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Jay Lerner-Z said: "That just cheats the "rightful” winner of that category out of their win, though. Sad."

Well, nominating them both would still cheat the "rightful" winner out of their win, since the votes would be split between them (and the other actresses nominated. The most famous example of this is Anne Baxter refusing to take a Best Supporting Actress nomination for All About Eve, leading neither she nor Bette Davis to win the Oscar that year.

Updated On: 12/10/24 at 10:16 AM

QueenAlice said: "uncageg said: "Seb28 said: "uncageg said: "I totally agree and have been trying to come up with the word for Erivo's performance. Safe. It hit me during "The Wizard and I".

I feel this also has something to do with the crazy amount of editing and autotune on her voice. It sounds really "tinny", it sucks the life out of it a bit. They didn't do nearly as much on Ariana's voice. It makes it sound a bit robotic.

The contrast between the things that were recorded live on set and the studio vocals was also too big I think, I love that they made the cuts, studio tracks work better as they always sound more perfect, but they could have made the difference a little less obvious. Another moment where this was too obvious was in Defying Gravity with the "it's me" line. It already sounds safe because she sings so easily, and the tinny robotic edit sound makes it sound even more safe."



The vocal mixing had nothing to do with itfor me.It was just her overall performance.

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I truthfully think some of what you are hearing and commenting on is simply the way the specific tembre of Cynthia Erivo's vocal intstrument sounds on film in relationship to the way the score is orchestrated Sound mixing and editing may also play a part but I don't think what you are hearing is 'autotuning' in the way you are definining it here."


There’s a lot to autotune on her voice.

''Category fraud sucks.''

That's just how the game is played nowadays. The studios and the stars don't want the Oscar voters to split their votes between two performers from the same film. Putting one in Leading and the other in Supporting optimizes their chances to win TWO Oscars instead - even if it gives the one in Supporting an unfair advantage of more screen time over actors who really have smaller, supporting roles.

On Broadway, of course, both Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth were both up for the Tony for Leading Actress for ''Wicked.'' But at the Academy Awards, they rarely nominate two actresses for lead in the same movie. You might have to go back to ''Thelma and Louise'' (1991) with Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis, who both lost.

But this Oscars has more than one case of ''category fraud.'' Variety reports that ''Emilia Perez'' is pushing Karla Sofia Gascon, who has dual roles, for Best Actress, while promoting Zoe Saldana as Supporting. Even though Saldana (at 57 minutes) has more screen time than Gascon (52 minutes). Plus, the title of the movie refers to Saldana's character, not Gascon's. They are co-leads. But the awards usually agree with the film's Oscar campaigns. By the way, Selena Gomez has 27 minutes of screen time in ''Emilia Perez'' and is truly Supporting, but yesterday the Globes nominated her and Saldana both in Supporting.

In ''A Real Pain,'' I'd argue that Jesse Eisenberg and Kieran Culkin are co-leads. They practically are on-screen the same amount of time, and the only thing that distinguishes them is Eisenberg's character has a short monologue near the end of the film. Eisenberg is also the director/writer of ''A Real Pain,'' so I guess that awards are more willing to count him as the lead ... even though the title of the film, ''A Real Pain,'' is a direct reference to Culkin's character.

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/zoe-saldana-oscars-debate-lead-supporting-emilia-perez-1236217249/

Updated On: 12/10/24 at 01:17 PM

I can't help but chuckle that Elphaba's gown in part two is made of leather. Those poor Animals...

Finally caught Emilia Perez last night and I'm dumbfounded that they're pushing for Zoe Saldana to be considered in the supporting categories. She is the clear protagonist of the film, has the most screen time, and is the character around which the entire film is based. If anything, Saldana being considered as supporting lends a ton more legitimacy to Ariana as Glinda being supporting because (while I agree Ariana is very much a lead in this film) she is very much not the protagonist of Wicked. There truly needs to be some sort of board/group that delegates and decides which characters/actors can be considered in which categories rather than allowing the producers to push and campaign their ways into inaccurate categories.

Leave it to Brantley to imply that for the first half hour he was thinking of just leaving the movie theatre?

Ariana Grande and Paul Mescal share a ''Wicked''-ly wonderful chat with Variety. They're delightful & sweet, proving they're just two grownup theater kids, nerding out over each other's movies: ''Wicked'' and ''Gladiator II.''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzc_SCRIB6M

Updated On: 12/11/24 at 12:15 AM

Wayman_Wong said: "'The Oscars have no such system. They leave it to the Academy voters to agree or disagree with the movie's Oscar campaign. In 2008, Kate Winslet was Oscar-eligible for two movies: She was campaigned for Best Actress for ''Revolutionary Road'' and for Supporting Actress for ''The Reader.'' And in fact, Winslet won the Golden Globe and the SAG Award for Supporting Actress for ''The Reader.'' The Academy voters didn't see it that way, and nominated her for Leading Actress for ''The Reader,'' and she won!"

You forgot to mention that she ALSO won the Golden Globe for Best Actress that year for Revolutionary Road, which was pretty incredible. I wish she’d won the Oscar for that role, which stuck with me much longer than her performance in The Reader. Revolutionary Road is an underrated movie IMO.

I have a stupid question. Can Cynthia be nominated for part 2 as well? I figured the answer is yes but didn't know since she was nominated for the first part. I feel like the second part has a lot more dramatic moments and character stuff for Cynthia to do that would Garner her the award. IDK

Yes, Erivo will be eligible again for Part 2.

There are a small handful of actors who have been nominated multiple times for playing the same character. For instance, Al Pacino was nominated for both The Godfather and The Godfather Part 2. But Part 2 was a true sequel, not the second half of one film. Nobody has yet been nominated multiple times for role in a film that was always intended to be multiple parts.

For anyone like me who enjoys following betting odds, here are some updates from Gold Derby based on the last week of Awards nominations:



Wicked moves up to #4 (from #5) in the Best Picture Race

Cynthia Erivo moves up to #4 (from #5) in the Best Actress category

Ariana Grande remains at #2 for Best Supporting Actress (I suspect she'll take #1 in the next week or so).



https://www.goldderby.com/odds/combined-odds/oscars-nominations-2025-predictions/

This is not the shooting script but the final cut script sent out for awards consideration. This official script documents what is in the final film. The shooting script contains everything intended initially including additional material that may or may not be used, etc.