2018 Tony Eligibility Rulings, Round #4 (FINAL)- Page 2

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:26pm

Does this mean there will also be five nominees in all the design categories this year?

[JBroadway]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:29pm

LesWickedly said: "I counted 12 eligible Leading Actors in Play"

Ugh, yes you're right. I forgot about Michael Moore and John Lithgow again, as well as Jeremy Shamos and Tom Sturridge. Damn, I'm getting sloppy! Sorry folks! 

 

[HeyMrMusic]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:29pm

Yes! As there should be. Also, orchestrations. (I believe there are ten: 7 new musicals, 2 revivals, and Farinelli)

[pointilismlight]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:31pm

I actually believe that HP is NOT eligible for Best Score since Imogen Heap is not credited with Original Music.  Her credit in the HP Playbill is "Composer and Arranger" so I believe they would have had to rule it as an original score written for theater.  

 

When Fences was nominated a few years back, Brandford Marsails was credited as "Original Music by" deeming him eligible.

 

[Shh_413]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:32pm

If Louderman is now lead, I guess there is a possibility that the nominees for Mean Girls would be the Plastics (Louderman, Park, and Rockwell) and maybe Henson? That's kinda cool.

[Shh_413]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:32pm

pointilismlight said: "I actually believe that HP is NOT eligible for Best Score since Imogen Heap is not credited with Original Music. Her credit in the HP Playbill is "Composer and Arranger" so I believe they would have had to rule it as an original score written for theater.



When Fences was nominated a few years back, Brandford Marsails was credited as "Original Music by" deeming him eligible.

"

So is she "technically" eligible for Orchestrations?

[dramamama611]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:33pm

pointilismlight said: "I actually believe that HP is NOT eligible for Best Score since Imogen Heap is not credited with Original Music. Her credit in the HP Playbill is "Composer and Arranger" so I believe they would have had to rule it as an original score written for theater.



When Fences was nominated a few years back, Brandford Marsails was credited as "Original Music by" deeming him eligible.

"

Ah.....did not know, I was certainly only speaking in generalities.  so thans for that info

[followspot]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:36pm

No mention of THREE TALL WOMEN.  Does this mean that Jackson, Metcalf, and Pill (all above-title) are all in the Best Actress category?  (Or did I miss something?)

[LesWickedly]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:40pm

Three Tall Women was part of a past ruling. Only Glenda is Leading.

[JennH]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:43pm

pointilismlight said: "I actually believe that HP is NOT eligible for Best Score since Imogen Heap is not credited with Original Music. Her credit in the HP Playbill is "Composer and Arranger" so I believe they would have had to rule it as an original score written for theater.



When Fences was nominated a few years back, Brandford Marsails was credited as "Original Music by" deeming him eligible.

"

She does hav the nom for the OCC...and it's billed as Outstanding New Score so that's interesting if that's the case.

[followspot]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:44pm

Three Tall Women was part of a past ruling. Only Glenda is Leading.

Thanks LesWickedly! :)

[IdinaBellFoster]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:46pm

I think Louderman gets in. I'll be interested to see if they go for LaChanze.

I'm happy with the new 5 nominee rule with 9 eligible. Sure there will be times when the nominated work is not the best, but a packed season will come along (like last year) that it will be nice to reward. 

[Shh_413]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:47pm

Jenn H:

The problem with these other awards giving bodies is they don't have, or at least disclose, their rubrics to what constitutes "New Music" or an "Original Score". Like what percentage should be original? Wikipedia isn't helpful, I see, since it says "...is the Tony Award given to the composers and lyricists of the best original score written for a musical..." while we know they also nominate plays.

[Playbill_Trash]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:53pm

For the past few examples in recent history of plays getting best score nominations, their eligibility was made clear in a committee ruling for Fences, One Man Two Guvnors, and Peter and the Starcatcher. 

2010 Rulings for Fences Best Score Eligibility

2012 Rulings for One Man, Two Guvnors and Peter and the Starcatcher Best Score Eligibility

That's what makes me curious to know the HP score consideration. In the case of One Man Two Guvnors for example, a search in the Playbill Vault shows that the billing did not specifically say "original music by" as was brought up earlier in this thread, but that was the case for Fences. However both were specifically ruled as eligible in their respective years. If they both had to have rulings because they are plays, what does this mean for HP since no ruling was made in this meeting?

I know other people have brought up this same question, just wanted to bring up some trends based on past evidence.

I assumed these trends would be based on consistent logic, but we all know what happens when we assume. 

[Shh_413]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 1:57pm

God. 2012 was a really weak year for music. They had 2 PLAYS nominated for Best Original Song? Jeez.

[LesWickedly]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:00pm

Cursed Child will sadly not be eligible for score. According to Ryan McPhee, a Playbill.com editor, they confirmed it with a press representative directly.
Would link the tweet but on mobile.

[Shh_413]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:04pm

LesWickedly said: "Cursed Child will sadly not be eligible for score. According to Ryan McPhee, a Playbill.com editor, they confirmed it with a press representative directly.
Would link the tweet but on mobile."

I love that Steven Tyler, Brendon Urie, T.I., and many more are pretty much now Tony nominees. :)

[Playbill_Trash]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:16pm

At least the ineligibility of Cursed Child for best score does confirm my suspicion of there needing to be a ruling for a play's best score eligibility despite playbill billing. That is a sign of some consistent logic. 

That is unfortunate that HP won't be eligible though. I was hoping for them to win score honestly as a slap in the face to the weak season it is for new scores in musicals.]

Now the nominees for score will most definitely be The Bands Visit, Frozen, Mean Girls, and Spongebob. I think Bands Visit is a lock with Frozen and Mean Girls behind it. I did not care for the Spongebob Score at all and will be shocked if it wins. 

The only award Spongebob deserves to win is Sound Design and possibly Set Design, the rest of the show was embarrassing. If Spongebob actually wins anything else on Tony night it will be the biggest upset since the election of 2016. 

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:24pm

''God. 2012 was a really weak year for music. They had 2 PLAYS nominated for Best Original Song? Jeez.''

Actually, the Tonys could've filled Best Score with all musicals, but they passed over ''Ghost,'' ''Leap of Faith'' and ''Spider-Man.'' 

Today's biggest takeaway (to me) is that the Tonys bumped up the nominees to 5 for all the design categories, along with orchestrations. They had usually been 4, right?

And what happens with Musical Revival, which has only 3 candidates? Can they nominate all 3, or are they limited to just 2?  

Updated On: 4/27/18 at 02:24 PM

[QueenAlice]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:33pm

I don’t know if this is specifically the reason why, but some of Imogene Heap’s score for HP is based on music she has previously created.

[MadsonMelo]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:51pm

All the song writers of SpongeBob will be Tony nominees?

[kade.ivy]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:56pm

Any insight on if Rowling, Tiffany, and Thorne will all be nominated as “story conceivers” for HP, or will it only be Thorne?

[JudyDenmark]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:58pm

Playbill_Trash said: "The only award Spongebob deserves to win is Sound Design and possibly Set Design, the rest of the show was embarrassing. If Spongebob actually wins anything else on Tony night it will be the biggest upset since the election of 2016."

SpongeBob's sound design was awesome, and I am rooting for it in that category! But I don't see how Once On This Island doesn't win set design this year. 

[Shh_413]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 3:14pm

MadsonMelo said: "All the song writers of SpongeBob will be Tony nominees?"

I guess. It wouldn't make sense to leave someone out since they technically all contributed the same percentage of the score. And Tom Kitt can't be the only nominee since he only did additional music and orchestrations. Anyway, there's precedent for this; Urban Cowboy had 30 composers and lyricists nominated for Best Original Song.

[HeyMrMusic]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 3:19pm

Let’s not forget that Howard Ashman was posthumously nominated for Aladdin even though he contributed no new material to the musical. (Tim Rice also didn’t contribute anything new and was nominated.)