BONNIE AND CLYDE only selling tickets until Dec. 30... — Page 10
#227
Posted: 12/13/11 at 2:15am
mountaintop and chicago made way more money though, are you really that oblivious?
#228
Posted: 12/13/11 at 4:37am
^You knucklehead...didn't you read the beginning of my statement? That's why I mentioned that they had a lot of discounts. The reason why the other shows made more money was because the average ticket price for Bonnie & Clyde was a lot lower than the other...again, due to all the discounts. However, the point I was making was that Bonnie & Clyde sold more tickets than Mountaintop and Chicago. And on top of that, they almost sold as many tickets as Anything Goes and Follies. Next time, read the entire statement before you start spewing your nonsense.
#229
Posted: 12/13/11 at 6:34am
He KNOWS what your post said. His POINT is that it doesn't matter HOW many tix they sell if they don't bring in enough $$$ That is the only determination on whether a show will continue running $$$. How man tix they can sell is unimportant.
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#230
Posted: 12/13/11 at 8:29am
"Family and friends know. By now, so should the fans. The word has gone out to cast and crew - why they have not officially announced is a mystery. Maybe it's one of the contractural things Wildhorn does, as in the case of Dracula."
--they have not been told they are closing. people keep perpetuating this rumor.
--they have not been told they are closing. people keep perpetuating this rumor.
#231
Posted: 12/13/11 at 8:44am
It isn't a rumor. The producers have given cast and crew the inevitable pep talk they always give when a show is preparing to close. "We're trying a guerilla market campaign. We're sending out email blasts...and btw, if that doesn't work, we're closing at the end of the year".
It is referred to as "the talk", and anyone with the tiniest bit of experience reads it as the end. They may be trying to work out some contract behind the scenes that will encourage the producers to keep running even at a loss. Again, the same thing happened with Dracula. If the producers kept the show running "x" amount of time, rights of the play became theirs. They knew they could make a profit with it overseas so they didn't care about losing money here.
The wild card this time is the theater. They didn't use the stop clause at Dracula because the Belasco is not as desirable as the Schoenfield, and they didn't need the theater. That is not the case here.
It is referred to as "the talk", and anyone with the tiniest bit of experience reads it as the end. They may be trying to work out some contract behind the scenes that will encourage the producers to keep running even at a loss. Again, the same thing happened with Dracula. If the producers kept the show running "x" amount of time, rights of the play became theirs. They knew they could make a profit with it overseas so they didn't care about losing money here.
The wild card this time is the theater. They didn't use the stop clause at Dracula because the Belasco is not as desirable as the Schoenfield, and they didn't need the theater. That is not the case here.
#232
Posted: 12/13/11 at 8:48am
Well, they have to post a closing notice two weeks in advance, right? So I guess Friday will be a big day...good or bad.
#233
Posted: 12/13/11 at 8:52am
One week - and they don't even have to do that if they are willing to shell out for a week's salary for everyone without their performing.
#234
Posted: 12/13/11 at 9:09am
@dramamama thank you, that was exactly my point.
#235
Posted: 12/13/11 at 9:54am
No producer in his right mind would REFUND group sales unless he was 100% SURE the show's closing.
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#236
Posted: 12/13/11 at 10:33am
Is that a possibility given that the current producers (Bialystock and Bloom? - jk!) want to close the show someone else might step in to take it over, or has this never happened in the history of Broadway?
Not to go too off-topic, but this happened with ROCK OF AGES when it moved to the Helen Hayes. The original producers were set to close it at the Brooks Atkinson when different producers came in who wanted to continue running it at a smaller theater. They in effect "purchased" the show from the original producers, moved it to the Hayes, and it is still going strong.
Then of course, there are all the times a nonprofit Broadway show makes a commercial transfer, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.
Not to go too off-topic, but this happened with ROCK OF AGES when it moved to the Helen Hayes. The original producers were set to close it at the Brooks Atkinson when different producers came in who wanted to continue running it at a smaller theater. They in effect "purchased" the show from the original producers, moved it to the Hayes, and it is still going strong.
Then of course, there are all the times a nonprofit Broadway show makes a commercial transfer, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.
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#237
Posted: 12/13/11 at 11:00am
No producer in his right mind would REFUND group sales unless he was 100% SURE the show's closing.
Exactly. This is the most obvious clue that the decision has been made. When group sales are canceled, the group leader simply rebooks for another show. They're not going to go back to Bonnie and Clyde if they suddenly decide to stay open.
That, along with the fact that The Best Man revival has the theater beginning in March.
Exactly. This is the most obvious clue that the decision has been made. When group sales are canceled, the group leader simply rebooks for another show. They're not going to go back to Bonnie and Clyde if they suddenly decide to stay open.
That, along with the fact that The Best Man revival has the theater beginning in March.
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#238
Posted: 12/13/11 at 12:32pm
@ Yero - Thank you!
#239
Posted: 12/13/11 at 11:17pm
@ Dramamama...well if he understood what I said, he wouldn't have made the comment 'are you really that oblivious?'. Next time, let him or her speak for himself.
#240
Posted: 12/14/11 at 1:31pm
"Renart, I was actually speaking of San Diego. Where the show was workshopped at the La Jolla Playhouse.... :/"
I know. I was just being a smart aleck. Although, it did take me a second to figure out what SD stood for in your context. Living in the midwest as I do, my first instinct is to think of our neighbor to the west.
I know. I was just being a smart aleck. Although, it did take me a second to figure out what SD stood for in your context. Living in the midwest as I do, my first instinct is to think of our neighbor to the west.
#241
Posted: 12/15/11 at 6:02pm
I'm seeing this Christmas day; I'm quite excited... although I've yet to see it, it does seem like this show had a death sentence from early on.
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#242
Posted: 12/15/11 at 6:39pm
They cut off ticket sales as of 12/30 and began refunding ticket revenue on 12/6, just six days after opening.
#243
Posted: 12/15/11 at 7:10pm
Wishing...I'll be there Xmas day as well. I'm still looking forward to it! (Despite the reviews.)
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#244
Posted: 12/15/11 at 8:34pm
#245
Posted: 12/15/11 at 8:47pm
This is turning into one of the stupidest things anyone on Broadway has done in quite a while.
Everyone is being told the show is closing and these stories that they're trying to drum up business to keep the show open beyond December by cutting off all sales and refunding those who've already purchased is beyond stupid. I do hope the show is up and running on January 1st. That way the Producers can sit and scratch their heads wondering why they're performing to a completely empty house.
Everyone is being told the show is closing and these stories that they're trying to drum up business to keep the show open beyond December by cutting off all sales and refunding those who've already purchased is beyond stupid. I do hope the show is up and running on January 1st. That way the Producers can sit and scratch their heads wondering why they're performing to a completely empty house.
#247
Posted: 12/15/11 at 10:17pm
not exactly a smart move to keep the show open past Dec. 30 since no one will be there for the next show. Basically after Jan. 8 the city turns into a ghost town for weeks, so I can't imagine anyone seeing the show that once had planned to(i.e. those that received refunds, were planning vacations).
A Chorus Line revival played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013. Another non-equity tour launched on January 20, 2018. The tour ended its US run in Kansas City and then toured throughout Japan August & September 2018.
#248
Posted: 12/15/11 at 10:40pm
The show is dead. R.I.P.
#249
Posted: 12/15/11 at 11:35pm
I'm guessing they're not posting a closing notice because they assume is ticket buyers see "CLOSING DECEMBER 30!" after opening December 1 they will be unlikely to buy tickets to a FLOP musical.
#250
Posted: 12/15/11 at 11:36pm
It's time to lay it to rest like they do to Buck in the show.. just toss it into the grave.
I hear no one's even showing up anymore.
BTW, Lysistrata Jones is funny and has tons of Choreography...
and Black girls that can SANG. and naked boys.
I hear no one's even showing up anymore.
BTW, Lysistrata Jones is funny and has tons of Choreography...
and Black girls that can SANG. and naked boys.
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