#226
Posted: 12/27/12 at 1:46pm
Hmmm.. were there gay Puerto Ricans in the French revolution?
Les Misérables: So, what did you think? — Page 10
#227
Posted: 12/27/12 at 1:48pm
There should have been. It would have added some much needed spice in this flick.
#228
Posted: 12/27/12 at 1:50pm
Yeah.. but then they probably would have cast Mark Anthony. And who the hell needs to see so much ugly?
#230
Posted: 12/27/12 at 3:03pm
It's not perfect but I really liked most of it. Crowe just seemed to back off of every note..like he was self-conscious about singing. His presence is strong but the singing came across as tentative. He seemed to be trying for subtle and quietly seething when at times he needed to be big. I missed the bigness of some of the music, especially in the first half. Still, as a fan who's seen it probably 25 times on stages all over the world..it's good to have it permanently captured. Makes me want to get back to London soon for the live experience.
#231
Posted: 12/27/12 at 4:06pm
Just got back from a noon screening in Pittsburgh; I was very surprised that the theatre was as full as it was (about 3/4).
Enjoyed the movie over all; thought the acting and design elements were quite solid. It was certainly a feast for the eyes.
I had issues with understanding lyrics (I think I would've had an extremely difficult time understanding what anybody was singing/saying if I didn't know the score so well already) and with the way the film was edited. One shot would sometimes move to another so quickly that I was unsure of the action that had just occurred in the former shot.
Regardless of its flaws, any form of mainstream media that brings musical theatre to a forefront gets high marks in my book!
Enjoyed the movie over all; thought the acting and design elements were quite solid. It was certainly a feast for the eyes.
I had issues with understanding lyrics (I think I would've had an extremely difficult time understanding what anybody was singing/saying if I didn't know the score so well already) and with the way the film was edited. One shot would sometimes move to another so quickly that I was unsure of the action that had just occurred in the former shot.
Regardless of its flaws, any form of mainstream media that brings musical theatre to a forefront gets high marks in my book!
I'll take the wind and soar.
Updated On: 12/27/12 at 04:06 PM
#232
Posted: 12/27/12 at 4:32pm
Can we revisit the aspect ratio issue?
It was weird seeing black bars at either side of the screen, such that it almost felt like watching a 4:3 movie. Why did they do this, and is this common for movies to do? (I.e. which other movies and musicals have done this recently?) I never really noticed it until this movie. I wondered if they made a mistake at my cinema..
Maybe in the past they have put the curtains in the right place so I haven't really noticed.
It was weird seeing black bars at either side of the screen, such that it almost felt like watching a 4:3 movie. Why did they do this, and is this common for movies to do? (I.e. which other movies and musicals have done this recently?) I never really noticed it until this movie. I wondered if they made a mistake at my cinema..
Maybe in the past they have put the curtains in the right place so I haven't really noticed.
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Updated On: 12/27/12 at 04:32 PM
#233
Posted: 12/27/12 at 5:16pm
I just got back from the movie and it was FANTASTIC. The scenery and the music were both beautiful.
Hugh Jackman was perfection as Jean Valjean. His acting and singing were excellent.
Anne Hathaway was just wonderful as Fantine. Her singing was absolutely lovely and she gave the character so much depth.
I also enjoyed Amanda Seyfried as Cosette. Her singing voice was pretty and this was one of the best acting performances that I have seen from her.
Russell Crowe's singing wasn't awful like Pierce Brosnan's was in 'Mamma Mia'. It just was not strong enough for the role like Gerard Butler's was not in 'The Phantom of the Opera'. His acting was fine though.
When I first heard that Samantha Barks was cast as Eponine I was a little disappointed because I wanted to see someone new in the role. But she was very good like she was in the 25th Anniversary Concert.
Eddie Redmayne and Aaron Tveit's performances were terrific and I thought Helena Bonham Carter and Sacha Baron Cohen were great villains.
I plan on seeing the film again with my friend this weekend and I am very much looking forward to it.
Hugh Jackman was perfection as Jean Valjean. His acting and singing were excellent.
Anne Hathaway was just wonderful as Fantine. Her singing was absolutely lovely and she gave the character so much depth.
I also enjoyed Amanda Seyfried as Cosette. Her singing voice was pretty and this was one of the best acting performances that I have seen from her.
Russell Crowe's singing wasn't awful like Pierce Brosnan's was in 'Mamma Mia'. It just was not strong enough for the role like Gerard Butler's was not in 'The Phantom of the Opera'. His acting was fine though.
When I first heard that Samantha Barks was cast as Eponine I was a little disappointed because I wanted to see someone new in the role. But she was very good like she was in the 25th Anniversary Concert.
Eddie Redmayne and Aaron Tveit's performances were terrific and I thought Helena Bonham Carter and Sacha Baron Cohen were great villains.
I plan on seeing the film again with my friend this weekend and I am very much looking forward to it.
Updated On: 12/27/12 at 05:16 PM
#234
Posted: 12/27/12 at 5:26pm
If you saw "black bars" on the sides, they didn't set the theatre right for displaying the proper "Academy flat" ratio of 1.85:1.
"Les Miz" was filmed that way, for some unknown reason for an "epic" of this scale. The two most common aspect ratios for modern films are 1.85:1 and 2.35:1, also known as CinemaScope.
Both are widescreen formats, but CinemaScope is the widest. Most action movies today or big adventure movies are shot in the wider format. It makes the movies feel more expansive and just plain "bigger."
Many smaller dramas and comedies still use the Academy ratio. Up until recently Spielberg also preferred this ratio. Of his earlier films, Jaws and Close Encounters used CinemaScope, but E.T., The Color Purple, Schindler's List, etc., all used the Academy flat ratio. And Woody Allen always shoots in this format. There are other "epic" movies, such as Out of Africa, that were shot Academy flat, not the wider CinemaScope.
There is an opinion by many directors that this ratio is better for actors and "acting." Audiences will focus more on the acting and less on the expansive scenery. I disagree with this. A good director and cinematographer can frame scenes and capture performances very well in the wider CinemaScope ratio.
Although, I will say that a majority of the Oscar-winning performances since the 1970s have come from Academy ratio films, not CinemaScope, so there may be something psychologically to that format.
"Les Miz" was filmed that way, for some unknown reason for an "epic" of this scale. The two most common aspect ratios for modern films are 1.85:1 and 2.35:1, also known as CinemaScope.
Both are widescreen formats, but CinemaScope is the widest. Most action movies today or big adventure movies are shot in the wider format. It makes the movies feel more expansive and just plain "bigger."
Many smaller dramas and comedies still use the Academy ratio. Up until recently Spielberg also preferred this ratio. Of his earlier films, Jaws and Close Encounters used CinemaScope, but E.T., The Color Purple, Schindler's List, etc., all used the Academy flat ratio. And Woody Allen always shoots in this format. There are other "epic" movies, such as Out of Africa, that were shot Academy flat, not the wider CinemaScope.
There is an opinion by many directors that this ratio is better for actors and "acting." Audiences will focus more on the acting and less on the expansive scenery. I disagree with this. A good director and cinematographer can frame scenes and capture performances very well in the wider CinemaScope ratio.
Although, I will say that a majority of the Oscar-winning performances since the 1970s have come from Academy ratio films, not CinemaScope, so there may be something psychologically to that format.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#235
Posted: 12/27/12 at 5:31pm
I loved seeing some West End actresses in the credits; Alison Jiear, Dianne Pilkington, and Linzi Hately, the first Carrie!
#236
Posted: 12/27/12 at 5:34pm
Could not agree with you, more. Crowe was a major disappointment. No expression whatsoever, and a very marginal voice. Loved Ann Hathaway, and Hugh Jackman.
#237
Posted: 12/27/12 at 5:41pm
"I loved seeing some West End actresses in the credits: Dianne Pilkington"
I read in previous articles that her 'Wicked' co-stars Kerry Ellis and Alexia Khadime were in the film but I did not know that she was a part of it as well.
I also forgot to mention in my previous post that the performances from the kids: Isabelle Allen, Daniel Huttlestone, and Natalya Angel Wallace were very good.
I read in previous articles that her 'Wicked' co-stars Kerry Ellis and Alexia Khadime were in the film but I did not know that she was a part of it as well.
I also forgot to mention in my previous post that the performances from the kids: Isabelle Allen, Daniel Huttlestone, and Natalya Angel Wallace were very good.
#238
Posted: 12/27/12 at 5:42pm
Crowe wasn't as bad as I worried he'd be - as was pointed out, at least this wasn't a Pierce Brosnan situation - but yeah, even next to Jackman, who was struggling with the upper range of Valjean, Crowe just didn't have the vocal expressiveness of a real musical theater performer. I did enjoy the hell out of "The Confrontation," though, because there was actual staging and things happening, which let Crowe and Jackman's acting come to the fore.
#239
Posted: 12/27/12 at 6:50pm
I do think that saying that Crowe "even next to Jackman" sounded bad underrates Jackman's singing ability. Jackman is a 'true' musical theatre singer who gave a good performance, even if it was slightly strained sometimes and not perfect. He is not a non-singer cast in a singing role. Crowe simply cannot sing.
(p.s. thanks for the explanation, bars).
(p.s. thanks for the explanation, bars).
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Updated On: 12/27/12 at 06:50 PM
#240
Posted: 12/27/12 at 6:51pm
Recently I have found myself thinking about possible edits that could have reduced the running time and tightened things up.
Suddenly- Yea I get the point they want a new song for Academy eligibility but still- cut ( 2.3 mins)
Red & the Black. Some may love this song- I'd have reduce a least a chorus and maybe a verse. Slows down sooo much. 20 secs cut
At least one verse out of Master of the House. U can barely make out the lyrics anyway as the Rube Goldberg version of larceny spins in front of u. 15 205 secs
The early case sequence in the streets- gut by 10 secs & we still get the msg.
Drink With me cut a chorus. 15- 20 sec
Valjeans's wanderings after release -we get it NObody want u! 10-15 sec.
Any Others? ( no wholesale butchery like cutting out ALL for Crowe's singing!)
Suddenly- Yea I get the point they want a new song for Academy eligibility but still- cut ( 2.3 mins)
Red & the Black. Some may love this song- I'd have reduce a least a chorus and maybe a verse. Slows down sooo much. 20 secs cut
At least one verse out of Master of the House. U can barely make out the lyrics anyway as the Rube Goldberg version of larceny spins in front of u. 15 205 secs
The early case sequence in the streets- gut by 10 secs & we still get the msg.
Drink With me cut a chorus. 15- 20 sec
Valjeans's wanderings after release -we get it NObody want u! 10-15 sec.
Any Others? ( no wholesale butchery like cutting out ALL for Crowe's singing!)
#241
Posted: 12/27/12 at 6:54pm
"Can we revisit the aspect ratio issue?"
Avengers was also filmed like that. It bothers me in the theater, yes, but once I own said film on dvd/bluray its a none issue since it generally fills my entire flatscreen.
Avengers was also filmed like that. It bothers me in the theater, yes, but once I own said film on dvd/bluray its a none issue since it generally fills my entire flatscreen.
#242
Posted: 12/27/12 at 6:55pm
I wish they would have sexed things up a little. At least when they were getting ready for the revolution.. maybe have some boys, shirtless, getting dressed. Maybe some getting out of bed after making love to their women for the last time. Just something to humanize them a little more. This was my only complaint. But I say this about everything.
#243
Posted: 12/27/12 at 6:57pm
So, sabrelady, you've cut less than four minutes from the film.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#244
Posted: 12/27/12 at 6:57pm
Yeah, even the prostitutes were sexless in this one. Ugly and sexless.
#245
Posted: 12/27/12 at 7:02pm
"I loved seeing some West End actresses in the credits: Dianne Pilkington"
I believe Katy Seacomb was also in the cast -- I think she was the woman with the red flag grabbed by Marius in one scene.
I believe Katy Seacomb was also in the cast -- I think she was the woman with the red flag grabbed by Marius in one scene.
#246
Posted: 12/27/12 at 7:06pm
Katy is also the daughter of Harry Seacomb, who played Mr. Bumble (brilliantly) in the movie "Oliver!"
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#247
Posted: 12/27/12 at 10:45pm
I loved it. Granted, I love Les Miserables anyway and will blindly enjoy any exposure to it, but I was pleased.
Anne Hathaway has never been a favorite of mine, but credit where it's due - she was phenomenal. The most honest Fantine I've ever seen.
I was also really surprised by Eddie Redmayne. I usually detest Marius and hate the fact that he's one of the few that survives, but I loved him in this and he turned "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" into a new favorite. He was charismatic, interesting...I can't rave about him enough.
Also impressive: Samantha Barks (she reminded me why I used to love Eponine so much), little Gavroche, Aaron Tveit (again reaffirming that Enjolras is actually the best character), Hugh Jackman (not perfect, but I was okay with him), and I actually really liked both SBC and HBC.
I didn't hate Russell Crowe - most of the time he acted it well enough that I could look past the voice. But "Stars" is my favorite song, so that hurt a bit. Amanda Seyfried was the only thing I truly hated. Cosette is tough to play, I assume - she generally doesn't get a big ballad like the others, nor much character development. But yikes. She couldn't sing it AT ALL. I usually like Amanda in other things, but I just can't with her in this.
Going back tomorrow...I expect I'll have a SLIGHTLY more critical eye this time around!
Anne Hathaway has never been a favorite of mine, but credit where it's due - she was phenomenal. The most honest Fantine I've ever seen.
I was also really surprised by Eddie Redmayne. I usually detest Marius and hate the fact that he's one of the few that survives, but I loved him in this and he turned "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" into a new favorite. He was charismatic, interesting...I can't rave about him enough.
Also impressive: Samantha Barks (she reminded me why I used to love Eponine so much), little Gavroche, Aaron Tveit (again reaffirming that Enjolras is actually the best character), Hugh Jackman (not perfect, but I was okay with him), and I actually really liked both SBC and HBC.
I didn't hate Russell Crowe - most of the time he acted it well enough that I could look past the voice. But "Stars" is my favorite song, so that hurt a bit. Amanda Seyfried was the only thing I truly hated. Cosette is tough to play, I assume - she generally doesn't get a big ballad like the others, nor much character development. But yikes. She couldn't sing it AT ALL. I usually like Amanda in other things, but I just can't with her in this.
Going back tomorrow...I expect I'll have a SLIGHTLY more critical eye this time around!
#248
Posted: 12/27/12 at 10:52pm
I'm mixed on it. The performances ranged from serviceable to wonderful, but I'm one of those people who just don't do well with nearly three hours of shaky-cam. I'll be able to watch it at home when it's released on blu ray and the screen is not filling my entire field of vision, but I certainly won't be a repeat viewer at the movies, as I don't need another bout of movie-induced motion sickness.
#249
Posted: 12/27/12 at 11:34pm
PBS is airing the 25th Anniversary concert right now. Norm Lewis as Javert - swoon.
#250
Posted: 12/28/12 at 1:35am
I havn't read the book but does/did Jean Valjean ever have any female company? And maybe the book explains how he got to be mayor,owned a factory--there seemed to be so many gaps-also with the students-I never questioned this with the stage show-maybe a movie is more 'in your face' and the gaps more obvious[to me]-maybe I SHOULD read the book.
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