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Liza book promotion chat
#100Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/2/26 at 5:54pm
Simon & Schuster sold signed Bob Dylan books back in 2022, complete with cert of authentication. $600 each. Turns out they were auto-pen.
#101Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/2/26 at 5:59pm
How terrible! I see they were issued refunds. If this is case (we will have to wait and see) I will definitely request a refund. But there's no use freaking out until the book is released.
#102Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/2/26 at 5:59pm
TotallyEffed said: "joevitus said: "Is such a certificate worth anything?"
Uhh, well, to lie about that would be an act of fraud, so."
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think autopen counts as legally valid so long as the named person authorizes it. Isn't that how POTUSes do it?
#103Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/2/26 at 6:53pm
TotallyEffed said: "Can we wait for confirmation of AI or autopen before freakingout?"
I mean, about the AI... it just is. They're never going to actually say that, but it clearly is. Again, I don't fault her for that if they're doing it with her consent, but with all of the duplicitous statements about the AI, it all feels kind of... shady.
#104Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/2/26 at 10:55pm
The instagram account posted a new AI message (over three minutes).
I don’t know if they really needed to include the “on March 12th, if I’m still here, and I fully intend to be” - Maybe that’s something Liza would or has said but it just felt odd hearing an artificial voice say it. ‘She’ also goes on about the Oscar situation again.
I was really excited about this last hurrah for Liza but the whole thing is bugging me. I sincerely hope there isn’t anything ill intended happening behind closed doors. I’m recalling Mickey Rooney and many others who were exploited by those closest to them in their later years.
On one hand, AI is ripe for exploiting people’s likeness and the coin of their fanbase…but on the other, maybe she really wants to work but this is the only feasible option? I feel guilty for being disheartened.
#105Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 9:20am
TotallyEffed said: "joevitus said: "Is such a certificate worth anything?"
Uhh, well, to lie about that would be an act of fraud, so."
I'm sure she stands a likely chance of being brought up on charges, lol.
#106Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 9:26am
TotallyEffed said: "How terrible! I see they were issued refunds. If thisiscase (we will have to wait and see) I will definitely request a refund. But there's no use freaking out until the book is released."
It's terrible in the sense that if people want a genuine autograph, they are getting shafted. It isn't about whether a refund is issued--and I suspect the size of the audience who want a Liza autograph is a tad smaller than those wanting one from Dylan, thus making it harder for those who are disappointed to have the issue addressed.
Celebrity autographs are, by their nature, objectively worthless. Their only worth is that the fan wants this momento, this direct connection to the celebrity. So it does suck to claim an autopen signature is "authenticated." It defeats the whole purpose of getting an autograph to begin with. And money back doesn't really make up for it. You must see that, whatever your defensiveness about Liza.
#107Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 10:01am
Y'never know, the signatures could be from her own hand. She was signing an autograph in that completely natural looking photo from the audio session.
#108Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 10:06am
Jay Lerner-Z said: "Y'never know, the signaturescouldbe from her own hand. She was signing an autograph in that completely natural looking photo from the audio session."
They could be and great if they are. But there's a big difference between signing an autograph vs. hundreds of copies of a book. John Green has talked about how painful it was signing the entire first edition of The Fault in Our Stars, and he was a young person at the time. Granted, Liza's memoir isn't likely having anywhere like that size of a print run, but it's still daunting. My point is that dismissing complaints if it happens with "You'll get your money back, sweetie," doesn't really address why people want an autograph in the first place.
#109Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 10:35am
Are you saying I’m being dismissive? How? I ordered a copy and hope it’s authentic. We don’t even know if there’s reason to suspect it will be autopen yet. I don’t get what you’re trying to say.
#110Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 10:38am
The only autograph I have ever found meaningful is one that I get from someone in person as a result of some kind of dialogue that includes me sharing personally my admiration for their work.
#111Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 10:45am
Premiere Collectibles claims that all its signed memorabilia is authentically and confirmed to be hand-signed. It’s certainly not implausible that Liza could sign a very limited number for one retailer. However, a number of other retailers like Barnes and Noble also are selling signed editions- those I would guess are are autopen.
Feinstein and Minnelli’s open embrace of and contracting with an AI company certainly poisons the well for anything they release, though.
#112Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 10:53am
I ordered my copy from Premiere and their certificate of authenticity is the one I mentioned.
#113Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 11:02am
Don't ticket-buyers for the March 21st event get a signed a book?
#114Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 11:07am
B&N and other sites offering signed copies. Both of the “In Conversation” events promoted a signed book with purchase. We’re talking easily tens of thousands of signed books going out.
Hilarry Duff is is hot water at the moment for this (as was Paris Hilton and others music artists) - not only did she offer signed copies, but promoted them with videos of her signing and talking about how sore her hand is, insisting she’s signing every single one, etc - every copy arrived is a blatant autopen and it barely matches the autograph she’s giving in person at promo events.
It’s just a gross cash grab and leaves fans turned off. Sure, we have no confirmation one way or the other yet*, but as TotallyEffed mentions, their love of AI opens up the possibility that other shortcuts are being taken. Hopefully not.
#115Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 11:07am
Yes, and the Carnegie Hall event as well.
#116Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 11:08am
QueenAlice said: "The only autograph I have ever found meaningful is one that I get from someone in person as a result of some kind of dialogue that includes me sharing personally my admiration for their work."
I wrote to Sondheim once and got his famous typed letter in response, complete with signature. Not in person, but I’m not in doubt of its authenticity. He even included a brand new signed Follies CD! I cherish it.
dan94
Stand-by Joined: 5/17/15
#117Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 11:59am
I'm going to take it as a good sign that Premiere Collectibles is sold out of signed copies of Liza's book. If those copies were autopen, there would be no reason for them to ever sell out. You can always fire up the pen and "sign" more.
The AI audio clips/audiobook are extremely disappointing. It sounds like Liza, but it has none of the wit or delivery Liza would have. You hear a written joke, yet it's delivered flatly. She would not deliver those words in that way. It would be one thing to use the technology to clear up some mispronunciations or speed up the tempo of her talking. But it's pretty lifeless.
I've seen people question every centimeter of the new Maybe Happy Ending artwork in the last 24 hours trying to figure out if it was AI. What I find fascinating, and possibly new ground, is that any use of AI does seem to open up the public to second guess and question every single move you make in perpetuity. Use it once in any instance, and you've permanently wrecked public trust.
#118Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 4:58pm
TotallyEffed said: "Are you saying I’m being dismissive? How? I ordered a copy and hope it’s authentic. We don’t even know if there’s reason to suspect it will be autopen yet. I don’t get what you’re trying to say.
To me, you sounded dismissive of somone worrying the autograph won't be real, yes. As if it's a minor issue that the publisher will resolve with a payback if it turns out to be fake.
I mean, I get your hoping the autograph is real, but do you really expect Liza to sign all those books when she clearly isn't in the best condition and likely gets exhausted easily? It seems improbable to me.
#119Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 5:18pm
I couldn’t be less dismissive - I am extremely invested in this whole affair if you read this thread. I’ve already spent plenty of money on this book launch.
#120Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 8:12pm
“I'm going to take it as a good sign that Premiere Collectibles is sold out of signed copies of Liza's book. If those copies were autopen, there would be no reason for them to ever sell out. You can always fire up the pen and "sign" more.”
Thats not really how it works. An author typically signs a set number of “tip in” pages that are bound into books during pressing. The publisher agrees on a number (10,000) with the author and those are distributed among the major retailers. These pages can be signed by hand or autopenned. Retailers all claim they are selling authentic items signed by hand. Honestly they might be unaware of a fraud.
It’s the internet sleuths that will find the autopen releases. Autograph hounds are rabid to sniff out fraud. Autopen is actually quite easy to spot. Duff and Hilton have a lot of bad blood with fans over their dishonesty. Hilton did the right thing. She refunded everyone’s money and you kept the albums. Duffs people are standing by the sigs even though they are clearly fake. Dolly Parton does autopen and her people don’t even respond to complaints. It’s disrespectful to fans.
The only difference with Premiere is they are selling bookplated editions which may mean Liza signed a stack of stickers. Barbra signed bookplates for Barnes and Noble and those are authentic. Bookplates can be auto penned too.
I ordered from Premiere and Barnes and Noble to compare. If they are fake I can return in store to Barnes and Noble. All online retailers are currently sold out.
I love Liza but her health may have prevented her from signing. She could also be sending out “secretarial” signatures which are real signatures close to hers done by others (possibly Feinstein). Lana Del Rey is known for having her sisters and father help her sign.
My books have shipped so we will see what we get.
Shirley Devore
Joined: 12/2/25
#121Liza memoir and promotion tour
Posted: 3/3/26 at 8:46pm
It also does not help that surrogates were fanning the flamewar and heaping invective on individual fans from their personal accounts.
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