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KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#200
Posted: 5/19/13 at 1:50am
This year the Tony race for Best Musical has become very competitive, brings us back to 2004 when Avenue Q won over Wicked.
Now let's get the facts.
KINKY BOOTS
-Feel good musical
-Audiences love it
-Catchy tunes
-Positive message
-Bright
-Colorful
MATILDA
-Smart
-Inventive
-Dark
-Intimidating
-Technically great score
Now the next becomes my opinion. Kinky Boots however feel good it is has become a generally safe musical. Appeals to most audiences. Problems with Kinky Boots are that it is too preachy, stereotypical, and not edgy enough given the pedigree it has. Harvey Fierstein whose experience with the subject of not belonging apparent enough in Torch Song Trilogy doesn't really push the edge with his book. I expected a lot more from the book. Cyndi Lauper could have written sexier songs and edgier given the fact she wrote "She Bop" I am not saying I didn't like Kinky Boots, I loved it. But it didn't meet expectations. It is too preachy again.
Matilda is a smart musical with very witty songs, inventive sets, and what has to be one of the most awesome uses of the alphabet with "School Song." It hasn't been dumb down and follows the tone one would expect from a Roald Dahl story. I loved Matilda a lot. It has some funny characters. It's not a safe musical because its very dark. I claimed it intimidating because it isn't a feel good musical, it's very pessimistic.
Which musical would win the Tony?
For this we go back to the 2004 Tony's, the envelope is opened and Avenue Q is announced the victor. What a shock! The edgy, pessimistic, smart musical won over the feel good musical that's selling out tickets to this day.
I'd venture a guess and announce the winner to be MATILDA.
I would say this, though. Kinky Boots or Matilda winning the Tony would be perfectly fine with everyone. Both shows are good, well reviewed, and popular.
We will find out on June 9th, see you guys there.
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KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#201
Posted: 5/19/13 at 1:57am
^but then you have the Next to normal/Billy Elliot year which is the opposite of that.
There isn't a formula for this. I feel like the talk is centered around the "london transfer" winning and kinky boots stands more as a feel good musical.
To me, kinky boots was hairspray for drag queens. but unlike hairspray, it didn't really brooch a subject that hasn't been develed into before (a la La Cage). Kinky boots was good fun but i don't think it deserves to win "best musical."
Stand-by Joined: 5/3/09
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#202
Posted: 5/19/13 at 1:57am
^but then you have the Next to normal/Billy Elliot year which is the opposite of that.
There isn't a formula for this. I feel like the talk is centered around the "london transfer" winning and kinky boots stands more as a feel good musical.
To me, kinky boots was hairspray for drag queens. but unlike hairspray, it didn't really brooch a subject that hasn't been develed into before (a la La Cage). Kinky boots was good fun but i don't think it deserves to win "best musical."
Broadway Star Joined: 5/12/03
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#203
Posted: 5/19/13 at 4:00am
Having seen both I'd vote for MATILDA to win. I was
Surprised by how lame the score to KINKY BOOTS
was , not one song I'd want to hear a second time .
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#204
Posted: 5/19/13 at 10:47pm
So, I just saw Matilda yesterday and I LOVED it! A review of it will come out tomorrow under "Matilda Previews"
It was fantastic! I REALLY REALLY think that Matilda will get BEST MUSICAL. It was very unique with the story and the choices that it made with the set, direction, acting etc. It was really moving, esepecially at the end. I'm sure that KB is great, but this is REALLY a big standout!
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#205
Posted: 5/19/13 at 10:55pm
^^ REALLY REALLY???
All jokes aside, I'm looking forward to what looks like a close best musical race.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#206
Posted: 5/19/13 at 11:42pmSorry if it isn't a good description. I didn't know what to say :P
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#207
Posted: 5/20/13 at 12:30am
I think Matilda deserves to win over Kinky Boots.
Both shows are "British" musicals. Matilda integrates the British-ness really well, but Kinky Boots practically ignores that aspect. (IMO, they'd have done better to change the setting to the US, like The Full Monty.)
Matilda's score is much more tightly integrated with its book and its characters' specific emotions. Kinky Boots' score sounds more at home on the radio or the dance floor. It's strongest emotions are pretty generic, with poppy, trite messages like "we're the same", "lift you up", "just be" and "say, Yeah".
Matilda's sets/lighting are imaginative and creative. Kinky Boots' is functional.
I hope Matilda wins, but I also hope Cyndi Lauper will continue to write for musical theater. She's smart and creative.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#208
Posted: 5/20/13 at 12:34amNo matter what happens, I agree, I hope Cyndi Lauper continues to write for theatre. I was hoping Dolly would as well. They have great points of view as songwriters.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#209
Posted: 5/20/13 at 12:47amI sure hope she's caught the bug. Trey Anastasio too, for that matter. While we're on the subject of pop/rock stars doing Broadway this year…
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#210
Posted: 5/20/13 at 10:23am
Which musical would win the Tony?
For this we go back to the 2004 Tony's, the envelope is opened and Avenue Q is announced the victor. What a shock! The edgy, pessimistic, smart musical won over the feel good musical that's selling out tickets to this day.
I'd venture a guess and announce the winner to be MATILDA.
Never base an outcome on another year. Just a couple of years before that, Millie won over Urinetown. Trends change, voters change, times change, and the shows and seasons change.
Broadway Star Joined: 5/7/13
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#211
Posted: 5/20/13 at 10:42amI was out a week ago at 54 Below and a group of people came in late night holding Matilda playbills. I asked how they enjoyed it. They response they gave me was "Kinky has nothing to worry about." I can only assume they were Tony voters since they were producers from the Midwest and the show list they mentioned are all Tony nominated shows. My money is on Kinky.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#212
Posted: 5/20/13 at 10:50amWell, clearly if a group of people who might be Tony voters didn't like it...
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#213
Posted: 5/20/13 at 11:09amYeah, isn't it funny how the opinions of anonymous Tony voters always match the strongly stated opinions of the posters?
Broadway Star Joined: 5/7/13
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#214
Posted: 5/20/13 at 11:32amI was merely sharing an experience I had. Personally I think Christmas Story was the best show of the year. It had everything. Heart, charm, made you laugh, cry, remember the warm feelings of family. The over the top dance number with the cute little kid. I think it could have been extended and still done well. But since it is not going to win. I am behind Kinky.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#215
Posted: 5/20/13 at 12:37pm
Yeah, isn't it funny how the opinions of anonymous Tony voters always match the strongly stated opinions of the posters?
Agreed. Seriously?
"ALL of the 9 are voting for Kinky Boots?"
Seems legit.
And even if Kinky Boots does take home BM, there has to be a couple who will vote for another musical. Like I said, I think Matilda has a STRONG STRONG chase of winning. It's definitely a big standout because of the style of the show.
And how do the people who "claims that they know the voters" KNOW who they are when they're ANONYMOUS?
Updated On: 5/20/13 at 12:37 PM
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#216
Posted: 5/20/13 at 12:43pmI think what some people are saying about Matilda not living up to the hype it got is exactly what is going on. While Matilda in my opinion was still very charming and well performed I still found my self expecting more, to be blown away. However on the other side of it, Kinky Boots. I had no idea how Kinky Boots would do. I came in with no expectations, just thinking, if anything else it would give me something to do and I would have another show under my belt. When one goes in not expecting anything and it ends up being amazing, you tend to remember those ones a lot more. Fantastic show. Kinky Boots wins but both are worth seeing.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#217
Posted: 5/20/13 at 1:41pmIs Arizona Broadway Theatre the new name for the old Broadway Palm West (Prather) dinner theatre?
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#218
Posted: 5/20/13 at 1:58pm
Saw Matilda (twice, once in London and once here) and Kinky Boots. Put me in team Kinky. Matilda just didn't do it for me. The score was mediocre at best, the performances didn't wow me, save for Lesli and Bertie, and I thought the scurrying off into the sunset for Trunchbull's character (ostensibly the monstrous villain of the piece) completely took any bite out of the ending. What a middling denouement for the character set up as the bad gal.
Kinky Boots, on the other hand, I went in expecting to find complete crap and be another piece of Jerry Mitchell's usual fluff, but I was definitely wowed. Kinky Boots is one fierce, tight ship. The music was charming, both exactly what you'd expect from Lauper and completely surprising all at once, the performances were larger than life, bombastic in the best ways, and Billy Porter had the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised in any way if Matilda took it, but it's a closer race than many "Matilda" fans are giving credit for. Team Kinky.
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#219
Posted: 5/20/13 at 2:39pm
>> "And how do the people who "claims that they know the voters" KNOW who they are when they're ANONYMOUS?"
Their vote (ballot) is anonymously submitted. That doesn't mean the voters, themselves, are hiding under a blanket somewhere.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#220
Posted: 5/20/13 at 2:43pmUnless they're cold.
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#221
Posted: 5/20/13 at 2:44pm
>> "Unless they're cold."
I've heard them described as "heartless"... Same thing?
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#222
Posted: 5/20/13 at 6:08pm
Kelly2: I can't speak for the novel, but in the film adaption of Matilda, the events of Ms. Trunchbull fleeing happened exactly as the musical laid them out to be.
I can't honestly choose who I would like to see win - I enjoyed all four nominated shows, and find each to be charming and wonderful in their way. I adored Kinky Boots and was completely taken with Matilda, so either way, I'd be happy with the results of Best Musical. I would, however, like to see Kinky take score over Matilda, because despite having some wonderful numbers, some of the songs in Matilda didn't connect as well, while Kinky flowed very nicely.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#223
Posted: 5/20/13 at 6:14pm
Typical Tony voter.
KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?#224
Posted: 5/20/13 at 6:16pm
"I can't speak for the novel, but in the film adaption of Matilda, the events of Ms. Trunchbull fleeing happened exactly as the musical laid them out to be."
I'm aware, but I'm of the belief that adaptation can fix the dramatic flaws of the source material. What works onscreen or in writing does not necessarily work onstage, and IMO, with the heightened expectations of a musical, Trunchbull needed a more satisfying demise.
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