2024 Outer Critics Circle Nominations & Awards

[ElephantLoveMedley]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 3:54pm

Nominations just announced. A few head-scratchers in there.

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/DEAD-OUTLAW-STEREOPHONIC-More-Lead-in-Nominations-for-2024-Outer-Critics-Circle-Awards-20240423

[BoringBoredBoard40]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 3:56pm

Truly weird nominations

also why are new musical/play seperated by broadway and off broadway and the revival categories aren't?

Updated On: 4/23/24 at 03:56 PM

[lopside]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:01pm

About 7 people are involved in these nominations and it shows. And lmao, literally every play revival nominated in that category. But guess it means that Uncle Vanya is not going to have a very warm reception.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:05pm

Outer Critics Awards are always a little from outer space. (Although these seems less "out there" than usual.)   I would't put any stock in them as harbinger for the Tonys.

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:08pm

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Updated On: 4/23/24 at 04:08 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:09pm

hearthemsing22 said: "I truly have no idea how this will play out next week. These awards are all over the place. Merrily being snubbed entirely?"

It wasn't snubbed, it was deemed ineligible because it was eligible last season off-Broadway and only new elements were considered eligible this year (and I don't believe there were many new elements?).

Updated On: 4/23/24 at 04:09 PM

[BoringBoredBoard40]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:09pm

Because it was eligable last season 

[steve.sometime]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:09pm

Merrily is not eligible. It competed last year, losing revival to Parade, but winning lead and featured performers for Jonathan Groff and Lindsay Mendez.

https://playbill.com/article/some-like-it-hot-dominates-2023-outer-critics-circle-awards-see-the-full-list-of-winners

Updated On: 4/23/24 at 04:09 PM

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:13pm

''About 7 people are involved in these nominations and it shows.''

I believe it's been closer to 10 for the Outer Critics Circle nominations. The Drama Desk nominations are usually determined by about 8 people. Needless to say, the nominations reflect their tastes. It's always been this way, and they're juggling Broadway and Off-Broadway shows. Plus, now that their performance categories are non-gendered, that's another determining factor.  

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:17pm

Bebe being the only nominee for Cabaret is perfect.

[Ptero2]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:19pm

Personally kind of love these nominations - maybe I'm biased as someone who loved Teeth and The Connector a lot :) 

[butlervyer]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:22pm

All the Gatsby nominations in design elements...yikes. Just shows that all these so called critics don't actually know what good design is, just how much of it there is. 

[IdinaBellFoster]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:23pm

Worth noting it also states they were not invited to see HERE WE ARE, so it was deemed ineligible.

[DramaTeach]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:24pm

What are the actual rules here? Merrily wasn’t eligible bc it was off-Broadway, but so was Stereophonic. And Here Lies Love. And Days of Wine and Roses. Why nominate Illinoise as an Off-Broadway musical when it’s also on this season? I wonder the cut-off dates. And that “lead performer in a musical” category?! Fascinating.

[lopside]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:29pm

Merrily wasn't eligible since it was nominated last year. None of the others you mentioned played Broadway or Off-Broadway since the last nominations. Illinoise is off/Broadway since it hasn't actually started Broadway.

[DramaTeach]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:35pm

Here Lies Love was off years ago. That doesn’t make it ineligible?

[Kad]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:36pm

DramaTeach said: "What are the actual rules here? Merrily wasn’t eligible bc it was off-Broadway, but so was Stereophonic. And Here Lies Love. And Days of Wine and Roses. Why nominate Illinoise as an Off-Broadway musical when it’s also on this season? I wonder the cut-off dates. And that “lead performer in a musical” category?! Fascinating."

Stereophonic was both off-Bway and Bway in the same season, so they automatically move it to the Broadway categories. Wine and Roses was technically off-Broadway this season as well, at least as it pertains to the OCC cutoffs. HLL was put into the revival category.

Illinoise did not start performances on Bway in time for the nominators to see it, so it defaulted back to the Armory staging.

[MayAudraBlessYou2]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:43pm

It's absolutely crazy that the OCC has kept their acting categories at 5 nominees after de-gendering them. BUT it does potentially show you who the strongest candidates are. I know, things can and will be slightly different with the Tonys since only about 10 voters nominate the OCC...but still. For instance, I think Kelli O'Hara and Maryann Plunkett being the only 2 women who appeared in Lead Performance in a Musical means they should be formidable heading into Tony noms.

It also seems like they didnt feel strongly about many Broadway musicals besides Suffs and Days of Wine and Roses. They also nominated Here Lies Love in most of the places it was eligible (everywhere except Arielle Jacobs I think?). Otherwise, they were definitely more into Off-Bway fare. This is what makes the Tonys so hard to predict this year...the rest of the field has people saying "well, that was fine". But they have to fill out the category with stuff they found just ok.

[scripps]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 4:52pm

Love all these Dead Outlaw noms. Now where's my cast album? 

[DramaTeach]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 5:00pm

Kad said: "DramaTeach said: "What are the actual rules here? Merrily wasn’t eligible bc it was off-Broadway, but so was Stereophonic. And Here Lies Love. And Days of Wine and Roses. Why nominate Illinoise as an Off-Broadway musical when it’s also on this season? I wonder the cut-off dates. And that “lead performer in a musical” category?! Fascinating."

Stereophonic was both off-Bway and Bway in the same season, so they automatically move it to the Broadway categories. Wine and Roses was technically off-Broadway this season as well, at least as it pertains to the OCC cutoffs. HLL was put into the revival category.

Illinoise did not start performances on Bway in time for the nominators to see it, so it defaulted back to the Armory staging."

Thanks for the clarification. Makes more sense now. But Roger Bart as Doc?! There’s no explanation for that one.

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 5:17pm

MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "It's absolutely crazy that the OCC has kept their acting categories at 5 nominees after de-gendering them. BUT it does potentially show you who the strongest candidates are. I know, things can and will be slightly different with the Tonys since only about 10 voters nominate the OCC...but still. For instance, I think Kelli O'Hara and Maryann Plunkett being the only 2 women who appeared in Lead Performance in a Musical means they should be formidable heading into Tony noms.

It's good the the acting categories are at 5-6 nominees after de-gendering them.  Every other category in awards are de-gendered with similar nominations.

Actors should receive no more, or less, than any other contributor to a show, male or female, or in number of possible nominations.  If it's about equality, it's going in the right direction to give equality to the awards, in general. 

The Tonys should do the same.

 

Updated On: 4/23/24 at 05:17 PM

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 5:19pm

''Here Lies Love was off years ago. That doesn’t make it ineligible?''

In this case, the Outer Critics Circle considers ''Here Lies Love'' a revival. But when an Off-Broadway show moves to Broadway, the OCC will consider the newer elements for nominations. Because ''Here Lies Love'' was playing a vastly bigger and different space, and had to be redesigned, that's why it was eligible and nominated for its Scenic Design, Lighting and Sound Design. I imagine Arielle Jacobs, who took over the role of Imelda Marcos, also was considered but, alas, did not make the cut for one of the five competitive slots for Outstanding Lead Performer in a Broadway Musical. 

Updated On: 4/23/24 at 05:19 PM

[Sauja]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 5:49pm

CoffeeBreak said: "

It's good the the acting categories are at 5-6 nominees after de-gendering them. Every other category in awards are de-gendered with similar nominations.

Actors should receive no more, or less,than any other contributor to a show, male or female, or in number of possible nominations. If it's about equality, it's going in the right direction to give equality to the awards, in general.

The Tonys should do the same.

"
 

I would disagree for one main reason—almost every show has one lighting designer, one sound designer, etc., but most have multiple cast members. There are maybe thirty people eligible for scenic design on Broadway this year but over a hundred people who could be nominated for performance. From a numbers standpoint, I think actors need more potential nominations.

 

[Menken Fan]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 6:28pm

I'm thrilled about all the nominations for Dead Outlaw, The Connector and Teeth, which I enjoyed more than most Broadway musicals this year. Having seen most of the musicals, the only nomination I'm shocked by is The Great Gatsby for Outstanding New Broadway Musical.

[Jeffrey Karasarides]

Posted: 4/23/24 at 7:02pm

Sauja said: "CoffeeBreak said: "

It's good the the acting categories are at 5-6 nominees after de-gendering them. Every other category in awards are de-gendered with similar nominations.

Actors should receive no more, or less,than any other contributor to a show, male or female, or in number of possible nominations. If it's about equality, it's going in the right direction to give equality to the awards, in general.

The Tonys should do the same.

"


I would disagree for one main reason—almosteveryshow has one lighting designer, one sound designer, etc., but most have multiple cast members. There are maybe thirty people eligible for scenic design on Broadway this year but over a hundred people who could be nominated for performance. From a numbersstandpoint, I think actors need more potential nominations."

I would also add that if the Tonys were to degender acting categories just like the Outer Critics Circle Awards, there’d be a number of worthy performances that would’ve gotten nominated under normal circumstances snubbed.