Tootsie- worst musical of the year — Page 2

Ive taken the time to listen to some of Hadestown, it seems good, but not at all great? After listening Im like oh this is good but I don't quite see the hype. Especially hearing reviews the leads don't have much of an arc, how is that a good show then? I haven't seen it so Im not pre judging, but someone who may buy a ticket thinks of these things.

I chose Tootsie over Hadestown. Seems like a more wholesome show to me. Plus, love myself a good comedy.

I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical.

Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke.Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it."

You gather incorrectly. In the movie, Michael Dorsey has a definite arc, mainly owing to his relationship with Julie, which is far more significant than in the musical, and with her father, who isn't even a character in the show.

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magictodo123 said: "CT2NYC said: "Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke.Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it."

You gather incorrectly. In the movie, Michael Dorsey has a definite arc, mainly owing to his relationship with Julie, which is far more significant than in the musical, and her father, who isn't even a character in the show."

This may be an incredibly silly question, but do you think the musical is just playing for as many laughs as It can get, rather than for Michael to actually seem human and redeem himself in the end for all the pain he caused everyone?"

Well, like I said, I haven't seen the show so Im not sure. But lets not act like this would be the first comedy ever to just play for laughs and not focus on much character development at all. Not that crazy of a question.

dramamama611 said: "I never would want to change your opinion. But I give you permission to have hated it and begin your healing process."

LMAO. dead.

Skip23 said: "This is THEIR opinion. Yes, they have as much right as anyone else to post THEIR opinion."

Anyone who thinks their one opinion deserves to stand alone in its own thread will always rile people up on here, moreso than if it were posted in the Tootsie Reviews thread where it belongs...

The OP is obviously a Hadestown producer trying to spread a bad narrative on the boards against the show that is its main competition this year at the Tony’s, in hopes to influence some voters if they’re even here.

You think they joined a year ago and discussed many other topics just waiting for this precise moment to engage their plan of sinking Tootsie at the Tonys (no apostrophe) via the power of a BWW message board topic? If so, that's one of the weirdest producers I've ever heard of.

Tootsie isn't the worst musical of the year. That is all.

I think more people should be forced to sit through off-off-off Broadway shows or fringe festivals so they can find out what truly bad theatre is really like.

Or just come see 75% of the theatre in Chicago. You don't truly know bad theatre until you've attended a BYOB midnight performance of a musical satire of a TV show/cult film written and performed by a group of college friends who love to sit around and talk about how funny they are (tip: do not ever invite Second City improv students to a party). Or a musical called Enter Love that is nothing but cliched treacle set in an airport terminal (I dubbed it "Exit Me" when I left at intermission). And if you ever had to sit through Amelia Earhart Jungle Princess, your perspective on Chicago as being the theatre haven second only to Broadway may be forever changed for the worse.

I loved it!



Beetlejuice was BLECH

jdrye222 said: "And as someone who only randomly comes on here to actually post anything, I will never understand why people get SO upset about a new thread ..... Personally I find it annoying to have to see months-old subject lines reappear with posts from 2013 I need to scroll through. I’d PREFER a fresh thread usually."

Well, it is messier for every person to think their opinion merits its own spotlight, as opposed to seeing them all in one place. As opposed to them all being in one place. Previews in the previews thread, and reviews (once a show opens) in the reviews thread.

Plus, it's a less interesting conversation, since everyone who already shared their opinion in those places weighs in again here. If Whizzer and such don't think they merit their own thread when they see nearly every show, then that same system should work for everyone. Not to mention, the people who post new threads always seem to be posting why something is the best or the worst, so just attention-seeking...

Do you think it might be possible---if you are responding to a looooooooooong post, just quote the posters name. Saves a hell of a lot of scrolling, for sometimes just a few words.

Just a thought.

jdrye222 said: "Hey guys — did you know that you have the option to NOT click on the post if it’s not something you feel like reading???"

Yes, but some threads are like train wrecks, you can’t help but watch to see what happens and respond.

Either way, that click bait title was starving to be challenged, and certainly Tootsie isn't the absolute worst. I thought that was Be More Chill?

And when Beetlejuice sweeps all the categories it’s been nominated in you’ll all be surprised. You heard it here first! Hehehehe.