbook' that could be more tolerable to audiences than new work.'Just in Time' is doing STELLAR business and will be open for an indefinite period of time so it's a good marketing spot for the show. Everyone wins.
Just for the record: Among all the new Broadway musicals this season, ''Just in Time'' has the highest-average ticket price: over $200. It's grossing over $1.2 million at Circle in the Square, and ever since its first preview in late March, EVERY performance has been sold out. Jonathan Groff , last year's Tony-winning actor, has really proven his drawing power and popularity. And even though ''Just in Time'' didn't get a nomination for Best Musical, it racked up 6 Tony nominations, which is even 2 more than Best Musical nominee ''Operation Mincemeat.'' Finally, don't underestimate how many fans, young and old, love the legendary legacy of Bobby Darin's pop music.
Matt Rogers said: "I’ve been rooting for Nicole, but at this point, it would serve them right if Jasmine won after not being allowed to perform."
I'm still voting for Nicole.
From reddit: "Cast Member here- the Tonys asked us to perform, and our lead producer basically told them to f*** off, he refuses to shell out the money and considers the telecast a scam for productions. We will not be performing no matter what."
Your choice whether or not to take at face value. Just passing it along.
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binau said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "It's obvious why they chose Just in Time - is that a real question? Most obviously Jonathan Groff is a Tony-award winning Star with a recognisable face and name and they are trying to convince people to watch the Tonys, which always struggle for ratings. He also is singing 'the great American songbook' that could be more tolerable to audiences than new work.'Just in Time' is doing STELLAR business and will be open for an indefinite period of time so it's a good marketing spot for the show. Everyone wins.
On the other hand, 'Boop' features an unknown singing unknown material in a show that will likely be unknown after 4 weeks time and have no tickets to sell. I would love Jasmine to perform because of the strength of her performance and I love "Where I wanna be" and "Something to shout about" but the decision making is obvious and unambiguous if they were pitted against each other."
Clock your tone. Be capable of a convo without being condescending. Thanks."
In the "LuPone on McDonald" thread you literally said this to another poster: "Honey,please keep talking, the lack of education is proving itself. You’re not even worth a debate."And now you're asking others to be less condescending?
Forgive my slight frustration and surprise that someone who can talk like this to others hereseems to genuinely wonder why Jonathan Groff might have been picked over Jasmine to perform at the Tonys. However, at the very least of course I will and did the courtesy to explain why in a sincere way if it was a genuine question.
Don’t try and play victim. You earned that comment with your antics and I’m not the only one to call out your outrageousness.
As I said, check your tone. That was a different thread about a different heated subject. I was not testy here until you spoke to me condescendingly. I had a genuine question.
Moving forward. Broadway is as political as the White House. The Tony performance decisions are a wildcard. Hamilton does not need to perform. It’s taking up space for new work.
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dramamama611 said: "From reddit: "Cast Member here- the Tonys asked us to perform, and our lead producer basically told them to f*** off, he refuses to shell out the money and considers the telecast a scam for productions. We will not be performing no matter what."
Your choice whether or not to take at face value. Just passing it along."
FWIW Jasmine Amy Rogers posted on X saying they did have the funds and that wasn't the issue: https://x.com/jasmineamyr/status/1929967494992675071
Leading Actor Joined: 12/9/23
chrishuyen said: "dramamama611 said: "From reddit: "Cast Member here- the Tonys asked us to perform, and our lead producer basically told them to f*** off, he refuses to shell out the money and considers the telecast a scam for productions. We will not be performing no matter what."
Your choice whether or not to take at face value. Just passing it along."
FWIW Jasmine Amy Rogers posted on X saying they did have the funds and that wasn't the issue:https://x.com/jasmineamyr/status/1929967494992675071"
From a PR perspective, this is why we often tell people to maybe not go off in Reddit and Twitter comments, because now cast members on Twitter and Reddit have conflicting stories.
My gosh, the Best Actress category really made me hate the Tony’s this year…
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
dramamama611 said: "From reddit: "Cast Member here- the Tonys asked us to perform, and our lead producer basically told them to f*** off, he refuses to shell out the money and considers the telecast a scam for productions. We will not be performing no matter what."
Your choice whether or not to take at face value. Just passing it along."
For what it's worth, another cast member, this one who's posted on Reddit before with photos identifying them as Ricky Schroeder (aka "Clarence"/Jerry Mitchell's husband) also chimed in, telling that poster to stop lying. The other poster has now deleted all their comments.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Broadway/comments/1l2v9kb/comment/mvwdvpz/
Reddit is anonymous and people make up entire careers and backgrounds all the time on there (to an embarrassing degree). I really don’t think Jasmine and Jerry would put themselves in the position to be caught in a lie like that.
Besides, if your lead producer refuses to put up the money, everyone from the production knows that an online petition isn’t going to do anything that change that. I call BS on the Reddit comment.
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Has anyone on here even considered that this whole outrage is exactly what they wanted to get people talking about the show and this is all a publicity stunt and they actually are glad they were "told they couldn't perform"? Because this is Marketing 101. And nowadays, more people read Reddit and Twitter threads complaining about this stuff than actually watching the Tony Awards, so this is working to perfection.
Leading Actor Joined: 12/9/23
Broadway61004 said: "Has anyone on here even considered that this whole outrage is exactly what they wanted to get people talking about the show and this is all a publicity stunt and they actually are glad they were "told they couldn't perform"? Because this is Marketing 101. And nowadays, more people read Reddit and Twitter threads complaining about this stuff than actually watching the Tony Awards, so this is working to perfection."
Seeing Jerry argue with people in Instagram comments... you may be onto something
The only things that seem to have broken through in terms of PR for this show are this petition and Hannah Solow’s very funny “Well, we could see Boop!” video (which she posted a while ago and they seem to have only recently realized they could capitalize on).
Kad said: "The only things that seem to have broken through in terms of PR for this show are this petition and Hannah Solow’s very funny “Well, we could see Boop!” video (which she posted a while ago and they seem to have only recently realized they could capitalize on)."
Hannah's video is very funny, but the moment the show started doing things with it I stopped finding it funny (i.e. having everyone say it at Jasmine's Sardi's unveiling)
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Kad said: "The only things that seem to have broken through in terms of PR for this show are this petition and Hannah Solow’s very funny “Well, we could see Boop!” video (which she posted a while ago and they seem to have only recently realized they could capitalize on)."
Hannah's video is very funny, but the moment the show started doing things with it I stopped finding it funny(i.e. having everyone say it at Jasmine's Sardi's unveiling)"
Trying to force a viral moment almost never works.
I’d say with the current state of Broadway and audience levels waning the more the merrier is a good argument to be made to the league. If the shows have the money to do it, let them, get eyes on the shows and keep them open. I’m still baffled they haven’t used David Foster at all for press- his first Broadway score and he is active in the press for other things and this music was being performed before the show was even open in Chicago to generate buzz- Jessica Vosk did “Something to Shout About” at least a year prior to the Chicago run at her Carnegie Hall concert. Get him to play the piano for the performance or something- unless his ego is that bruised from the reviews, I feel like he could be doing more.
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