Universal's WICKED Films - News & Discussion Thread- Page 101

[dramamama611]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 11:54am

I had the opposite opinion: I was more impressed with Grande than Erivo.  I found Erivo's choices very safe.   It probably didn't help that my expectations for Grande were fairly low.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 12:14pm

Didn’t the Golden Globes lose ALL credibility a couple of years ago? What little they had, anyway. 
News of that reached even me under my rock.

We care only in terms of Oscar predictions, right?

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 12:24pm

Madonna won a Golden Globe. For Evita.

[WldKingdomHM]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 12:25pm

After finishing Emilia Pérez, Zoe is def taking “some” awards and hoping Ariana takes some home also but Zoe as best featured actress? Nope ! She should def be in the lead 

My vote is for Ariana

Updated On: 12/9/24 at 12:25 PM

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 12:30pm

WldKingdomHM said: "After finishingEmilia Pérez, Zoe is def taking those awards and hoping Ariana takes some home also but Zoe asbest featured actress? Nope ! She should def be in the lead"

 

So should Ariana.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 12:35pm

Category fraud sucks.

[KevinKlawitter]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 1:11pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Didn’t the Golden Globes lose ALL credibility a couple of years ago? What little they had, anyway.
News of that reached even me under my rock.

We care only in terms of Oscar predictions, right?"

The Globes also overhauled their voting body, among other things in response to the controversy. That said, nominating Pamela Anderson instead of Marianne Jean-Baptiste, Selena Gomez and Isabella Rossellini instead of Danielle Deadwyler, and snubbing Sing Sing outside of Colman Domingo all feel like classic Globes moves.

[uncageg]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 1:46pm

dramamama611 said: "I had the opposite opinion: I was more impressed with Grande than Erivo. I found Erivo's choices very safe. It probably didn't help that my expectations for Grande were fairly low."

 

I totally agree and have been trying to come up with the word for Erivo's performance. Safe. It hit me during "The Wizard and I". It was supposed to be a joyful moment for Elphaba and I just wasn't feeling it. Of, course she sang the heck out of it but her performance as a whole was fine but did not feel award worthy to me.(And maybe it was a directorial choice) Grande's did, and I predicted she would get a Golden Globe nomination, which she truly deserves in my opinion. I will be shocked if Erivo wins (I expect Demi Moore will take it). I do expect Grande to win. We will see! JMO

 

Updated On: 12/9/24 at 01:46 PM

[chrishuyen]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 2:06pm

To be fair, I didn't feel that the staging (or whatever you call it for a film) for Wizard and I really helped her that much.  It seemed mostly just there to show off more of the set until she ran through the wheat field (which also seemed a little random?), and felt more like a music video than a character moment.

I thought Ariana Grande had a more dynamic performance, but that's also part of the role itself, and I actually felt that Cynthia Erivo was the one that benefitted more in the shared scenes.

[KevinKlawitter]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 4:16pm

uncageg said: "dramamama611 said: "I had the opposite opinion: I was more impressed with Grande than Erivo. I found Erivo's choices very safe. It probably didn't help that my expectations for Grande were fairly low."



I totally agree and have been trying to come up with the word for Erivo's performance. Safe. It hit me during "The Wizard and I". It was supposed to be a joyful moment for Elphaba and I just wasn't feeling it. Of, course she sang the heck out of it but her performance as a whole was fine but didnot feel award worthy to me.(And maybe it was a directorial choice) Grande's did, and I predicted she would get a Golden Globe nomination, which she truly deserves in my opinion. I will be shocked if Erivo wins (I expect Demi Moore willtake it). I do expect Grande to win. We will see! JMO

"

Mikey Madison is my bet. She's in what might be the Best Picture frontrunner.

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 4:21pm

Madison will win the Oscar.

[Seb28]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 5:21pm

uncageg said: "I totally agree and have been trying to come up with the word for Erivo's performance. Safe. It hit me during "The Wizard and I". 

I feel this also has something to do with the crazy amount of editing and autotune on her voice. It sounds really "tinny", it sucks the life out of it a bit. They didn't do nearly as much on Ariana's voice. It makes it sound a bit robotic, contained and safe.

The contrast between the things that were recorded live on set and the studio vocals was also too big I think, I love that they made the cuts, studio tracks work better as they always sound more perfect, but they could have made the difference a little less obvious. Another moment where this was too obvious was in Defying Gravity with the "it's me" line. It should be an explosion of a note, now it sounded autotuned, tinny, contained and therefore "safe".

 

Updated On: 12/10/24 at 05:21 PM

[Seb28]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 5:27pm

Jeffrey Karasarides said: "Wicked just received 4 Golden Globe nominations in the following categories:

Best Actress in a Motion Picture-Comedy/Musical (Cynthia Erivo)
Best Supporting Actress in any Motion Picture (Ariana Grande)"

Glinda is a lead role. Nessa, Boq, Fiyero are supporting.

And why is there a special musical actress award? It feels a bit like they are handing out the nominations in strategic and creative way so they don't overlap.

 

 

Updated On: 12/9/24 at 05:27 PM

[chrishuyen]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 5:55pm

Seb28 said: "Jeffrey Karasarides said: "Wicked just received 4 Golden Globe nominations in the following categories:

Best Actress in a Motion Picture-Comedy/Musical (Cynthia Erivo)
Best Supporting Actress in any Motion Picture (Ariana Grande)"

Glinda is a lead role. Nessa, Boq, Fiyero are supporting.

And why is there a special musical actress award? It feels a bit like they are handing out the nominations in strategic and creative way so they don't overlap.
"

The Golden Globes always separate out drama from musical/comedy (which are combined).  It's led to some fun placements like Les Miz in the musical/comedy category 

[joevitus]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 6:45pm

Seb28 said: "Jeffrey Karasarides said: "Wicked just received 4 Golden Globe nominations in the following categories:

Best Actress in a Motion Picture-Comedy/Musical (Cynthia Erivo)
Best Supporting Actress in any Motion Picture (Ariana Grande)"

Glinda is a lead role."

Yes, but if both Grande and Erivo were nominated for Best Actress, the votes for each would cancel each other out. And if one of these roles is going to be slotted into Best Actress rather Best Supporting Actress, that would clearly be Glinda. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 7:32pm

That just cheats the "rightful” winner of that category out of their win, though. Sad.

[n2nbaby]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 7:42pm

I feel like I’m watching people figure out awards season in real time in this thread. 
 

Category fraud has always been a thing (hell, Kate Winslet won Best Actress for a supporting role, when she actually had one of her finest performances of all time the same year - that was a real lead!). 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 7:53pm

The whole story of The Reader centered around Kate’s character, I’m not sure I deem that category fraud.

The worst example of it, for me, is Brad Pitt. Doubled up with "overdue” syndrome.

[n2nbaby]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 8:34pm

It had been a long time since I’ve seen that awful movie, but I do remember most expecting she would be supporting (I think she was at the Globes, and then Lead for the Oscars). Unless I’m mistaken, I have had a rough day today lol

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 8:52pm

This message board is as ridiculous as ever, Theatre just scored a big win with the Wicked movie, the majority thinks they pulled it off with style, the lead women (both women who have done theatre) get nominated for awards, the box office is great.

 

Broadway World is like 'but nobody takes these awards seriously' 

 

Some people must just sit in a cloud of bitterness, it's sad.

And no, I'm not a Wicked fan, thought the film did a great job.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 9:03pm

I Iove the movie, and am happy for its success.

I just don’t give a sh!t about the Golden Globes.

[Kad]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 9:52pm

The Golden Globes are pretty widely not taken particularly seriously, even within the industry. This is not news. They’re the “fun” awards but they’re not useful as Oscar precursors due to the category splits and the extremely small and unrepresentative voting pool (and, yknow, the years and years of starf*ckery  and corruption, going back to the 50s!) 

[TheQuibbler]

Posted: 12/9/24 at 11:05pm

The one thing the Golden Globes can do for the Oscar race is help build a narrative and momentum. True, there’s not much overlap otherwise but at least it keeps your name or film in the conversation. 

[uncageg]

Posted: 12/10/24 at 2:14am

Seb28 said: "uncageg said: "I totally agree and have been trying to come up with the word for Erivo's performance. Safe. It hit me during "The Wizard and I".

I feel this also has something to do with the crazy amount of editing and autotune on her voice. It sounds really "tinny", it sucks the life out of it a bit. They didn't do nearly as much on Ariana's voice. It makes it sound a bit robotic.

The contrast between the things that were recorded live on set and the studio vocals was also too big I think, I love that they made the cuts, studio tracks work better as they always sound more perfect, but they could have made the difference a little less obvious. Another moment where this was too obvious was in Defying Gravity with the "it's me" line. It already sounds safe because she sings so easily, and the tinny robotic edit sound makes it sound even more safe."

 

The vocal mixing had nothing to do with it for me. It was just her overall performance.

 

[Musical Master]

Posted: 12/10/24 at 2:40am

Saw it again on Sunday and it's still an amazing 10 out of 10 movie musical adaptation to me. The second viewing also made me appreciate the easter eggs and cameos a lot more. Still don't know what some critics are complaining about the grey/washed-out look of the movie (maybe the times I watched it was in an amazingly good quality movie theater so they may have had really good projectors) but the lens flares/glares complaint is perfectly understandable. The colors on display were vibrant and popped up very well.

Cynthia and Ariana were born to play these roles, and to see the two of them get these award nominations for their talents makes me so happy to see. Hollywood needs to take notes as to how not just to do a great movie musical, but a perfect 1st part movie that knows how to edit and pace itself. This is the best part 1 film we've had since Fellowship of the Ring. I'm not kidding.