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Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#225Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 12:27pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "binau said: "You are asking people to accept that Patti is a racist because her production team asked a show that is objectively loud to see if they could turn the volume down a little and also because she described the show as loud, which is objectively true. You can use that nice language and say "Speaking Truth to Power" all you want but this is not truth. That is YOUR truth, but it is not THE truth. And we are talking about THE truth. In other words, what is objectively happening not what is going on inside your minds. Just because something is going inside your mind doesn't make it actually true."
No I am not asking you to accept that Patti is racist. I am asking you to understand that her actions were microaggressive because of who they were against. The context of the spilling sound does not matter, because of the phrasing she used and the stereotypes inherent in that phrase of being "TOO LOUD". I'm saying it was unconscious bias, and white privilege which does NOT mean she is racist. You don't have to BE A RACIST to exhibit racist behavior."
OFFS -- get over yourself.
OhHiii
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/30/16
#226Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 12:44pm
It just truly BLOWS MY MIND that there are people still trying to say that everyone disagreeing with how this situation has played out are white. Entirely discredits anything these users are saying. This thread should be shut down. The accusations flying are absolutely out of bounds and false. We're really back to sharing a reading list?
Bottom line: shows have adjusted volume levels long before this instance. It was made into something that it demonstrably isn't. And Patti sent flowers as a thank you knowing that it was a burden to make the adjustments. Case closed. Nothing more to glean from it.
There is a cohort of people in this industry's fandom that will leap onto anything, particularly when it comes to Patti. This is no different. And the people accusing her of being racist are not to be taken seriously.
We wonder why people don't take racism seriously. It's because bs like THIS is crying wolf. It's ridiculous. I'll say it bluntly, the way Kecia approached this is ridiculous. If the roles were reversed and it was Patti's show that was being asked to turn down the volume (which has HAPPENED) and she made a social media video calling someone in a neighboring production anti-woman or anything of that nature, the same people crying foul here would be rooting for her cancellation....again. Deeply unserious.
thatdarnzach
Understudy Joined: 4/25/11
#227Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:06pm
And to dump metaphorical fuel on a very real fire...
I sat in the front row last night (AA 101) - 1) Kecia Lewis was out of the show [Rema Webb covered and absolutely wrecked me], and 2) the box office and the usher both warned us about extreme sound levels when they saw the seat I was assigned.
OhHiii
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/30/16
#228Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:07pm
thatdarnzach said: "And to dump metaphorical fuel on a very real fire...
I sat in the front row last night (AA 101) - 1) Kecia Lewis was out of the show [Rema Webb covered and absolutely wrecked me], and 2) the box office and the usher both warned us about extreme sound levels when they saw the seat I was assigned."
Well surely the usher and box office are also racist for telling you this!! SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THIS IS?!
MemorableUserName
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
#229Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:09pm
thatdarnzach said: "And to dump metaphorical fuel on a very real fire...
I sat in the front row last night (AA 101) - 1) Kecia Lewis was out of the show [Rema Webb covered and absolutely wrecked me], and 2) the box office and the usher both warned us about extreme sound levels when they saw the seat I was assigned."
Yep, I hope you told them both that is a racist microaggression and provided them with a reading list.
/s
#230Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:25pm
OhHiii said: "It just truly BLOWS MY MIND that there are peoplestilltrying to say that everyone disagreeing with how this situation has played out are white. Entirely discredits anything these users are saying. This thread should be shut down. The accusations flying are absolutely out of bounds and false. We're really back to sharing a reading list?
Bottom line: shows have adjusted volume levels long before this instance. It was made into something that it demonstrably isn't. And Patti sent flowers as a thank you knowing that it was a burden to make the adjustments. Case closed. Nothing more to glean from it.
There is a cohort of people in this industry's fandom that will leap onto anything, particularly when it comes to Patti. This is no different. And the people accusing her of being racist are not to be taken seriously.
We wonder why people don't takeracism seriously. It's because bs like THIS is crying wolf. It's ridiculous. I'll say it bluntly, the way Kecia approached this is ridiculous. If the roles were reversed and it was Patti's show that was being asked to turn down the volume (which has HAPPENED) and she made a social media video calling someone in a neighboring production anti-woman or anything of that nature, the same people crying foul here would be rooting for her cancellation....again. Deeply unserious."
This 
100%! Enough of this BS. Btw, HK is LOUD! You can hear how loud the show is in the Booth! Patti handled this professionally.......Kecia Lewis made this non issue racially microagressive! Shame on her.
"Anything you do, let it it come from you--then it will be new."
Sunday in the Park with George
#231Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:26pm
I think the majority of people understand acts of intentional and overt racism, but when it comes down to ideas like microaggressions and situations like this, you quickly become bogged down and get into the weeds and that is where people get confused or frustrated and ultimately check out. It's much harder to succinctly put forward and, frankly, is often dependent on individual feelings or specific situational circumstances rather than a universality people can quickly understand and apply. If it takes a bibliography of 10 books to fully understand, you've lost most people.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Updated On: 11/5/24 at 01:26 PM
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#232Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:29pm
It's also a shame that Audra, LaChanze, Kenny Leon, Maleah Joi Moon, and others have chosen to publicly hitch their wagons to the Kecia runaway train.
#233Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:36pm
JSquared2 said: "It's also a shame that Audra, LaChanze, Kenny Leon, Maleah Joi Moon, and others have chosen to publicly hitch their wagons to the Kecia runaway train."
Hmmm didn't realize that! Tells us something .......... and disappointed in Audra especially that she had to chime in over this nonsense!
"Anything you do, let it it come from you--then it will be new."
Sunday in the Park with George
#234Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:37pm
Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying that Patti calling the show loud to a random fan was a good move. It was flippant and snarky. But if Kecia was actually interested in Patti understanding why that interaction was interpreted as a microaggression, she would have talked to Patti privately or reached out to The Roommate's team to organize some sort of discussion. You don't create a teaching moment by hurling buzzwords at someone in public, like "microaggression" "privileged" and "bully". Even if you think those descriptors are accurate, it's not how you get someone to listen to the substance of your argument.
Instead, she made a public call-out/cancellation post. The post seems purely designed to make an example of Patti, not build community. Kecia edited video to make the stage door incident look worse than it was. She omitted that The Roommate's backstage team and audience were (allegedly) also impacted by the noise, and that Mia also (allegedly) sent flowers. She demanded a public apology after riling up her fans and friends, all but guaranteeing that any apology would be scrutinized to death and not accepted. She cut off the avenue for a private apology or discussion by showing that she is willing to immediately post about it on social media.
OharaFosseWolfe888
Swing Joined: 5/3/24
#235Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 1:53pm
JSquared2 said: "It's also a shame that Audra, LaChanze, Kenny Leon, Maleah Joi Moon, and others have chosen to publicly hitch their wagons to the Kecia runaway train."
Damn shame, Black people support each other. You right,
Another interpretation of these people "hitching their wagons" to Kecia is that there is a wide consensus that what she said was the truth, that what she said is something that has gone unsaid for too long (or rather, said over and over again and shushed by the "proper" theatergoers in the orchestra) and that there is a collective appreciation from other Black theatermakers and they are showing support because they know that Kecia's frustration speaks to a larger, deeper and consistently disregarded truth in the American theatre: the white artist can say/do/defend whatever they want with impunity because they are more often than not upheld by the cis gay white men who enjoy every other ease when it comes to the great, white way.
#236Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 2:02pm
Audra is just jealous that Patti got a tony for Gypsy while she is going to lose to Nicole. JOKING.
Anyway, I don’t care about this madness anymore. If a small number of people would rather create war against others because they think objective truth is offensive to them so be it. I’m on the side of truth, and you can scream and cry all you like but if we can’t call a show that is objectively LOUD, LOUD - then I want no part in this religious cult anymore.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
verywellthensigh
Leading Actor Joined: 6/14/22
#237Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 2:27pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "verywellthensigh said: "Nothing in the DiAngelo/Kendi approach to race has proven to be effective in combatting racism. All it's done is fatten the wallets of the consultancy class and increase white guilt, which does nothing."
Categorically false and untrue, there are many white people I know personally who have learned and made real growth and progress from many of those books. White guilt is okay if used for fueled and put into action to make the world a better place. It would no longer be guilt then but active energy used to DO SOMETHING to make the world more equitable.
This is anecdotal. There is no hard evidence.
#238Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 2:34pm
This thread represents the current insanity in America.
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
Ensemble1698878795
Chorus Member Joined: 11/1/23
#239Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 2:44pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "JSquared2 said: "It's also a shame that Audra, LaChanze, Kenny Leon, Maleah Joi Moon, and others have chosen to publicly hitch their wagons to the Kecia runaway train."
Damn shame, Black people support each other. You right,
Another interpretation of these people "hitching their wagons" to Kecia is that there is a wide consensus that what she said was the truth, that what she said is something that has gone unsaid for too long (or rather, said over and over again and shushed by the "proper" theatergoersin the orchestra) and that there is a collective appreciation from other Black theatermakers and they are showing support because they know that Kecia's frustration speaks to a larger, deeper and consistently disregarded truth in the American theatre: the white artist can say/do/defend whatever they want with impunity because they are more often than not upheld by the cis gay white men who enjoy every other ease when it comes to the great, white way."
It has become abundantly clear that the majority of people on this board are more interested in POC being quiet, performing for them and being void of any human emotion. It is impossible to engage here because there's no accountability. I hope Ms. Lewis's TV show is a huge success and she never has to return to Broadway because she deserves much better than the racist vitriol that is championed by this pathetic "community."
#240Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 2:58pm
Genuine question, if Patti said "the volume of the show is too loud" or "the amplification of the show is excessive" would that still be a micro aggression or is it the sharp quick way of saying it's too loud that is the micro aggression?
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
verywellthensigh
Leading Actor Joined: 6/14/22
#241Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 3:09pm
Calling flowers bullying is not "any human emotion" but ok.
OharaFosseWolfe888
Swing Joined: 5/3/24
#242Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 3:11pm
binau said: "Genuine question, if Patti said "the volume of the show is too loud" or "the amplification of the show is excessive" would that still be a micro aggression or is it the sharp quick way of saying it's too loud that is the micro aggression?
Yes. And Yes.
#243Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 3:18pm
Ok, let me ask another way then: how can Patti comment on the objective sound levels of Hell's Kitchen without micro aggressing? Your response seems to suggest that it is not possible. It almost sounds like you're saying that Patti isn't even allowed to comment on objective reality in any way without committing racist behaviour. Can't you see how mad that is?
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#244Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/5/24 at 3:30pm
JSquared2 said: "It's also a shame that Audra, LaChanze, Kenny Leon, Maleah Joi Moon, and others have chosen to publicly hitch their wagons to the Kecia runaway train."
what's this in reference to?
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#245Kecia Lewis called out by Broadway community for bullying. Calls out sick.
Posted: 11/5/24 at 3:32pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "JSquared2 said: "It's also a shame that Audra, LaChanze, Kenny Leon, Maleah Joi Moon, and others have chosen to publicly hitch their wagons to the Kecia runaway train."
Damn shame, Black people support each other. You right,
Another interpretation of these people "hitching their wagons" to Kecia is that there is a wide consensus that what she said was the truth, that what she said is something that has gone unsaid for too long (or rather, said over and over again and shushed by the "proper" theatergoersin the orchestra) and that there is a collective appreciation from other Black theatermakers and they are showing support because they know that Kecia's frustration speaks to a larger, deeper and consistently disregarded truth in the American theatre: the white artist can say/do/defend whatever they want with impunity because they are more often than not upheld by the cis gay white men who enjoy every other ease when it comes to the great, white way."
Fixed the headline for you.
OhHiii
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/30/16
#246Kecia Lewis called out by Broadway community for bullying. Calls out sick.
Posted: 11/5/24 at 3:50pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "binau said: "Genuine question, if Patti said "the volume of the show is too loud" or "the amplification of the show is excessive" would that still be a micro aggression or is it the sharp quick way of saying it's too loud that is the micro aggression?
Yes. And Yes.
"
Absolute absurdity.
MemorableUserName
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
#247Kecia Lewis called out by Broadway community for bullying. Calls out sick.
Posted: 11/5/24 at 4:03pm
Guess that means that when the HK box office and ushers warn the audience about the volume, it really is a microaggression. Seems like the show has a bigger problem than Lupone then.
The microaggression is COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!
JasonC3
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/22/21
#248Kecia Lewis called out by Broadway community for bullying. Calls out sick.
Posted: 11/5/24 at 4:15pm
Ensemble1698878795 said: "It has become abundantly clear that the majority ofpeople on this board are more interested in POC being quiet, performing for them and being void of any human emotion. It is impossible to engage here because there's no accountability. I hope Ms. Lewis's TV show is a huge success and she never has to return to Broadway because she deserves much better than the racist vitriol that is championed by this pathetic "community.""
The few dozen people active on this thread hardly represent a majority of the people on this board.
#249Kecia Lewis called out by Broadway community for bullying. Calls out sick.
Posted: 11/5/24 at 4:49pm
Is it a microaggression when my next door neighbor plays loud music and I walk over and ask them to turn it down? Or should I make a video about it and post it on Instagram next time?
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