JEKYLL & HYDE Died Today
#3
Posted: 5/12/13 at 5:53pm
jazz,
"Pardon my prior Mcfee slip. I know how to spell her name. I just don't know how to type it." -Talulah
#4
Posted: 5/12/13 at 5:55pm
This is me today. No joke.
"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
#5
Posted: 5/12/13 at 5:55pm
You know what really, deeply bothers me. We can joke all we like (or even be serious) that Wildhorn's shows are ****, get awful reviews and always flop. But at the end of the day there are real people who are bearing this ridiculous waste of money and I just don't want to imagine the kind of financial strain they are being put in needlessly. Wildhorn or your producers who are doing this - for the sake of the wellbeing for the investors who are foolishly pouring money into your shows time and time again, please stop what you're doing!
We demonstrated 50 years ago that rats will stop a behaviour if they are punished. I don't know how psychologists could account for the strange phenomenon of Wildhorn shows. Broadway is a business and you just can't make it. Learn about "letting go" and stick to regions who will buy tickets.
We demonstrated 50 years ago that rats will stop a behaviour if they are punished. I don't know how psychologists could account for the strange phenomenon of Wildhorn shows. Broadway is a business and you just can't make it. Learn about "letting go" and stick to regions who will buy tickets.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
Updated On: 5/12/13 at 05:55 PM
#6
Posted: 5/12/13 at 5:57pm
Stop trying to make Wildhorn happen! It's not going to happen!
#7
Posted: 5/12/13 at 6:01pm
I think Jekyll & Hyde died a few months back.
"Pardon my prior Mcfee slip. I know how to spell her name. I just don't know how to type it." -Talulah
#8
Posted: 5/12/13 at 6:06pm
Words don't deserve that kind of malarkey. They're innocent, neutral, precise, standing for this, describing that, meaning the other, so if you look after them you can build bridges across incomprehension and chaos. But when they get their corners knocked off, they're no good anymore…I don't think writers are sacred, but words are. They deserve respect. If you get the right ones in the right order, you can nudge the world a little.
#9
Posted: 5/12/13 at 6:07pm
qolbinau: Broadway is pretty much a "brand" nowadays.. Open the show on Broadway and its marketing value elsewhere increases immediately (flop or not).
I think what most people don't realize that Wildhorn's cast albums are very successful (every score on Broadway and even more in English have had releases) and there are countless regional productions of his shows around the country and the globe. That would be a good incentive as to why people continue to invest.
While I can't say I'll be missing this version, this show did make some of its money back on the road (it played over 200 performances, don't forget) so its not a total loss.
I think what most people don't realize that Wildhorn's cast albums are very successful (every score on Broadway and even more in English have had releases) and there are countless regional productions of his shows around the country and the globe. That would be a good incentive as to why people continue to invest.
While I can't say I'll be missing this version, this show did make some of its money back on the road (it played over 200 performances, don't forget) so its not a total loss.
#10
Posted: 5/12/13 at 7:23pm
Wildhorn, more than anyone else, seems to be banking on licensing, not Broadway success, as his end goal. I've talked a few times on this board about the concept of "redeemed flops:" shows that fail to generate a profit or otherwise succeed notably on Broadway, but become extremely profitable mainstays after tours, licensing to regionals, communities and schools, or even later revivals.
Jekyll and Hyde is almost certainly a textbook case of a "redeemed flop." While it has never worked on Broadway, it pops up perennially almost everywhere else, and has made Wildhorn et al some serious cash.
Jekyll and Hyde is almost certainly a textbook case of a "redeemed flop." While it has never worked on Broadway, it pops up perennially almost everywhere else, and has made Wildhorn et al some serious cash.
#11
Posted: 5/12/13 at 7:41pm
Wildhorn must be a masochist he keeps coming back with his musicals and always gets critically derided . I recon he will be back on broad with a another of his so called musicals within two seasons.
#12
Posted: 5/12/13 at 7:54pm
A bad musical is not "not a musical." it's just a bad musical or a critically acclaimed one.
I don't think Wildhorn is shooting for praise and acclaim- he's shooting for popular success and returns on his investments. He almost always gets those.
I don't think Wildhorn is shooting for praise and acclaim- he's shooting for popular success and returns on his investments. He almost always gets those.
#13
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:03pm
I am glad that he has not given up even though the critics hate him and his shows rarely do well. I have enjoyed the music from all of his shows. I think he is a truly great composer that oftentimes works with bad book writers, lyricists, and directors. I enjoy all of the cast recordings of his shows, especially the orchestrations.
"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
#14
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:04pm
Maybe the next time Wildhorn does Broadway, and God help us, he will, they should do it in another language, like Chinese, so we can see what all the fuss is about.
#15
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:15pm
I also enjoy his shows. Many of the critics darlings I could not stand
I would take any Wildhorn show over Wicked at any time.
I would take any Wildhorn show over Wicked at any time.
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#16
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:22pm
I would take any Wildhorn show over Wicked at any time.
Word. Although I would take just about anything over Wicked.
Word. Although I would take just about anything over Wicked.
"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
#18
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:32pm
1) The investors that put money into a Broadway production are fine. Don't feel sorry for the investors. It was their risk to take, and one can only hope that they make informed decisions on how to invest their money.
2) Regarding the argument that Wildhorn shows are financially successful from cast album sales: that only applies to the composer, lyricist, producers and album producer. Investors of the show's production are normally not involved in the cast album financing.
3) After this latest failure, I wonder if the Broadway theatre owners will ever give him a house again?
2) Regarding the argument that Wildhorn shows are financially successful from cast album sales: that only applies to the composer, lyricist, producers and album producer. Investors of the show's production are normally not involved in the cast album financing.
3) After this latest failure, I wonder if the Broadway theatre owners will ever give him a house again?
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
#19
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:41pm
The ironic part about this Jekyll & HYDE is that this was the Nederlander Organization's idea for their 100th Anniversary production.
Nederlander produced (in part) WONDERLAND and Bonnie & Clyde as well, and a few Linda Eder things that popped up on Broadway.
Certain cast recordings in the Wildhorn library, as Hook said, do not have the producers of the shows linked, but a few do (edited for example).
Nederlander produced (in part) WONDERLAND and Bonnie & Clyde as well, and a few Linda Eder things that popped up on Broadway.
Certain cast recordings in the Wildhorn library, as Hook said, do not have the producers of the shows linked, but a few do (edited for example).
Updated On: 5/12/13 at 08:41 PM
#20
Posted: 5/12/13 at 8:52pm
I missed it.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#22
Posted: 5/12/13 at 9:46pm
Wow. Cruel.
I, for one, have enjoyed several evenings sitting in a theater housing a show composed buy Wildhorn. I have never "loved" any of his shows - so far - but I honor his achievements and I wonder why so much negativity: If he is able to get his shows mounted on Broadway, good for him. Why would you care? If you don't like his work, just don't go. Do you fear that somehow his very presence is going to destroy Broadway? I assure you its not.
I, for one, have enjoyed several evenings sitting in a theater housing a show composed buy Wildhorn. I have never "loved" any of his shows - so far - but I honor his achievements and I wonder why so much negativity: If he is able to get his shows mounted on Broadway, good for him. Why would you care? If you don't like his work, just don't go. Do you fear that somehow his very presence is going to destroy Broadway? I assure you its not.
#24
Posted: 5/12/13 at 10:53pm
The only person who gets tons of cash from the Wildhorn shows is Frank.
#25
Posted: 5/12/13 at 10:53pm
The only person who gets tons of cash from the Wildhorn shows is Frank.
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