WGA strike impact on the 2023 Tonys — Page 3

djoko84 said: "Obviously most of the tweens on this board don't know how a strike works. Most people in front of the camera and behind-the-scenes are in a union. Regardless, if they're in the same union or not everyone sticks together. If another union strikes in the future, they'll need all the support they can get from the other unions. No one from the other unions will cross the picket line including Ariana DeBose. This includes the camera operators and sound people. If the wga strike is still going on then don't except a televised ceremony. You're all coming up with scenarios that are not realistic. There will be no concessions just for the Tony's. Just deal with it."

Where do you think you are? This is BY FAAAAAARRRRRR the oldest community within the online Broadway world. There's no way anywhere else is close to the old geezers that haunt these virtual halls (sorry guys, I love yah, but it's true). Tweens? Really? Give me a break.

How the Writers Guild strike could impact the 2023 Tony Awards broadcast

Past strikes have affected awards shows — what about this year?

https://www.broadwaynews.com/how-the-writers-guild-strike-could-impact-the-2023-tony-awards-broadcast/

Mr. Wormwood said: "This is such a weird situation since the WGA and Broadway really only intersect at the Tonys.

The Broadway industry and the unions that work within it need the Tonys. I would like to see the WGA give their blessing for the Tonys to go on, perhaps with some stipulations (no written bits for example but still live performances and award distribution), so that those involved in the Tonys feel comfortable with it. And perhaps even advocate for the WGA during the ceremony.

It would really suck to see shows and Broadway suffer due to something that is not really related to them. I hope everyone does the right thing here. This is different than some of the other award shows that are directly involved with the WGA in terms of what they are awarding and honoring."

This 100% relates to them. Everyone involved is in a union. Unions stick together. Everyone on broadway is part of a union. The reason I called this board tweens was because older people understand what a strike is and its purpose. The whole point is to disrupt and make these big companies feel some pain to give concessions to the union. How will they feel that if the WGA let's a show like the Tonys go on? It's either all or nothing. You obviously don't understand that.

Mr. Wormwood said: "djoko84 said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "This is such a weird situation since the WGA and Broadway really only intersect at the Tonys.

The Broadway industry and the unions that work within it need the Tonys. I would like to see the WGA give their blessing for the Tonys to go on, perhaps with some stipulations (no written bits for example but still live performances and award distribution), so that those involved in the Tonys feel comfortable with it. And perhaps even advocate for the WGA during the ceremony.

It would really suck to see shows and Broadway suffer due to something that is not really related to them. I hope everyone does the right thing here. This is different than some of the other award shows that are directly involved with the WGA in terms of what they are awarding and honoring."

This 100% relates to them. Everyone involved is in a union. Unions stick together. Everyone on broadway is part of a union. The reason I called this board tweens was because older people understand what a strike is and its purpose. The whole point is to disrupt and make these big companies feel some pain to give concessions to the union. How will they feel that if the WGA let's a show like the Tonys go on? It's either all or nothing. You obviously don't understand that."

Thanks for the condescending lecture but I do understand how unions work. I'm in a union myself. Yes, unions stick together within the same field which is why I expect to see disruptions from unions like DGA, SAG and even IATSE. But Broadway is a different animal and they can be in solidarity without hurting themselves. It's not like you see Broadway shows cancelling performances or workshops or readings because of this the same way you see TV shows and movies shutting down because that wouldn't make any sense

And let's be honest, the Tonys getting cancelled would hurt Actors Equity, Dramatists Guild and the crew unions a hell of a lot more than it would hurt CBS/Paramount because it's not like the Tonys are some cash cow for them."

Anything getting cancelled hurts everyone, but that's the risk you take by going on strike. You don't get what you want by giving concessions to people. As someone who is in a union, I'm surprised you don't see that. I'm actually in the WGA and like I said before, it's all or nothing. You can't start making concessions because then you won't be taken seriously. The whole point is for companies to see what it's like without the writers. Yes, these shows get hurt, but again, that's the point of a strike.

djoko84 said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "djoko84 said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "This is such a weird situation since the WGA and Broadway really only intersect at the Tonys.

The Broadway industry and the unions that work within it need the Tonys. I would like to see the WGA give their blessing for the Tonys to go on, perhaps with some stipulations (no written bits for example but still live performances and award distribution), so that those involved in the Tonys feel comfortable with it. And perhaps even advocate for the WGA during the ceremony.

It would really suck to see shows and Broadway suffer due to something that is not really related to them. I hope everyone does the right thing here. This is different than some of the other award shows that are directly involved with the WGA in terms of what they are awarding and honoring."

This 100% relates to them. Everyone involved is in a union. Unions stick together. Everyone on broadway is part of a union. The reason I called this board tweens was because older people understand what a strike is and its purpose. The whole point is to disrupt and make these big companies feel some pain to give concessions to the union. How will they feel that if the WGA let's a show like the Tonys go on? It's either all or nothing. You obviously don't understand that."

Thanks for the condescending lecture but I do understand how unions work. I'm in a union myself. Yes, unions stick together within the same field which is why I expect to see disruptions from unions like DGA, SAG and even IATSE. But Broadway is a different animal and they can be in solidarity without hurting themselves. It's not like you see Broadway shows cancelling performances or workshops or readings because of this the same way you see TV shows and movies shutting down because that wouldn't make any sense

And let's be honest, the Tonys getting cancelled would hurt Actors Equity, Dramatists Guild and the crew unions a hell of a lot more than it would hurt CBS/Paramount because it's not like the Tonys are some cash cow for them."

Anything getting cancelled hurts everyone, but that's the risk you take by going on strike. You don't get what you want by giving concessions to people. As someone who is in a union, I'm surprised you don't see that. I'm actually in the WGA and like I said before, it's all or nothing. You can't start making concessions because then you won't be taken seriously. The whole point is for companies to see what it's like without the writers. Yes, these shows get hurt, but again, that's the point of a strike."

So why aren't Broadway workshops & readings and show developments getting cancelled in solidarity? Broadway is going along as usual in all facets except for the Tonys?

Mr. Wormwood said: "Care to elaborate?"

Not really but I will just highlight, as an example, the last thing you posted above. You said:

"So why aren't Broadway workshops & readings and show developments getting cancelled in solidarity? Broadway is going along as usual in all facets except for the Tonys?"

No "facet" of Broadway involves any labor under the WGA contract. Accordingly, cancelling any stage work "in solidarity" would not only be a non-sequitur, it would also be illegal.

Mr. Wormwood said: "That was my point... Maybe the sarcasm didn't read well but that was a sarcastic response to djoko84 because I know none of the labor on Broadway has to do with the WGA.

djoko84 said above "it's all or nothing" and my point was that Broadway is not really part of what the WGA (and SAG, DGA, IATSE, etc) are involved in. The only thing in a Broadway calendar that involves the WGA is the Tonys so it feels a little ridiculous to cancel an event for an industry that has very little to do with the WGA."

Sorry but you are still very mixed up. The "event" of the Tonys is not being cancelled; it is the television broadcast that would be cancelled if it does not circumnavigate the WGA agreement in an acceptable way (as has been rehearsed earlier in this thread). The event could go on without pickets if it were not broadcast or if any broadcast carefully avoided any reliance whatsoever on scripted content. If there are pickets, some/many/most/all members of any allied union would decline to cross that picket line and that would be highly likely to result in a cancellation of the broadcast (even though WGA is precluded from making such a request of other unions and their members). At its root, what you do not understand is that it has nothing to do with the extent to which the subject of the awards (i.e., Broadway shows in this case) have any relationship with the WGA. The same situation would arise if it were a show passing out awards to dentists.

I've had several people argue that there should be some kind of exemption or waiver for the Tonys because Broadway needs a televised ceremony to go on.

If the WGA decides to make that exemption, that's on them. But giving an exemption during such a high-stakes (and extremely well-supported) strike such as this fundamentally undercuts the strike action. Once that door is opened just a crack, it leads to more demanding entry. Not to mention, DGA and SAG's contracts are also expiring soon- next month, in fact- which will make the solidarity here even more important and necessary.

Strikes are meant to be disruptive and cause some degree of pain, even collaterally. That's why they are the very last option on the table.

Let's be clear: we are here not because of the WGA, but AMPTP. If the Tonys do not go forward as a televised event, then the blame can be pinned entirely on them.



Hopefully the Tonys had writers working to come up with some really basic stuff about the nominees and season overall they can use in a ceremony in the days before the strike was called.

Updated On: 5/6/23 at 06:36 PM

It's also worth reminding that a lot of theatre writers are also members of WGA if they've done screenwriting work (which many have and many more would like to get). They're not going to want to be perceived as undermining this strike in any way, which would have potentially severe professional repercussions.

Kad said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "Kad said: "I've had several people argue that there should be some kind of exemption or waiver for the Tonys because Broadway needs a televised ceremony to go on.

If the WGA decides to make that exemption, that's on them. But giving an exemption during such a high-stakes (and extremely well-supported) strike such as this fundamentally undercuts the strike action. Once that door is opened just a crack, it leads to more demanding entry. Not to mention, DGA and SAG's contracts are also expiring soon- next month, in fact- which will make the solidarity here even more important and necessary.

Strikes are meant to be disruptive and cause some degree of pain, even collaterally. That's why they are the very last option on the table.

Let's be clear: we are here not because of the WGA, but AMPTP. If the Tonys do not go forward as a televised event, then the blame can be pinned entirely on them.



Hopefully the Tonys had writers working to come up with some really basic stuff about the nominees and season overall they can use in a ceremony in the days before the strike was called."

I understand that, I really do. But I feel like this is not the same as the Emmys, Oscars, GGs, even the MTV Awards because they are not honoring the work that is done by WGA members or people who benefit directly from the work of WGA members (saying or directing their words for example). It feels like the televised Tonys ceremony is something that is unfortunately only tangentially related but now caught in the crosshairs.

AMPTP is to be blamed for the strike for sure. But I still think WGA could consider an exception here. I would not advise the same thing for the Emmys in September if the strike were still going on then. Those are different situations IMO."

It is not tangentially related.

The Tonys as we know them are a television event first and foremost. What the event is about is beside the point- it could be honoring theatre or it could be honoring pastry chefs, it doesn't matter. It's a scripted event for television and that requires WGA writers.

The Tonys being affected by this strike only further bolsters the point: that WGA writers are an integral part of the entertainment industry. Any squishiness on that point weakens the case- it says some work matters more, or matters differently. It says WGA writers should swallow whatever terms they're given on this project. which implies other projects should be likewise considered.

It may be blasphemous to say here, but the financial well-being of a handful of Broadway shows is not the priority of WGA.

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We'll have to agree to disagree. I support the WGA. I am a huge fan of scripted television in particular. But I could do without any scripted bits at the Tonys (that frankly aren't usually that enjoyable) if I could see the performances and winners' speeches.

I hear what you're saying that it doesn't matter how big or little the work is. I get that it doesn't matter if it's Succession or the Tonys. I just think the people hurt by the Tony televised ceremony not happening will be the rank and file of Broadway and their own unions and that's what I would like to not see happen. I understand your point though.

Updated On: 5/6/23 at 07:03 PM

Hogan, I really don't know why you continue to think I don't understand things and it needs to be explained to me. I understand all of it and I think we agree on most of this. Look back and my posts in this thread make that pretty clear. I don't understand the condescension in the posts. Anyways...

#1 is what I've been advocating for the whole time. The whole back and forth started when someone said it was "all or nothing" and a deal wasn't possible.

#2 I don't need this explained to me. I understand that completely. But without some kind of deal I have a feeling that the actors won't show up and this force the hand of the Tonys to pivot to something else. That is what I hope can be avoided.

#3 I agree. But I really hope it's not a press release because Broadway needs more than that now.

#4 From everything I have read, a deal by June 11 seems very unlikely. But we'll see...

Updated On: 5/7/23 at 12:42 AM

GiantsInTheSky2 said: "Imagine being told, “You can't start making concessions because then you won't be taken seriously” and being met with “we’ll have to agree to disagree”. Just say you’re not with/for the WGA."

It's not unprecedented for the WGA to carve out exceptions or waivers. They have done this in the past. All I am saying is I hope they do that again.

I'm sure the WGA is not 100% in lockstep on all of these minute details. People who want an exception for the Tonys and people who don't can still both be on the WGA side. Geeze.

Oh and also, I am not suggesting WGA members write for this year's Tonys. I am saying I hope the union gives their blessing for the show to go on (I know they don't HAVE to for it to go on) so that actors and those involved feel ok participating without feeling like they're betraying the WGA.

Updated On: 5/7/23 at 12:51 AM