chrishuyen said: "I'm surprised that Smash is doing better overall than Boop and Pirates given the general negative word of mouth (Boop's isn't great but still better I think), so I guess the TV show name still carries some weight (it's probably too early to see the impact of reviews, if any)."
The grosses for Smash were very good given that one of the eight performances was opening night where a large percentage of tickets are comped.
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RaisedOnMusicals said: "poisonivy2 said: "I predict a Labor Day closing for Gypsy too."
Do you realize how much money Gypsy is likely to make during the holiday season? It will not be a Labor Day closing."
Which holiday season are you talking about? Regardless, why would you think that GYPSY is a "holiday show"? It's never been (and never will be) a tourist show -- it's a show for New Yorkers, some bridge + tunnel, and the relatively small pockets of visiting show queens.
Agreed, Gypsy is not a big tourist show. The show itself as a property and Audra as an actresss are big draws for theater lovers, not the general population
Summer will be interesting this year. Australian just added America to a reconsider list for travel.
Understudy Joined: 10/1/22
rosscoe(au) said: "Summer will be interesting this year. Australian just added America to a reconsider list for travel."
I've been wondering how long it would take before we did that. I've got one friend who has already cancelled their trip to to the US and my brother is due to travel to the US later this year and he and his wife were due to catch a couple of shows while they were there but not sure if they are now reconsidering although the main reason they were going was to visit a family member of my sis in law's.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/17/07
I’m impressed that 40 out of 41 Broadway houses are in use. When’s the last time that happened I wonder?
Stand-by Joined: 12/16/24
With cancelled performances, mixed reviews and NO substantial box office bump to support its near $850,000 weekly nut, Boop! will hang on for Tony noms and then most likely post a closing notice. Now, spare the troll comments and "they are back slurs", could not care less. This show was a long shot to begin with. yes, it is good, and the star is really good, but dated material, zero marketing power and lack of real word of mouth. Evidence is in clearly in tracking the next 3 weeks, half empty houses dictate this Boop! has no Bop!
I know REDWOOD is generally disliked (except by Jesse G) but those numbers are awful and I would have thought Idina would be a bigger draw, especially post-Wicked.
Can it even survive through the end of its current block of tickets (August)?
Stand-by Joined: 5/10/16
I know REDWOOD is generally disliked (except by Jesse G) but those numbers are awful and I would have thought Idina would be a bigger draw, especially post-Wicked. Can it even survive through the end of its current block of tickets (August)?
I think the die-hard theater fans sometimes overestimate Idina Menzel's drawing power with more general theater goers. Plus her association with Wicked was from how many years ago? (her cameo in the movie aside)
If Menzel can’t draw a crowd to the Nederlander how do producers expect Chenoweth to be able to draw a crowd to the St. James?
mrshowbiz90210 said: "Boop! will hang on for Tony noms and then most likely post a closing notice."
It’ll probably run through the spring road conference, if I had to guess.
I too expected Idina to draw in more business on name alone. But this is a very crowded season in terms of big names. Jake and Denzel, Nicole Scherzinger, Audra, Odenkirk/Culkin/Burr, Sarah Snook, George Clooney, Nick Jonas. Perhaps less A-List, but still impactful figures like Jinkx Monsoon and Ramin, Bernadette and Lea, Jonathan Groff, Sadie Sink, Orville Peck.
This is WAY more star power t contend with than when Idina was last here in If/Then. Most of the above stars are also in shows with recognizable IP. If there was a thinner field of celebs and/or productions, maybe Idina would be pulling in higher numbers. But in this field, she doesnt really have a shot at saving an original story with poor reviews.
I would not have expected Audra in Gypsy to be drawing substantially more people than Idina in Redwood.
They’re both relatively niche in the larger pop culture landscape. (Of course, Gypsy’s running costs are a lot higher and they’re dangerously close to bleeding money)
Featured Actor Joined: 3/8/22
Call_me_jorge said: "If Menzelcan’t draw a crowd to the Nederlander how do producers expect Chenoweth to be able to draw a crowd to the St. James?
Unfortunately, I think Chenoweth will be in the same boat as Menzel. Beloved stage star with a finite appeal to tourists, in a problematic vehicle.
Stand-by Joined: 3/29/25
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "I would not have expected Audra in Gypsy to be drawing substantially more people than Idina in Redwood.
They’re both relatively niche in the larger pop culturelandscape. (Of course, Gypsy’s running costs are a lot higher and they’re dangerously close to bleeding money)"
I wonder if this is a case of the production/property trumping the performer. Seems possible that almost any good name in Gypsy would draw better than Idina in Redwood given the familiarity of the former and the topic matter of the latter.
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Bwaygurl2 said: "Call_me_jorge said: "If Menzelcan’t draw a crowd to the Nederlander how do producers expect Chenoweth to be able to draw a crowd to the St. James?
Unfortunately, I think Chenoweth will be in the same boat as Menzel. Beloved stage star with a finite appeal to tourists, in a problematic vehicle.
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I think Chenoweth will be more of an attraction than Menzel. She seems to be ubiquitous on TV, whereas Menzel is not.
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/10/11
MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "I too expected Idina to draw in more business on name alone. But this is a very crowded season in terms of big names. Jake and Denzel, Nicole Scherzinger, Audra, Odenkirk/Culkin/Burr, Sarah Snook, George Clooney, Nick Jonas. Perhaps less A-List, but still impactful figures like Jinkx Monsoon and Ramin, Bernadette and Lea, Jonathan Groff, Sadie Sink, Orville Peck.
This is WAY more star power t contend with than when Idina was last here inIf/Then. Most of the above stars are also in shows with recognizable IP. If there was a thinner field of celebs and/or productions, maybe Idina would be pulling in higher numbers. But in this field, she doesnt really have a shot at saving an original story with poor reviews."
Flip side...what would that show be doing were she not in it. She is probably selling most of the tickets that are being sold.
SteveSanders said: "I wonder if this is a case of the production/property trumping the performer. Seems possible that almost any good name in Gypsy would draw better than Idina in Redwood given the familiarity of the former and the topic matter of the latter."
GYPSY is not a money property. It has an insular fanbase.
There are virtually no musical revivals that would make $1 million a week for 5 months on the strength of the title alone.
Audra and the reviews are generating sales.
The word of mouth could also be stronger for Gypsy too. I haven’t seen redwood so I hate to make claims I can’t really support but my hunch is that Gypsy is the better show.
mrshowbiz90210 said: "With cancelled performances, mixed reviews and NO substantial box office bump to support its near $850,000 weekly nut, Boop! will hang on for Tony noms and then most likely post a closing notice. Now, spare the troll comments and"they are back slurs", could not care less. This show was a longshot to begin with. yes, it is good, and the star is really good, but dated material, zero marketing power and lack of real word of mouth. Evidence is in clearly in tracking the next 3 weeks, half empty houses dictate this Boop! has no Bop!"
Oh. The person who attended opening night but missed the show because they screwed up on their whole fabricated story is back. Nice to see you are back attacking Boop. At this point I highly doubt you have even seen the show.
You have lied about this show and those involved from the get go.
Stand-by Joined: 12/16/24
Huss417 said: "mrshowbiz90210 said: "With cancelled performances, mixed reviews and NO substantial box office bump to support its near $850,000 weekly nut, Boop! will hang on for Tony noms and then most likely post a closing notice. Now, spare the troll comments and"they are back slurs", could not care less. This show was a longshot to begin with. yes, it is good, and the star is really good, but dated material, zero marketing power and lack of real word of mouth. Evidence is in clearly in tracking the next 3 weeks, half empty houses dictate this Boop! has no Bop!"
Oh. The person who attended opening night but missed the show because they screwed up on their whole fabricated story is back. Nice to see you are back attacking Boop. At this point I highly doubt you have even seen the show.
You have lied about this show and those involved from the get go.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Darling, facts are facts. As we don't live together, know each other, or have an air tag on me, your claim of me lying is laughable and stupid. Regardless, we all welcome the diversity of opinions even ones that are vapid, childish and without merit. Bye Bye Hussy!
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Boop just needs get Jasmine on the morning talk show circuit.
RippedMan said: "Boop just needs get Jasmine on the morning talk show circuit."
No doubt they've been hounding every booker and producer for months.
Morning (and late-night) appearances do not drive the needle these days in the way that they did years ago. Most shows would kill for the TV coverage that HEART OF ROCK & ROLL had last year. It did not mean a thing.
mrshowbiz90210 said: "Huss417 said: "mrshowbiz90210 said: "With cancelled performances, mixed reviews and NO substantial box office bump to support its near $850,000 weekly nut, Boop! will hang on for Tony noms and then most likely post a closing notice. Now, spare the troll comments and"they are back slurs", could not care less. This show was a longshot to begin with. yes, it is good, and the star is really good, but dated material, zero marketing power and lack of real word of mouth. Evidence is in clearly in tracking the next 3 weeks, half empty houses dictate this Boop! has no Bop!"
Oh. The person who attended opening night but missed the show because they screwed up on their whole fabricated story is back. Nice to see you are back attacking Boop. At this point I highly doubt you have even seen the show.
You have lied about this show and those involved from the get go.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Darling, facts are facts. As we don't live together,know each other, or have an air tag on me,your claim of me lying is laughable and stupid. Regardless, we all welcome the diversity of opinions even ones that are vapid, childish and withoutmerit. Bye Bye Hussy!
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You were caught in a bold faced lie and then you slithered away. We didn’t forget your little opening night fabrication. Not sure what you’re back for after that!
I think the Redwood issue is really just word of mouth on the show itself. I’ve seen anything Idina has done in New York post-Wicked and immediately bought a ticket for Redwood, but I find it hard to recommend to anyone who isn’t a die hard fan. She’s incredible in it and the visuals are stunning, but the score is just *so* bad.
Stand-by Joined: 5/11/06
Matt Rogers said: "mrshowbiz90210 said: "Huss417 said: "mrshowbiz90210 said: "With cancelled performances, mixed reviews and NO substantial box office bump to support its near $850,000 weekly nut, Boop! will hang on for Tony noms and then most likely post a closing notice. Now, spare the troll comments and"they are back slurs", could not care less. This show was a longshot to begin with. yes, it is good, and the star is really good, but dated material, zero marketing power and lack of real word of mouth. Evidence is in clearly in tracking the next 3 weeks, half empty houses dictate this Boop! has no Bop!"
Oh. The person who attended opening night but missed the show because they screwed up on their whole fabricated story is back. Nice to see you are back attacking Boop. At this point I highly doubt you have even seen the show.
You have lied about this show and those involved from the get go.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Darling, facts are facts. As we don't live together,know each other, or have an air tag on me,your claim of me lying is laughable and stupid. Regardless, we all welcome the diversity of opinions even ones that are vapid, childish and withoutmerit. Bye Bye Hussy!
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You were caught in a bold faced lie and then you slithered away. We didn’t forget your little opening night fabrication. Not sure what you’re back for after that!"
Yup, completely agree. I was on here that night and with 100% certainty this person made a fool of themselves by claiming to be getting ready to go to opening an hour after the show started. They are a fool who clearly has some unnatural obsession with this show. Maybe they are mad they weren't cast in it? Who knows. The funny thing is, I didn't love the show and we probably have similar viewpoints about it. But someone who felt the need for WEEKS to obsessively post and reply to every comment about this show (likely trolling the board for hours on end) has some psychological issues.
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