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JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

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JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

Another national tour casting notice dropped today, and once again I have serious questions about what Actors’ Equity is allowing to happen under the current Touring Agreement.

The upcoming national tour of Just in Time is apparently going out under a Level 6 Touring Agreement, with an Equity minimum of just $995 per week.

For comparison, the current Broadway minimum is $2,717 per week.

That means an Equity performer doing essentially the same professional production on the road can have a contractual minimum that is $1,722 less per week — roughly 63% below the Broadway minimum.

And we aren't talking about an unproven show desperately trying to make touring economics work.

Just in Time has already recouped its entire $12.5 million Broadway capitalization, becoming the first musical of the 2024–25 Broadway season to announce recoupment. The Broadway production has repeatedly broken the weekly gross record at Circle in the Square and has spent much of its run playing to extremely strong houses. [Playbill reported the recoupment in May.]

So now this proven commercial hit is going on the road — into a touring market where I would argue it is practically tailor-made for the subscription audience — and we're supposed to accept that Level 6 wages are economically necessary?

Bobby Darin. "Mack the Knife." "Beyond the Sea." "Splish Splash." A nostalgic jukebox musical that has already demonstrated its commercial viability on Broadway. If there were ever a show positioned to appeal directly to the traditional Broadway Across America/subscription demographic, this is it.

Obviously, nobody can guarantee that a national tour will be profitable before it opens. Touring has different expenses and economics than Broadway. But that's precisely why I think Equity members deserve much more transparency about how these tiers are actually being determined.

Because at some point the question becomes:

What kind of show actually has to go out for Equity to demand Level 1 wages?

If a Broadway musical can recoup a $12.5 million capitalization, repeatedly break its theatre's box-office record, demonstrate sustained audience demand, and then launch a first-class national tour at the lowest touring tier, what commercial benchmark is left?

This is becoming especially concerning when viewed alongside Death Becomes Her going out at Level 5. We seem to be watching highly commercial Broadway properties enter the road at increasingly low contractual minimums while Equity performers absorb the difference.

And these aren't community-theatre actors being given an opportunity to tour. These are professional union performers being asked to leave their homes, live out of suitcases, travel across North America eight shows a week, and maintain the physical demands of a first-class production for a contractual minimum of $995 a week.

To be clear, the producers are operating under a collectively bargained agreement. My criticism isn't that they're violating the contract. My question is why Actors' Equity negotiated a system that permits a production with this commercial track record to occupy Level 6 in the first place.

The union should be aggressively scrutinizing the financial assumptions being used to classify tours at these levels and explaining to its membership why extraordinarily successful Broadway properties qualify for the bottom tiers.

Because if Just in Time qualifies for Level 6, I genuinely want to know:

What show doesn't?

Casting notice: https://playbill.com/job/just-in-time-tour-nyc-epa-09-16-26/97280128-1d67-4a3e-89ac-11b74d60f0c9

Recoupment reporting: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/18/theater/just-in-time-broadway-profit.html


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JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

GottaGetAGimmick420 said: "Why didn't we just put this in the Just In Time thread that already exists below?"

I think the fact that a Broadway production that has already recouped $12.5 million is launching its tour at the lowest contractual tier raises a much broader labor discussion that warrants its own thread.


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#4

Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

And the show will need a name to sell.
A Chorus Line revival played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013. Another non-equity tour launched on January 20, 2018. The tour ended its US run in Kansas City and then toured throughout Japan August & September 2018.
#5

JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

I agree it’s a little ridiculous, but remember that Tier 6 has bonuses based on financial performance. I remember friends on what used to be called the SETA, and they made out like bandits in almost every city. Most weeks these actors will be earning well over $995.

If there are any equity members here who have actually worked on the Tier 6 agreement, it would be great to hear from them.



Equity members participate in a percentage of any overage the producer earns on top of their salary. If and when a show recoups its initial investment, that overage participation rate increases, as does the minimum salary.

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JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

ACL2006 said: "And the show will need a name to sell."

On the road? Not at all. It's an acclaimed production with a beloved songbook. Touring audiences will eat it up.


"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

Updated On: 9/1/26 at 11:34 AM

#7

JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

ACL2006 said: "And the show will need a name to sell."

Which I seriously doubt they'll get on the road.

So now this proven commercial hit is going on the road — into a touring market where I would argue it is practically tailor-made for the subscription audience — and we're supposed to accept that Level 6 wages are economically necessary?

You don't have to accept it Jorge, but it's all about everyone making money besides the cast and crew of these touring companies. That will always be the reality unless something drastic changes, and we all know Equity and everyone else involved would never do that, unfortunately.


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Updated On: 9/1/26 at 12:37 PM

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

I was actually curious to see this tour since I saw it last summer with Groff - if only to see how they would reimagine that set in a standard theater. But I was also hoping that Groff's original standby - Matt Magnussun would be Bobby as I've heard he's fantastic. He's been doing a lot of the promo work for the tour - but I wonder if he would take a level 6 salary - he makes more than that as a standby/swing now - so that bums me out. The show is wonderful - but this seems oddly over cautious for a show that already recouped.
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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?


it would be interesting for someone

to compile a list of national tours

grouped by their tiers

from the past say three years

as it would expose the folly

of equitys agreement

you can count the number of current tours

at the top tier on one hand

but have there ever been any tier 2 tours

and besides beauty and the beast

have there ever been any tier 3 tours

what about tier 4 tours

for the next equity contract negotiations

they should worry less about the $2700+ broadway minimum

and focus more on getting the lower tour tiers above $1000

and fix the abuse the producers have demonstrated

by sending out tours of very successful broadway shows

at insulting wages

its time for a revolution



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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

Kad said: "ACL2006 said: "And the show will need a name to sell."

On the road? Not at all. It's an acclaimed production with a beloved songbook. Touring audiences will eat it up.
"

Huh? Whuh? Yeah, acclaimed on Broadway but trust me, the mainstream audiences in middle America have zero idea about this musical or its existence. Yeah, tourists who are coming into the city and plan on seeing a Broadway show NOW will actually do their online search on what show to see and why. THE BOBBY DARIN STORY is a title that is self-explanatory. Yes, mainstream audiences will pay attention to this title. JUST IN TIME. No one, even people I know who occasionally see shows on Broadway when they visit the city, have no idea about the show or that is a Bobby Darin show.

People here assume just because we love Betsy Wolfe, so does Stacey and Jason in Cleveland, Ohio, who actually have zero idea who she is.

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

MezzoDiva47 said: "
it would be interesting for someone to compile a list of national tours grouped by their tiers from the past say three years"

Level 7: Annie, The Sound of Music, The Great Gatsby
Level 6: Clue, The Wiz, Company, Les Miserables, Just in Time, Suffs, Buena Vista Social Club, Dirty Dancing
Level 5: The Outsiders, The Notebook, Just in Time, Hell's Kitchen, A Beautiful Noise, Some Like It Hot, Life of Pi, Kimberly Akimbo, & Juliet, Parade, Shucked, Funny Girl, Back to the Future, Mamma Mia, Maybe Happy Ending, Spamalot
Level 4: Hadestown, Operation Mincemeat
Level 3: Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin second national
Level 2: upcoming leg of the Six tour
Level 1: Phantom, MJ, Wicked, Stereophonic, Oh Mary, Harry Potter, The Lion King, Hamilton, Moulin Rouge, Six pre-2025

I may have forgotten a show or two. The concerning things are the recent apparent ballooning of Level 6 (level 5 was bad enough), and Six. How was Six able to "close" a tour, open a new leg, and backslide down one level? That is a terrible precedent. Level 2 was designed for brand new productions starting out as a national tours, which makes the Six backslide even more confusing.

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

People here assume just because we love Betsy Wolfe, so does Stacey and Jason in Cleveland, Ohio, who actually have zero idea who she is."

A name doesn't matter to people seeing touring casts. My friends in Cleveland just love going to Playhouse Square and seeing shows. They never look who is in the show because, like most Americans, they couldn't care less. They paid for a subscription, and they just want to see a show and enjoy their evening.

If people want to see a name, they come to New York. I think most people understand and accept that.


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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

I think a name *can* matter to some as to whether or not they see a touring production, especially outside of a subscription package. I make no assumptions about for how many and under what circumstances this might be true.

It would be interesting to know what any marketing research on this topic might reveal. And moving forward, if NYC/Broadway continues to be cost-prohibitive for some, what is the ripple effect of that on touring productions, audience interests, and casting?

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

So many responses in this thread seem to be focused on equating contractual salaries with the popularity of a show, or its performer(s).

That's not the basis for the tier system. (see this article: The Business Behind National Tours and Their Effect on Broadway)

The article does a good job of explaining how the tier at which a production is contracted is based on how long a show will be engaged in each city - nothing at all to do with a "name" performer, or how well a show did on Broadway.

As mentioned by ErmengardeStopSniveling: "...but remember that Tier 6 has bonuses based on financial performance. I remember friends on what used to be called the SETA, and they made out like bandits in almost every city. Most weeks these actors will be earning well over $995."

This is also borne out in the article re: the “producers share of the overage”:

"...depending on how well a show sells in a city, cast members can theoretically earn more than a level one or two tour, or even a Broadway production, which do not have that overage."

With a show like "Just in Time", I can see how an actor might be happily optimistic to be in a Level 6 contract because of that “producers share of the overage” deal...

Updated On: 9/3/26 at 04:31 AM

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

I think people aren’t understanding that that is the base salary not what people will be getting paid.


Also I’m pretty sure people were flocking to the Wiz tour for the names. So they do matter, but I think this will sale just fine. Word of mouth will help it. Just curious how the production will look.

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

There definitely is some internal negotiations happening regarding tour producers and presenters who also happen to be co-producers, Nederlander, John Gore, and ATG, where the lead producers intentionally take a hit sending out the shows on lower tiers for something in exchange from the presenters. Presenters have to divest from their stake in the show when it tours, but that would probably take a DOJ that cares.


Something that was brought up on Reddit that hasn’t been mentioned here is the lack of auditing shows when there are overages. There is no internal method by equity to make sure the cast is being allotted the overages owed to them.


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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

dan94 said: "MezzoDiva47 said: "
it would be interesting for someone to compile a list of national tours grouped by their tiers from the past say three years"

Level 7: Annie, TheSound of Music, The Great Gatsby
Level 6: Clue, The Wiz, Company, Les Miserables, Just in Time, Suffs, Buena Vista Social Club, Dirty Dancing
Level 5: The Outsiders, The Notebook, Just in Time, Hell's Kitchen, A Beautiful Noise, Some Like It Hot, Life of Pi, Kimberly Akimbo, & Juliet, Parade, Shucked, Funny Girl, Back to the Future, Mamma Mia, Maybe Happy Ending, Spamalot
Level 4: Hadestown, Operation Mincemeat
Level 3: Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin second national
Level 2: upcoming leg of the Six tour
Level 1: Phantom, MJ, Wicked, Stereophonic, Oh Mary, Harry Potter, The Lion King, Hamilton, Moulin Rouge, Six pre-2025
"

The Great Gatsby is Level 7? That's a show with many ensemble actors plus the sets would be big. The Outsiders is a Best Tony musical yet still in Level 5? Yet Mincemeat is Level 4 with only five principal members (plus 5 understudies with very few sets).

How they determine the levels again??

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

The shows at the highest tiers are either small productions or enormous box office hits so they can afford both the highest salaries and the additional personnel expenses of touring.


"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

lite2shine said: "How they determine the levels again??"

Not by the means you're trying to invent...

  • Broadway tours are split into seven levels, with Levels One and Two typically being reserved for shows doing multi-week runs in each city (the highest tiers).
  • This highest tier contract is the closest to the Production contract Broadway shows use, and when a National Tour does a stint on Broadway or elsewhere in NYC, they use the Level One contract.
  • Levels Three through Seven are what used to be called SETA contracts, or Short Engagement Touring Agreements.
  • These contracts are for shows that mostly run for only one week engagements in cities, and are what most touring shows today are covered by.


Scroll up to see why, and for whom this is potentially beneficial.

Updated On: 9/4/26 at 04:19 AM

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

Kad said: "The shows at the highest tiers are either small productions or enormous box office hits..."

Not according to the tier system's logic.

It appears to be based on (perceived/projected) "guaranteed" ticket sales in each city - regardless of production size, or previous success elsewhere.

In other words, and in regards to the tour specifically, past financial performance/show reputation is placed on a back burner in favor of, "How much money can we make right now with this specific production/tour?".

Performers also share a stake in the game due to “producers share of the overage” (profit sharing).

Updated On: 9/4/26 at 04:44 AM

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

An under discussed aspect of the Level 3-7/SETA contracts are how they are kneecapping touring venues from meeting their market.

You cannot have a majority of multi week engagements over the course of the year. That comes down to about 8 cities. There are 14 cities with multi week subscription bases. You cannot play more than about 8 or 9 in the same calendar year unless you are a Level One or Two tour.

Toronto (4), Chicago (2), Cleveland (3), Boston (2), Detroit (2), Philadelphia (2), Cincinnati (2), St Louis (2), Denver (2), Seattle (4), San Fran (4), LA (4), Costa Mesa (2), and DC (4)

A number of the 2 week cities tack on a third week if they believe the show will sell. With those additional third weeks, we are quickly approaching the need for a third calendar year to allow productions to maintain majority single week engagements. Nationally however, there is not a market to support 3 year tours for most shows. The existing spread lasts about 18-21 months unless you are a mega hit.

I've had friends in Toronto consistently complaining about how bad the subscription series is with Mirvish. They would subscribe; but the shows are not good enough, half of the tours come in from the UK where they are built to specious UK touring standards, or shows invariably arrive at the end of their touring life with a tired or bored replacement cast.

Then you have a city like Pittsburgh. The subscription base alone fills about 85% capacity of their house. It is somewhat hard to get tickets if you don't subscribe or aren't on top of on sale dates. The entire city is having a problem with a shrinking cultural sector at the moment. The Broadway Series is the only cultural institution that seems to make money, the orchestra is on a lucky swing with donations and attendance is improving. Every other cultural institution is suffering. With a modestly increased ad spend Pittsburgh could be a 2 week market. This would be a boon to the entire city by helping more people stay actively engaged in the arts. The problem is there is no reason for them to grow into a 2 week city. They are in fact disincentivized from becoming a 2 week city under current conditions. The producers understandably game the cards dealt to them. They spread out the multi weeks over multiple years. If Pittsburgh turned into a 2 week market they would immediately lose their place in line to receive shows. They'd get punted to that second year (or miss the show entirely) for just about every show, at which point any brand awareness from a Broadway run has considerably lessened. This would increase an already increased amount of local ad spend they would have to do. The city has the audience base necessary to expand, but no real opportunity to do so.

I cannot imagine Pittsburgh is the only city in a situation like this. More multi week cities also means actual days off for actors. You do not truly have a day off if all engagements are single weeks. The day off is a day spent traveling. It's grueling.

You can't put toothpaste back into the bottle. SETA was allowed some 15 years ago and there is no getting rid of a version of it at this point. But it is high time we look at some of the unintended consequences and try to address them.

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

dan94 said: "An under discussed aspect of the Level 3-7/SETA contracts are how they are kneecapping touring venues from meeting their market.
[...] it is high time we look at some of the unintended consequences and try to address them.
"

I feel like there might be a LOT of good info to unpack in your post. Trouble is... there's not enough direct clarity in how you write for me to understand what (I feel like) might be reasonable points.

For example, In your 2nd paragraph quoted above, who is the "You" that cannot have a majority of multi week engagements? Honestly, I wasn't able to follow anything beyond that sentence, until the paragraph that talks about your friends in Toronto and "how bad the subscription series is with Mirvish".

I get what you're saying in re: to how ticket buyers are getting the short end of the stick - especially: "The subscription base alone fills about 85% capacity of their house. It is somewhat hard to get tickets if you don't subscribe or aren't on top of on sale dates."

I thought about that possibility, too as the tier system appears to be based on: "The touring theatre subscription model dictates that most cities have a mostly guaranteed audience for one week of a show's run. Adding additional weeks can quickly become financially untenable."

When the tier system is based on "a mostly guaranteed audience for one week", that means potential audience members who aren't subscribers, or as you mentioned, "aren't on top of [...] sale dates", are just strictly SOL. ....and that sucks.

The only thing I can say (although it's not any consolation) is that the tiered system seems to be designed to ensure profitability.

Updated On: 9/4/26 at 12:47 PM

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Re: JUST IN TIME is going out on a Level 6 tour at $995/week. If a show this successful qualifies for Level 6, what exactly is the point of the tier system?

Based on the info in this thread, especially the list of tours by Tier Level, it seems like the https://actorsequity.org/resources/Tours site isn't enough anymore to serve its purpose. They should add the tier levels fo this site so ticket-buying public can know.....or should they know? I get the reason for publicizing Equity vs nonEquity since so many nonunion tours pass themselves off as being direct from Broadway and such, but should the audiences care about what pay level the peformers are at? Serious question in terms of privacy and relevancy.

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