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[Jarethan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 5:46pm

yearofthesnk said: "Yes, it is like Y2K specifically in the way that some people are scoffing at the extreme measures taken, and if the measures are successful they will say, "See? You did that all over nothing.""

You can believe that, if you want to do so.  I was in technology my entire career, and was responsible for the Y2K program for what has become one of the largest brokerage firms in the country (through mergers and acquisitions), and their systems were the survivors to this day.  Those systems would've fallen part if not for the Y2K investments.  They would not have been able to calculate simple things correctly, eg., bond interest, dividends payments, etc., without these changes.  Simple date differences would have been wrong, and etc.    Everyone spent the money and avoided issues.  Y2K was much ado about nothing because so many organizations knew they would be in deep sh*t if they did not make the investments, and they did so.  But I am sure that you know better, because there was no catastrophe.

 

[Jarethan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 5:53pm

Cape Twirl of Doom said: "Jarethan said: "Cape Twirl of Doom said: "AlanB3 said: "If often is not nearly bad as expected precisely because of actions taken now that many are questioning.

 

 

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You misunderstood what I said. I said if severe preventative measures work, people then say "Well what was all the fuss about!? Why did we need all that prevention!?" when it was only because of those measures that it wasn't worse."

Sorry...I have seen some pretty idiotic posts on this thread today and probably read your too quickly.  My apologies.

 

[yearofthesnk]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 5:55pm

Jarethan said: "yearofthesnk said: "Yes, it is like Y2K specifically in the way that some people are scoffing at the extreme measures taken, and if the measures are successful they will say, "See? You did that all over nothing.""

You can believe that, if you want to do so. I was in technology my entire career, and was responsible for the Y2K program for what has become one of the largest brokerage firms in the country (through mergers and acquisitions), and their systems were the survivors to this day. Those systems would've fallen part if not for the Y2K investments. They would not have been able to calculate simple things correctly, eg., bond interest, dividends payments, etc., without these changes. Simple date differences would have been wrong, and etc. Everyone spent the money and avoided issues. Y2K was much ado about nothing because so many organizations knew they would be in deep sh*t if they did not make the investments, and they did so. But I am sure that you know better, because there was no catastrophe.

 

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Wow. There is no reason to be condescending when you are the one who is still failing to understand the point we're making. I was also very close to IT during that time and am familiar with the work that went into it to ensure it didn't turn into a problem for the average person. The point is that a lot of people still talk about it now as if it were nothing, and as if all the measures taken were unnecessary and overkill, when they were the very thing that made it "nothing" to those people. Just like they will do about the measures taken to minimize COVID-19 if they end up unaffected by it.

Updated On: 3/12/20 at 05:55 PM

[Michelle chouraqui]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 5:59pm

Are people buying tickets for late April/May to replace those cancelled? I don't know whether to grab them now, as they may be hard to get later or wait it out? I know this is unprecedented, but would love to know other's opinions. thx.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:17pm

Jarethan said: "Scarlet Leigh said: "One has to wonder what is a better option for them IF they are given the CHOICE.

Suspend performance for a few weeks, refunding the tickets but saving on operational costs. The pros being total public safety and not spending money on operations but obvious con the the cast and crews will not be getting a paycheck and lose of revenue on 100% of ticket sales in this time.

NOT TO MENTION that this would cause a TOTAL distribution to the season for awards. Shows that would open or start previews in this time frame will risk becoming ineligible for the Tony awards unless exceptions are made to the rules allowing for shows effected in this time frame to still be considered should their opening be delayed beyond the original window of qualification. With Six opening tonight, it COULD end up being the last show to officially qualify under the rules.

OR

Continuing performances and let ticket holders make that choice for themselves while still allowing those not willing to take that risk/can't travel due to restrictions the option of a refund. The pro here is that the cast and crew are still getting paid and they will not be refunding all tickets while the cons here are of course safety but also spending the same operational costs as normal to play to partial or severely discounted houses.

It's a tough call to make and it's possible that the choice will soon be taken from them all together."



i hope that I misread your intention. I love the Tony's as much as anyone, but to include the Tony's as a factor in determining whether to cancelperformances or not is about as shallow and unthinking an observation as I have read here. I hope that I am just misreading it.

In dealing with an issue that has to potential to be devastating for many, even mentioning impact on an awards program and impact on contenders as a decision factor is incomprehensible to me.

I have to admit that I am all over the place on this issue. I live in Florida and am 69 years old. I am in very good health for my age. Never smoked, tobacco products at least, but washospitalized for a week with a bad case of pneumonia 27 years ago, after flying around the world on business in 6 days (Newark-Tokyo-Singapore-London-Newark). I have tickets to 5 productions in the next 2 weeks, expect no refunds and no ability to exchange tickets, based on performance schedules. Despite having to eat (for my wife and I) about $800 in tickets (four of the tickets are atnon-profits), I am not considering going. Sunk cost, minimize risk, etc.

Despite this, I am personally in the camp that believes that, when this thing has passed, we are probably going to look back and conclude that the impact on (previously heathy) virus contractors was pretty minimal STATISTICALLY. But, then I say...why take a chance?

Somewhere in this thread, a person mentioned that he lived with his mother who was in bad health (I seem to recall lung-related, but that may not be accurate), but that hewas seeing Virginia Woolf that night. My immediatereaction was that that was an incredibly selfish act. I know everyone wants to see Laurie Metcalf as Martha and all that, but FOR ME that is taking a lot of risk to see something that, while a masterpiece, is revived constantly and also has a great movie for a Va. Woolf fix. Not the same same as live, but is it really worth taking the chance of risking his mother's life.

For two decades (1970s and 1980s), I saw virtually every Broadwayshow that opened, including a number of real stinkers. Then we had a child and and another and thenI took a job 500 miles away from NYC. Two toddlersand distance meant that I attended NY theatre much less from 1990to 1992, andrarely got to the NY theatre from mid-1992until about 2005, otherthan on business trips in the latter years. I have often lamented the fact that I missed a lot of great shows and --although, I may have seen a number of the musicals on tour -- it is not the same thing, plus the vast majority of limited engagement (and not so limited) plays were lost to me. I used to get so frustrated at what I missed but, reflecting back, in the cosmic order of things, life went on. If

I were in close proximity to elderly people, particularly unhealthy ones, I would suck it up for a while (assumption...this one will run its course) and stay home.

 

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Jarethan, Why are you eating the money for your tickets?  I hope you at least pursue a refund.  I cancelled a tour to Europe that I was going to in May, right at the beginning of this crisis.  I got diagnosed with kidney disease at about the same time and felt it was not wise for me to be three plane rides away from home.  Had I listened to other people, I would be out $1069, $969 for plane ticket and $200 land deposit.  Full payment was due  March 1.  I pursued a possible refund with the airline and was surprised to find out they refunded the whole amount back to tour company.  Of course, tour company said nothing.  I ended up getting $649 back.  Tour company stated airline kept $320 for fee, when airline stated I got full refund.  I am disputing the $320 now on credit card.  Let them prove how much I got back from airline. Now they have cancelled all tours.  I am going after the $200 they kept for land deposit.  My point is, originally I thought I would be out the entire amount.

[djoko84]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:17pm

Michelle chouraqui said: " Are people buying tickets for late April/May to replace those cancelled? I don't know whether to grab them now, as they may be hard to get later or wait it out? I know this is unprecedented, but would love to know other's opinions. thx."

I would not buy any tickets now unless they're for months from now. I don't even know what's going to happen to my Music Man tickets for November. This is a very fluid situation and even though shows are closed till April 12th now, there's a strong possibility that they will be closed much longer than that.

 

Updated On: 3/12/20 at 06:17 PM

[AllThatJazz2]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:21pm

I want to see the four shows I had scheduled over the next three days. I want everyone to stay healthy and safe more. An absolutely awful situation all the way around, but the right decision under the circumstances. Much love to all those whose livelihoods will be affected by the shutdown.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:26pm

"This is a very fluid situation and even though shows are closed till April 23rd now..."

I thought it was April 12th. Source?

[mailhandler777]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:28pm

Sutton Ross said: ""This is a very fluid situation and even though shows are closed till April 23rd now..."

I thought it was April 12th. Source?"

It's  April 12th. 

 

I bought a ticket for April 14th to a show. 

[djoko84]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:30pm

Sutton Ross said: ""This is a very fluid situation and even though shows are closed till April 23rd now..."

I thought it was April 12th. Source?"

Yes, sorry I will change above. I have that date in my mind for something else.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:32pm

No problem, thanks guys. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:37pm

Just got an email from The Public Theatre that they’re following Broadway’s lead and canceling all shows until 4/12.

[Michelle chouraqui]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:40pm

I figure if it continues longer, they will again refund for the tickets I buy. I know I sound completely self-centered worrying about trying to see these shows, but I figure my desperation (and those like me) will help broadway bounce back, when the time comes.

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:40pm

Dan Stevens' IG says "we'll be back" so I assume Hangmen still intends to open on Broadway but at a later date?

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:45pm

I hope you’ll allow my post that is only tangentially related to the thread. Maybe it gives a broader perspective of what we’re facing. Maybe not.

I had an experience that left me pretty shaken up today. During my lunch hour at my worksite, I was talking to my doctor’s office in the hallway about whether it’s safe to visit my 83 y.o. mom at her nursing on Sunday. Since I’m traveling, I don’t know who I’m encountering and I don’t if I’m symptom-free if that means I’m not infected or just asymptotic (and therefore capable of being a “carrier”). I also found out I’m not eligible to be tested. The state health department and CDC are only testing those who have traveled to certain countries and are exhibiting symptoms (understandable as the federal government i.e. the White House dropped the ball by not ensuring we had enough tests ready ahead of time to accommodate everyone). Apparently, people in office nearby overheard part of my conversation and reported me to HR, stating I had been exposed and was possibly inflected... I lived through this **** during the AIDS epidemic. The fear, the gossip mongering, the lies. Site coordinator was apologetic. We should be very concerned and be utilizing universal precautions regarding the virus, but this is what happens when people panic. HR guy said if I was lying to him about not being knowingly exposed to an infected person or infected myself, there could be legal ramifications. He was an a$$.

I just got off phone with Oklahoma Health Department. They said my concerns are valid. Incubation period appears (based on available knowledge) to last 2 to 14 days. So I have to use that information to help determine when I could visit her again. I also have another work trip next week (then nothing thankfully until April 12). So no visit this Sunday for sure. I depend on our visits to keep a routine, help keep her oriented (a little) and to lift her spirits (and mine).

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:51pm

Does anyone know how to tell the website people that their ticker is misleading, saying Broadway is closed "Through April 13" and that negates the Monday night shows that'll begin April 13, assuming it stays on schedule.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:53pm

Miles2Go2 said: "I hope you’ll allow my post that is only tangentially related to the thread. Maybe it gives a broader perspective of what we’re facing. Maybe not.

I had an experience that left me pretty shaken up today. During my lunch hour at my worksite, I was talking to my doctor’s office in the hallway about whether it’s safe to visit my 83 y.o. mom at her nursing on Sunday. Since I’m traveling, I don’t know who I’m encountering and I don’t if I’m symptom-free if that means I’m not infected or just asymptotic (and therefore capable of being a “carrier&rdquo. I also found out I’m not eligible to be tested. The state health department and CDC are only testing those who have traveled to certain countries and are exhibiting symptoms (understandable as the federal government i.e. the White House dropped the ball by not ensuring we had enough tests ready ahead of time to accommodate everyone). Apparently, people in office nearby overheard part of my conversation and reported me to HR, stating I had been exposed and was possibly inflected... I lived through this **** during the AIDS epidemic. The fear, the gossip mongering, the lies. Site coordinator was apologetic. We should be very concerned and be utilizing universal precautions regarding the virus, but this is what happens when people panic. HR guy said if I was lying to him about not being knowingly exposed to an infected person or infected myself, there could be legal ramifications. He was an a$$.

I just got off phone with Oklahoma Health Department. They said my concerns are valid. Incubation period appears (based on available knowledge) to last 2 to 14 days. So I have to use that information to help determine when I could visit her again. I also have another work trip next week (then nothing thankfully until April 12). So no visit this Sunday for sure. I depend on our visits to keep a routine, help keep her oriented (a little) and to lift her spirits (and mine).
"

Miles, The choice to visit your mother at the nursing home, may become out of your hands.  I was talking about this particular subject with the Unit Manager, at my mother's nursing home, today.  Based on Trump's speech last night and what other nursing homes have already done, he didn't flat out say so, but reading between his lines, an announcement will be made very soon.  Family members will not be able to visit.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:53pm

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Updated On: 3/12/20 at 06:53 PM

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 6:57pm

ArtMan - yeah, It would help if her nursing home would limit visitors right now, but they are not.

Anyway, I’m watching Chrisley Knows Best (a show I’d be loathe to watch at home) and am ordering a filet mignon from room service plus dessert. LOL. This is what self-care looks like tonight.

[mxfish1313]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 7:03pm

ArtMan said: "Miles2Go2 said: "I hope you’ll allow my post that is only tangentially related to the thread. Maybe it gives a broader perspective of what we’re facing. Maybe not.

I had an experience that left me pretty shaken up today. During my lunch hour at my worksite, I was talking to my doctor’s office in the hallway about whether it’s safe to visit my 83 y.o. mom at her nursing on Sunday. Since I’m traveling, I don’t know who I’m encountering and I don’t if I’m symptom-free if that means I’m not infected or just asymptotic (and therefore capable of being a “carrier&rdquo. I also found out I’m not eligible to be tested. The state health department and CDC are only testing those who have traveled to certain countries and are exhibiting symptoms (understandable as the federal government i.e. the White House dropped the ball by not ensuring we had enough tests ready ahead of time to accommodate everyone). Apparently, people in office nearby overheard part of my conversation and reported me to HR, stating I had been exposed and was possibly inflected... I lived through this **** during the AIDS epidemic. The fear, the gossip mongering, the lies. Site coordinator was apologetic. We should be very concerned and be utilizing universal precautions regarding the virus, but this is what happens when people panic. HR guy said if I was lying to him about not being knowingly exposed to an infected person or infected myself, there could be legal ramifications. He was an a$$.

I just got off phone with Oklahoma Health Department. They said my concerns are valid. Incubation period appears (based on available knowledge) to last 2 to 14 days. So I have to use that information to help determine when I could visit her again. I also have another work trip next week (then nothing thankfully until April 12). So no visit this Sunday for sure. I depend on our visits to keep a routine, help keep her oriented (a little) and to lift her spirits (and mine).
"

Miles, The choice to visit your mother at the nursing home, may become out of your hands. I was talking about this particular subject with the Unit Manager, at my mother's nursing home, today. Based on Trump's speech last night and what other nursing homes have already done, he didn't flat out say so, but reading between his lines, an announcement will be made very soon. Family members will not be able to visit."

My mother just got this news about where my grandma is. Flat out no visitors for thirty days. My grandma was about a week away from being moved back to her apartment, too, but now she can't go to the urologist so that's all getting postponed. It obviously the right choice, just frustrating because she's been in rehab/assisted living for 7 months and was finally starting to walk again. And now this.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 7:04pm

Miles2Go2 said: "ArtMan - yeah, It would help if her nursing home would limit visitors right now, but they are not.

Anyway, I’m watching Chrisley Knows Best (a show I’d be loathe to watch at home) and am ordering a filet mignon from room service plus dessert. LOL. This is what self-care looks like tonight."

I love that show.  It's one of many tv guilty (Housewives on Bravo) pleasures.  He is such a mess.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 7:04pm

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Updated On: 3/12/20 at 07:04 PM

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 7:10pm

My uncle's nursing home banned visitors this past week. He had advanced Parkinson's and only my aunt knew how to feed him. On the one day she could not go he choked to death on a piece of food. My family is shocked and devastated.

[SmoothLover]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 7:17pm

This is off topic but I think according to union standards a cast, crew and front of the house staff can get a full weeks pay if a show halts in the middle of the week. Perhaps someone who knows more about this could comment. I may be wrong.

[Olivia11]

Posted: 3/12/20 at 7:45pm

Miles2Go2 said: "I hope you’ll allow my post that is only tangentially related to the thread. Maybe it gives a broader perspective of what we’re facing. Maybe not.

I had an experience that left me pretty shaken up today. During my lunch hour at my worksite, I was talking to my doctor’s office in the hallway about whether it’s safe to visit my 83 y.o. mom at her nursing on Sunday. Since I’m traveling, I don’t know who I’m encountering and I don’t if I’m symptom-free if that means I’m not infected or just asymptotic (and therefore capable of being a “carrier&rdquo. I also found out I’m not eligible to be tested. The state health department and CDC are only testing those who have traveled to certain countries and are exhibiting symptoms (understandable as the federal government i.e. the White House dropped the ball by not ensuring we had enough tests ready ahead of time to accommodate everyone). Apparently, people in office nearby overheard part of my conversation and reported me to HR, stating I had been exposed and was possibly inflected... I lived through this **** during the AIDS epidemic. The fear, the gossip mongering, the lies. Site coordinator was apologetic. We should be very concerned and be utilizing universal precautions regarding the virus, but this is what happens when people panic. HR guy said if I was lying to him about not being knowingly exposed to an infected person or infected myself, there could be legal ramifications. He was an a$$.

I just got off phone with Oklahoma Health Department. They said my concerns are valid. Incubation period appears (based on available knowledge) to last 2 to 14 days. So I have to use that information to help determine when I could visit her again. I also have another work trip next week (then nothing thankfully until April 12). So no visit this Sunday for sure. I depend on our visits to keep a routine, help keep her oriented (a little) and to lift her spirits (and mine).
"

I’m sorry some idiot reported you to HR, when you are trying to do the right thing. Maybe the a$$hole HR manager should remember that your risking a lot traveling for your company. You deserve better!