AC126748 said: "If that is true -- and I have no reason to doubt you, growly -- this board will be worse for it.
I was thinking it'll be nicer. He was the nastiest and rudest person on here.
Just for the record: you (ClydeBarrow) weren't the first person to make the comment which has blown this whole thing up.
The origin of said comment came from a genuine poster who asked if a certain character in Memphis was supposed to be [redacted].
They were asking if the character was written that way, or if it was an actor's choice, or if wasn't meant to be at all and they misinterpreted what the actor was going for. It didn't start as a nasty thing that was said to make fun of the actor and it was never said to belittle those who have a certain disability.
Well, for anyone who cares, I also left the board. My reason was because of the number of mean spirited and angry posters. It's no longer fun to be subjected to them. There is enough negativity in life that we can't do anything about, so I eliminate what I can. Who needs it?
It was fun while it was fun!
I love so much of that Doodle just said.
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Petralicious said: "A good part of the people who get into arts, are sensitive, shy, awkward people. In a world where there are safe zones in university, and opposing views are shut down, where little boys are suspended for giving little girls flowers in 2nd grade, to be insulted and mocked personally and publicly must be very hard and distressing. Anti-Bully movement is everywhere you turn. this is environment we live and I am sure these people have had enough. It may even have given them flashbacks to rough times in HS"
Online communities like this require said people to actually click a link or two to access, while "bullying" is by definition always direct. Again the question is raised: Why can't these thin-skinned performers then just ignore the many corners of the internet? Murin said something about "in my face" concerning threads about Nerds, but then she admitted to actively looking for negative posts! Pathetic. If people were directly tweeting her that her performance was crap? Sure, that can be seen as "bullying." But my opinion about a bunch of Broadway performers have sure been brought down several notches lately, and that's just sad. Good job, Patti Murin.
I feel the same way that taz does in that I think little will actually change around here except for a stronger presence from the moderators, and that's all well and good. The real change is a personal one. A sadness that I see some of my favorite performers/Deutsch in a different, more unfavorable light and that I have less of an enthusiasm to post here. Hopefully these things will mend over time, but it's been a sad week for me.
The real change is a personal one. A sadness that I see some of my favorite performers/Deutsch in a different, more unfavorable light and that I have less of an enthusiasm to post here. Hopefully these things will mend over time, but it's been a sad week for me.
One of the main reasons I've never been a stage door person (aside from the fact that standing around in the cold for hours after a show isn't my cup of tea) is because I never wanted to have a negative personal encounter with a performer color my impression of his or her work. Unfortunately, that has happened multiple times over the last few days, as Whizzer describes. It's sad.
This is the very definition of a tempest in a teapot. One message board on one website. Taking it on is, in the words of Steven Pasquale, "shooting fish in a barrel."
Whizzer said: "The real change is a personal one. A sadness that I see some of my favorite performers/Deutsch in a different, more unfavorable light and that I have less of an enthusiasm to post here. Hopefully these things will mend over time, but it's been a sad week for me. "I understand this feeling. I often feel this way toward performer when they too out there with their political opinions. I wonder if their agents, management are looking out for them because this earth is so divided on most issues, that if you're loud in your opinion, you are going to colour 1/2 your audience aginst you. Whether you are Clint Eastwood or Sean Penn or Leo Decaprio. I tell myself I will boycott. But really I hurt myself more than them and I do not.
FYI, Petralicious, that quote you are attributing to me isn't mine. Whizzer said it. I saw quoting him, just to be clear.
AC126748 said: "FYI, Petralicious, that quote you are attributing to me isn't mine. Whizzer said it. I saw quoting him, just to be clear.
"Apology and corrected
I respect those of you who have decided not to participate on the board anymore but I will ask this: Why are you giving that much power to the opinions of a handful of performers and letting that be a factor in doing so?
All Rob has asked of us is that we be more diligent and respectful in our posts, to each other and to the performers we are discussing. He's not prohibiting us from posting our opinions regardless of whether we like or dislike a show and/or performer.
I think that's fair.
c'mon, people. if i was able to manage to keep going, y'all really should. even if i am just here to ogle carlos.
I tried to be clear in my post...although I never said I was leaving, I just can't see how this taints the whole board, at least to me. It's just uncomfortable, at least for now.
In the end you have to do what is right for you doodle.
and papa...ogling me is good enough reason to stay.
Cara Joy David does a great job looking at the current landscape:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cara-joy-david/thinking-through-broadway_b_9461234.html
You make a good point, Carlos, thanks. I have put a few of those who I object to on ignore. As for the rest, I usually just feel sorry for their pain, and figure it's cheaper to vent on here than anywhere else. It just wasn't fun to post here lately. But you never know what will happen.
Thanks Jane2. i would hate for you not to post anymore. You are and always have been one of my favorite posters on BWW.
Jane2 said: "You make a good point, Carlos, thanks. I have put a few of those who I object to on ignore. As for the rest, I usually just feel sorry for their pain, and figure it's cheaper to vent on here than anywhere else. It just wasn't fun to post here lately. But you never know what will happen.
"When i first sign up I was warned to stay away from some posters by other posters, ironically the 3 posters I was warned about were the ones who have been suspended. and no, i did not report. It made me not want to post anymore but I just ignored them.
and the same back to you, Carlos.
From Craig's link:
I have a friend who produced a show in a tight Tony battle last year. She has had a message board name for years, occasionally using it to promote her shows. Last year she attacked the show against her show pretty hard. She was one of the first people to call me applauding Ms. Murin and her post. Of course, there are people who are solely anti-message board. I am not suggesting everyone is two-faced. I'm not even suggesting my friend is two-faced, just simply that she has selective amnesia regarding her own transgressions.
We're all guilty of selective amnesia. The difference is who is willing to admit it and look more closely at the issue and who will just turn Trump-like and refuse to see that there is more to the situation at hand.
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Part of what makes this board a treasure is the shady references people make in discussions. I'm not saying that allows us to be downright horrible to someone but that's why people keep coming back. We have very colorful and diverse discussions. I love this board. I will not leave, but I refuse to walk on eggshells about something I may say. It's ridiculous. We deserve the right to say how we feel and what we think. I do think we can all try to be a little more sensitive to certain situations. Sorry for the jumbled post y'all.
Updated On: 3/14/16 at 02:15 PM
Ms. Joy brushes up against an important thing to remember – the notion that the “positives” can exist without the “negatives” is preposterous. You can’t isolate aspects of discussion and pretend they appeared spontaneously, from a vacuum. Even though I think he’s been far, far too generous to and easy on Ms. Murin, Rob’s promises of better – or, at least, more specific – moderation in order to allow the positives to continue to develop out of this interplay, while paring back the more egregious negatives, seem well-intended, and many of you have been quick to pat him on the back for that.
But given that PRS asked for an account deletion and instead was locked out, Namo received none of the promised warnings before being suspended, and Margo’s posts in this very thread remained untouched after being reported by multiple users, I’m having a hard team not seeing these promises as empty words and political jockeying, so much so that I still feel the need to screen-cap this very post, in case it gets me an unceremonious suspension, as well.
themysteriousgrowl - It is not our intent in any way to interfere with free speech, disagreements, or anything of the like. A few posts have been removed in this thread that crossed those lines, and if you feel that we missed any (always possible), please PM me with the specifics.
And, we formalized our policies late in the weekend regarding warnings and suspensions to make them open, clear and fair for all. No one was intentionally singled out, and we're not going backwards on material. Nothing you've just posted in any way violates any sort of guidelines, and neither you nor anyone else needs to worry about random, surprise or unceremonious suspensions either.
Your feedback is appreciated, as is yours and anyone else's help in keeping us on top of things.
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