Tootsie- worst musical of the year- Page 2

[WestCoastActor/Director]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 2:56am

Enjoyed it immensely. You don't like it that's your privilege but what the hell do we have to talk to you about it for?

Go cry to your mascara runs off your face.

[Playbill_Trash]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 6:59am

The OP is obviously a Hadestown producer trying to spread a bad narrative on the boards against the show that is its main competition this year at the Tony’s, in hopes to influence some voters if they’re even here. He or she even brought up the ridiculous claim that the cast looks like they’d rather be in Hadestown to make it seem like it’s the only show worth being in. How would you know what they’re thinking let alone something so specific?

Sorry, OP, that your show is just an angsty Schoolhouse Rock for Greek mythology, answering questions no one asked.

No matter what you try to spread here, you’ll soon see that after the spring buzz settles down people will realize that your show is both spineless and toothless. And whether or not it wins best musical, it will have a shorter run than Fun Home and The Band’s Visit because people will realize it’s not worth seeing.

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 7:35am

Ive taken the time to listen to some of Hadestown, it seems good, but not at all great? After listening Im like oh this is good but I don't quite see the hype. Especially hearing reviews the leads don't have much of an arc, how is that a good show then? I haven't seen it so Im not pre judging, but someone who may buy a ticket thinks of these things. 

I chose Tootsie over Hadestown. Seems like a more wholesome show to me. Plus, love myself a good comedy. 

[Skip23]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 7:54am

“Loves myself a good comedy”

Uh...Beetlejuice, anyone?

My fave of this year’s musicals.

Prom second (comedy)
Chill third. (comedy)

[magictodo123]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 8:12am

I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical. 

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 9:08am

magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke. Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it. 

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 9:40am

Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke.Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it."

You gather incorrectly. In the movie, Michael Dorsey has a definite arc, mainly owing to his relationship with Julie, which is far more significant than in the musical, and with her father, who isn't even a character in the show.

Updated On: 5/20/19 at 09:40 AM

[magictodo123]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 9:48am

CT2NYC said: "Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke.Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it."

You gather incorrectly. In the movie, Michael Dorsey has a definite arc, mainly owing to his relationship with Julie, which is far more significant than in the musical, and her father, who isn't even a character in the show."

This may be an incredibly silly question, but do you think the musical is just playing for as many laughs as It can get, rather than for Michael to actually seem human and redeem himself in the end for all the pain he caused everyone? 

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 9:57am

magictodo123 said: "CT2NYC said: "Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke.Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it."

You gather incorrectly. In the movie, Michael Dorsey has a definite arc, mainly owing to his relationship with Julie, which is far more significant than in the musical, and her father, who isn't even a character in the show."

This may be an incredibly silly question, but do you think the musical is just playing for as many laughs as It can get, rather than for Michael to actually seem human and redeem himself in the end for all the pain he caused everyone?"

Well, like I said, I haven't seen the show so Im not sure. But lets not act like this would be the first comedy ever to just play for laughs and not focus on much character development at all. Not that crazy of a question. 

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 10:14am

magictodo123 said: "CT2NYC said: "Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "I think that while the characters of Hadestown don't have much of an arc, the problem that people have with Tootsie is that Michael doesn't change. He thinks by dressing as a woman, it automatically means people who find out will think he changed for good, but once you take him back out of the dress once he's exposed, what has he learned? Has he truly changed? Does he even have an arc? That's one of the many problems people have with this musical."

Haven't seen the show so I can't fully comment, but, isn't it a comedy? I feel part of the joke is that the guy is an ass, considering he's taken jobs away form other women and is dressing up like one in the first place. Again, haven't seen the movie or play, but from what I gather thats just part of the running joke.Hadestown being a love story id certainly expect some sort of arc to come from it."

You gather incorrectly. In the movie, Michael Dorsey has a definite arc, mainly owing to his relationship with Julie, which is far more significant than in the musical, and her father, who isn't even a character in the show."

This may be an incredibly silly question, but do you think the musical is just playing for as many laughs as It can get, rather than for Michael to actually seem human and redeem himself in the end for all the pain he caused everyone?"

Yes, the musical focuses mainly on the comedy, to its detriment. In the movie, Julie is a wounded character. She's dating her emotionally abusive director and she has a mild drinking problem, while raising an infant daughter as a single mother. Dorothy Michaels gives her the confidence to better her life, so, when she finds out that she's been lied to, it's devastating. If they didn't want to go that route, I get it, but, as someone who loves the original film, I thought that the show lacked any kind of heart. 

Updated On: 5/20/19 at 10:14 AM

[getupngo]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 11:47am

dramamama611 said: "I never would want to change your opinion. But I give you permission to have hated it and begin your healing process."

LMAO. dead.

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 2:04pm

"In the movie, Julie is a wounded character. She's dating her emotionally abusive director and she has a mild drinking problem, while raising an infant daughter as a single mother. Dorothy Michaels gives her the confidence to better her life, so, when she finds out that she's been lied to, it's devastating." 

I love the movie, as well. One of my favorite comedies. But live theater is different. I can understand why the producers decided to drop that plot line, based on your above description alone. The musical is a satirical farce. It has a completely different tone than the movie. That's what I don't think a lot of people are getting. They expected the movie with songs.

[haterobics]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 2:15pm

Skip23 said: "This is THEIR opinion. Yes, they have as much right as anyone else to post THEIR opinion."

Anyone who thinks their one opinion deserves to stand alone in its own thread will always rile people up on here, moreso than if it were posted in the Tootsie Reviews thread where it belongs...

[Kad]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 2:27pm

I think more people should be forced to sit through off-off-off Broadway shows or fringe festivals so they can find out what truly bad theatre is really like. 

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 3:16pm

The OP is obviously a Hadestown producer trying to spread a bad narrative on the boards against the show that is its main competition this year at the Tony’s, in hopes to influence some voters if they’re even here.

You think they joined a year ago and discussed many other topics just waiting for this precise moment to engage their plan of sinking Tootsie at the Tonys (no apostrophe) via the power of a BWW message board topic?  If so, that's one of the weirdest producers I've ever heard of.

Tootsie isn't the worst musical of the year.  That is all.

I think more people should be forced to sit through off-off-off Broadway shows or fringe festivals so they can find out what truly bad theatre is really like.

Or just come see 75% of the theatre in Chicago.  You don't truly know bad theatre until you've attended a BYOB midnight performance of a musical satire of a TV show/cult film written and performed by a group of college friends who love to sit around and talk about how funny they are (tip: do not ever invite Second City improv students to a party).  Or a musical called Enter Love that is nothing but cliched treacle set in an airport terminal (I dubbed it "Exit Me" when I left at intermission).  And if you ever had to sit through Amelia Earhart Jungle Princess, your perspective on Chicago as being the theatre haven second only to Broadway may be forever changed for the worse.

[LuPita2]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 3:41pm

My fave of this year’s musicals. 

Prom second (comedy) 
Chill third. (comedy) 

Ohhh....you think BMC is actually good......That explains it all.  

[lightguy06222]

Posted: 5/20/19 at 4:20pm

I loved it!

 

Beetlejuice was BLECH

[jdrye222]

Posted: 5/21/19 at 5:39pm

Hey guys — did you know that you have the option to NOT click on the post if it’s not something you feel like reading???
And as someone who only randomly comes on here to actually post anything, I will never understand why people get SO upset about a new thread ..... Personally I find it annoying to have to see months-old subject lines reappear with posts from 2013 I need to scroll through. I’d PREFER a fresh thread usually.
And as for their “status”, I’m confused..... Until you said that I did not even know what mine was. What does it get you?

[haterobics]

Posted: 5/21/19 at 5:49pm

jdrye222 said: "And as someone who only randomly comes on here to actually post anything, I will never understand why people get SO upset about a new thread ..... Personally I find it annoying to have to see months-old subject lines reappear with posts from 2013 I need to scroll through. I’d PREFER a fresh thread usually."

Well, it is messier for every person to think their opinion merits its own spotlight, as opposed to seeing them all in one place. As opposed to them all being in one place. Previews in the previews thread, and reviews (once a show opens) in the reviews thread.

Plus, it's a less interesting conversation, since everyone who already shared their opinion in those places weighs in again here. If Whizzer and such don't think they merit their own thread when they see nearly every show, then that same system should work for everyone. Not to mention, the people who post new threads always seem to be posting why something is the best or the worst, so just attention-seeking... 

[broadwaysfguy]

Posted: 5/21/19 at 8:02pm

surprised how many posters i really respect took the bait on this troll post.

darn i guess i took it too by clicking this link.

[SweetLips22]

Posted: 5/21/19 at 10:07pm

Do you think it might be possible---if you are responding to a looooooooooong post, just quote the posters name. Saves a hell of a lot of scrolling, for sometimes just a few words.

Just a thought.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/22/19 at 9:36am

Hey guys — did you know that you have the option to NOT click on the post if it’s not something you feel like reading??? 

Really?  We do?  Gosh, you're smart!

[dmwnc1959]

Posted: 5/22/19 at 10:31am

jdrye222 said: "Hey guys — did you know that you have the option to NOT click on the post if it’s not something you feel like reading???"

Yes, but some threads are like train wrecks, you can’t help but watch to see what happens and respond.

Either way, that click bait title was starving to be challenged, and certainly Tootsie isn't the absolute worst. I thought that was Be More Chill? 

And when Beetlejuice sweeps all the categories it’s been nominated in you’ll all be surprised. You heard it here first! Hehehehe.

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 5/22/19 at 11:00am

I don't think this thread is clickbait or a troll post, at all. As far meeting my expectations is concerned, Tootsie is the most disappointing musical I saw this season. I didn't expect Gettin' the Band Back Together, King Kong, or Pretty Woman to be great, and they weren't, but Tootsie really let me down. Of course, "worst" is subjective, but I understand that more than people saying it's "hilarious." 

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 5/22/19 at 11:06am

jdrye222, some some posters are so crap at subject lines that you can't always tell from the thread title what it's even about. Hence the "don't read it if you don't like it" rule can't be applied all the time.