Broadway to reopen Sept 14- Page 4

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 7:53pm

bear88 said: "I wish there wasn't so much hedging about proof of vaccination or testing.

While I understand there are logistics that need to be worked out, I don't see myself sitting in a packed theater anytime soon without that and will want to see what is actually planned. Perhaps there will be enough pent-up demand to see shows that it won't matter."

Respectfully, you are looking at something on day one and fretting a lack of pristine clarity. I have been preaching patience for a year regarding reopening. That patience has paid off. Now please give everyone a little time to put meat on the bones. The people who have to make this happen have everything on the line. Demand will not trump (geez I hate that word) safety. I was talking to a friend today, a set designer, and I said this reminded me of tech. You go into tech with a million things that have to come together and on day one the first instinct (mine at least) is that it never will coalesce in the allotted time. But it usual does.It's magic and we will see theatre magic of a new sort over the next months. We made it through the pandemic; we will make it through this. If you are not personally ready at the first opportunity, take your time. 

[rkade21]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 8:02pm

BCfitasafiddle said: "I'll definitely wait until a few weeks or so into performance resuming to see what people's experiences have been.

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I imagined how excited I'd be when this announcement came. I figured I'd cry and start planning a trip or something. And I am excited, don't get me wrong. But I can't help but feel maybe this could've waited."

 

it can’t wait when you have an egomaniac Fovernor competing with an egomaniac Mayor for headlines. 

 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 8:09pm

Mr. Wormwood said: "

There's a developing thing called "Covid re-entry anxiety syndrome" or something like that where people are resorting to their coping strategies developed during the pandemic that are actually irrational in what are now or will be safe situations. Then they still have that "everybody stay home" or "you wouldn't catch me in a crowded theater" holier than thou mentality that isn't reality as more and more get vaccinated."

To be clear, I suffer from this. The introvert in me is dreading re-entry to normal life. But i think confusing that anxiety with spouting off nonsense science is very dangerous.

There is an inherent selfishness in refusing to be vaccinated (I know better than all the scientists! so what if it puts the young/old/infirm in danger!) but for MOST of us who are healthy and vaccinated, its just a poisonous view that should be called out every single time. So whether SouthernCakes or whoever takes some time before coming back to the theater- cool, cool, but lets be loud and clear that there is ZERO merit to the idea that taking the vaccine would harm any menstruating/pregnant women. Its just bunk.

 

 

[rkade21]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 9:43pm

unclevictor said: "WestEndGal said: "Apparently the WSJ says that the Weisslers are planning to reopen Chicago and also a limited run of Waitress with Sara Bareilles as Jenna - interesting about Waitress considering it only just closed. Would it be classed as a revival lol? Also what theater would it go in?! Sara will sell tickets so I guess financially they think it must be worth their while, if only for a limited run. I have mixed feelings though because I saw the very last show last year and it was a perfect evening. "


the weisslers are old and senile and if they think they can make some $$ back that they lost off of sara bareilles, they’re clearly living in la la land. They’re nuts

"

What money did they lose off of sara b?

[unclevictor]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:04pm

rkade21 said: "unclevictor said: "WestEndGal said: "Apparently the WSJ says that the Weisslers are planning to reopen Chicago and also a limited run of Waitress with Sara Bareilles as Jenna - interesting about Waitress considering it only just closed. Would it be classed as a revival lol? Also what theater would it go in?! Sara will sell tickets so I guess financially they think it must be worth their while, if only for a limited run. I have mixed feelings though because I saw the very last show last year and it was a perfect evening. "


the weisslers are old and senile and if they think they can make some $$ back that they lost off of sara bareilles, they’re clearly living in la la land. They’re nuts

"

What money did they lose off of sara b?"

Damn I shoulda used more commas! 
Shoulda said: if they think they can make some $$ back that they lost, off of Sara bareilles, they’re clearly living in la la land. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:16pm

still does not make sense. I would ask what you mean, but I have already learned that you are averse to attempting to clarify your nonsense.

[unclevictor]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:28pm

HogansHero said: "still does not make sense. I would ask what you mean, but I have already learned that you are averse to attempting to clarify your nonsense."

So much snark from u! Stop clutching your pearls. 
you don’t make sense. Again, what is it u do? Enlighten everyone.

let me clarify! This revival or remount of whatever the hell they wanna call it is never gonna happen. The weissler’s attempt to make $$$ back that they lost during the pandemic is futile.  Getting Sara bareilles isn’t gonna make them any $ cause the show ain’t gonna happen. 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:34pm

Hogan, just stop engaging. They'll go away faster.

[Phantom of London]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:44pm

When it comes down to the vaccine I don’t believe anyone in immunosuppressed and no one has a reaction to it. What I do believe is that anti-vaccine is a multi-billion dollar industry, as pointed out by Dr Sanjay Gupta on his excellent documentary on CNN, they look to sell you something else like a remedy to drive metals out of your body.

If Covid affected the young, they be queuing around Walgreen for the vaccine.

[unclevictor]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:46pm

Phantom of London said: "When it comes down to the vaccine I don’t believe anyone in immunosuppressed and no one has a reaction to it.What I do believe is that anti-vaccine is a multi-billion dollar industry, as pointed out by Dr Sanjay Gupta on his excellent documentary on CNN, they look to sell you something else like a remedy to drive metals out of your body.

If Covid affected the young, they be queuing around Walgreen for the vaccine."

Ok....

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:56pm

When it comes down to the vaccine I don’t believe anyone in immunosuppressed and no one has a reaction to it. What I do believe is that anti-vaccine is a multi-billion dollar industry, as pointed out by Dr Sanjay Gupta on his excellent documentary on CNN, they look to sell you something else like a remedy to drive metals out of your body.

If Covid affected the young, they be queuing around Walgreen for the vaccine.

Holy F*cking Sh*tballs. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:58pm

unclevictor said: "So much snark from u! Stop clutching your pearls.
you don’t make sense. Again, what is it u do? Enlighten everyone.

let me clarify! This revival or remount of whatever the hell they wanna call it is never gonna happen. The weissler’s attempt to make $$$ back that they lost during the pandemic is futile. Getting Sara bareilles isn’t gonna make them any $ cause the show ain’t gonna happen."

No snark. No pearls. You have no need to know anything about me. Stop deflecting. Your seams are showing.

Your clarification is nonsense. The last thought on the Weisslers mind is making back pandemic losses (which are minimal). They couldn't care less about that. I think reopening both of their shows in 2021 is stupid, but you have no basis for saying "the show ain't gonna happen." That's just nonsense. 

I take Sutton's counsel that I should just ignore you. And I would because I know it is your oxygen. My only reason for engaging has nothing to do with you. I don't want people who don't know the situation to think you are feeding anyone anything other than BS. But I think maybe I should just cut off the oxygen so good luck to you.  

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 10:59pm

Phantom of London - Gurl you never told us you were out y’f*kin’ mind. Warn us next time!

[ArtMan]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 11:11pm

I am so happy for all of you that you may be able to experience live theater in the near future.  Sadly, my theater will now be centered around tours that come through Jacksonville and Orlando.  My annual or biannual trips to NYC will be no more.  Has nothing to do with Covid, safety or anything dramatic.  Just a new phase in life...if that makes sense?

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 11:12pm

the red flags have been unfurled for a while.

[unclevictor]

Posted: 5/5/21 at 11:13pm

HogansHero said: "unclevictor said: "So much snark from u! Stop clutching your pearls.
you don’t make sense. Again, what is it u do? Enlighten everyone.

let me clarify! This revival or remount of whatever the hell they wanna call it is never gonna happen. The weissler’s attempt to make $$$ back that they lost during the pandemic is futile. Getting Sara bareilles isn’t gonna make them any $ cause the show ain’t gonna happen."

No snark. No pearls. You have no need to know anything about me. Stop deflecting. Your seams are showing.

Your clarification is nonsense. The last thought on the Weisslers mind is making back pandemic losses (which are minimal). They couldn't care less about that. I think reopening both of their shows in 2021 is stupid, but you have no basis for saying "the show ain't gonna happen." That's just nonsense.

I take Sutton's counsel that I should just ignore you. And I would because I know it is your oxygen. My only reason for engaging has nothing to do with you. I don't want people who don't know the situation to think you are feeding anyone anything other than BS. But I think maybe I should just cut off the oxygen so good luck to you. "

Didn’t realize u read minds. Are u psychic? Are u one of the Weisslers? What again is it u do? Enlighten us!

You are not the authority on all things Broadway. People can share their opinions/thoughts here...it’s a message board! Get over it. Stop being rude. Stop feeding people your BS. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 12:04am

unclevictor said: "Didn’t realize u read minds.Are u psychic? Are u one of the Weisslers? What again is it u do? Enlighten us!

You are not the authority on all things Broadway. People can share their opinions/thoughts here...it’s a message board! Get over it. Stop being rude. Stop feeding people your BS."

No mind reading. The man spoke to the WSJ. What you said (without basis) is "it is never gonna happen." That's nonsense. You are of course free to express your opinions and thoughts but when you spout nonsense, and when you decline to answer questions about your assertions, you are going to get called on it. That's how message boards work. And when you do those things repeatedly, it becomes clearer and clearer that you are just showing the attributes of a troll. And when one that happens, Sutton's counsel to me here becomes wiser and wiser. 

[theatreguy12]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 12:32am

RippedMan said: "From Alabama, and I've actually been pretty proud of how our Gov (R) has handled the crisis. Mask mandate, etc. We aren't all backwards rednecks. But keep judging away from your little island up North."

 

A rational response.  Which I think tells of a truth that a lot of people don't want to hear.  How unfair generalizations can be. 

Let's face it, many will say welcome to Californians, but stay home those of you from FL or AL.  Yet the death rates in CA and FL are virtually the same.  Even though the latter opened up a lot sooner than CA did.   What was going on here in CA, despite being in and out of lockdowns, still couldn't come up with much better numbers than FL.

Unfortunately this horrific pandemic had a lot of question marks surrounding it.  And there were the naysayers who questioned it, fought the masks, the whole buzz.  And I personally didn't agree with them.  I felt we all had a responsibility to do our part.  But interesting how two different approaches in FL and CA garnered basically the same results.

To play devil's advocate for a moment though, I would have to question those who say theatergoers are more likely to be the pro-maskers and pro-vaccine people.  I see this as a bit of a generalization too. 

I'm old enough to remember when the AIDS epidemic broke out.  And when there were still a lot of questions as to how it could get passed from one person to another. Yet there were still a lot of guys not wearing condoms because it was an inconvenience, inhibited pleasure, whatever.

I had a discussion with a friend of mine who argued that AIDS, when it was sadly passed from one to another, was between two consenting adults.  As if those were the only two potentially impacted by it.  Her argument was that anti-maskers are potentially exposing a lot of people to it.  Those with AIDS were not.

While I do agree with the potential spread of COVID by irresponsible people who refused to wear masks, I also remember having issues with a guy I would meet who didn't want to put on a condom.  

There was a time when we didn't know how it got spread.  There were still a lot of questions out there.  What we did know is that certainly blood transfusions could spread it.  So any irresponsible behavior could have led to some real problems with that had multiple people been infused with infected blood.  Sputum we weren't sure about. But many guys were still digging their heels in.  We were still living at a time when we didn't know if it just remained between two people.

Yet there were still those who didn't want to wear condoms.  And still don't.

There will be those who say comparing the two is apples and oranges.  But no it's not.  It's about human responsibility.  And those who are not willing to take precautions during a time when an outbreak of a serious virus/illness arises, and there is so much that we don't know.  

Many don't want to be inconvenienced though.  Be it about individual "freedoms," or something as simple as not wanting to inhibit pleasure.  Either way, it's irresponsible. 

 

 

[RippedMan]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 2:36am

If I had to point a finger, Theatreguy12, I'd say it was our past President who pitted all of us against each other. It was always Us vs Them or Blue States vs Red States, which I hate. I'm from Alabama, my parents are split - one is a hardcore Dem one is a hardcore Reb - and we live in a Reb State. I'm a Dem, but I have to applaud our Gov during this time for the way she handled the pandemic. And I think that's okay. I don't think, as a Dem, we have to say ALL Reb suck. But, I think it's important to hold people accountable. I'm a gay male Dem who is from AL, so trust me, I've called out a lot of my Reb friends for things they have done - most notably is the new bill passed in ARK about denying hospital treatments - and saying "This is what you're standing for" when you support these people. 

That said, I don't think Newsom has done a very good job in CA. I think we have to get out of our heads that Blue is better and Red is ignorant, or vice versa depending on your views. We need both views. That's what makes this country great. I don't want to live in a totally Dem work or a totally Reb world. We need the back and forth and holding each other accountable. 

It goes very much with Equity and how they've handled this whole thing. They've been so focused on the "big money" contracts (Broadway, tours) that so many members have lost out of on work because they couldn't/wouldn't focus on the guest artist contracts or the regional work. Myself included. So yeah, it's a weird time. 

[bear88]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 4:12am

HogansHero said: "bear88 said: "I wish there wasn't so much hedging about proof of vaccination or testing.

While I understand there are logistics that need to be worked out, I don't see myself sitting in a packed theater anytime soon without that and will want to see what is actually planned. Perhaps there will be enough pent-up demand to see shows that it won't matter."

Respectfully, you are looking at something on day one and fretting a lack of pristine clarity. I have been preaching patience for a year regarding reopening. That patience has paid off. Now please give everyone a little time to put meat on the bones. The people who have to make this happen have everything on the line. Demand will not trump (geez I hate that word) safety. I was talking to a friend today, a set designer, and I said this reminded me of tech. You go into tech with a million things that have to come together and on day one the first instinct (mine at least)is that it never will coalescein the allotted time. But it usual does.It's magic and we will seetheatre magic of a new sort over the next months. We made it through the pandemic; we will make it through this. If you are not personally ready at the first opportunity, take your time."

I'm out of state, and unless I change my mind and decide to head to New York City for a fall trip, I figured I would wait until next spring anyway. I hope to see some shows in my neck of the woods first. So it's not my first priority.

I am certainly guilty of wanting a lot more clarity about how this is going to work than is probably reasonable to expect at this time. That doesn't mean I don't have questions.

And yes, I do have some qualms about sitting in a packed indoor theater with a bunch of strangers. I certainly would like as many assurances as I can get regarding vaccine or testing requirements. Some of that is my own issue, or that of family members, but I don't think we're alone in having misgivings. It's an issue Broadway will need to address, and what would satisfy me would irk others.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 8:42am

I'll be happy to sit in a packed theater again - but you can guarantee that I'll be donning my mask - just in case!

[JayElle]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 8:51am

Anyone who rides the filthy, body packed subways shouldn't worry about theater exposure.

 

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 9:26am

JayElle said: "Anyone who rides the filthy, body packed subways shouldn't worry about theater exposure.”

Precisely.  Thanks to all this mentioned above, my immune system is like a Mack truck.  Moved to NYC in 2015.  I haven’t had a flu or a cold since 2016.  Zero pain after my 2 vaccine doses - just took a nap afterwards.  I’m ready for you, Broadway!  

 

[rkade21]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 9:49am

BrodyFosse123 said: "JayElle said: "Anyone who rides the filthy, body packed subways shouldn't worry about theater exposure.”

Precisely. Thanks to all this mentioned above, my immune system is like a Mack truck. Moved to NYC in 2015. I haven’t had a flu or a cold since 2016. Zero pain after my 2 vaccine doses - just took a nap afterwards. I’m ready for you, Broadway!

"

Ah hahaha - I moved in 2017 after a life of controlled environment car commutes in California. I got 3-5 colds or flu my first winter here, before I realized my packed 4/5/6 rides could be part of the cause and started sanitizing and washing my hands first thing into the office - almost no illnesses I can remember since then.  Must say I’m excited for packed subways again, for the progress it implies, but am likely gonna mask up for quite a while even fully vaxxed. I also had very mild reactions to my doses. 

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/6/21 at 9:57am

ColorTheHours048 said: "I would buy premium seats to Wicked at this point just to be back in a theater, but I remain very curious to see how producers and creatives emerge from this period of solitude and (hopefully) reflection. Broadway needs to change to be made more accessible and equitable, and I’m hoping that doesn’t get lost in the hoopla of “Well, we’re back.”

I’m mostly excited to see how the landscape of Off-Broadway changes, since it generally relies less on the week-to-week financial viability of whatever work is being presented."

It's a bit much to think that most of these people, in the midst of financial crises, the trauma of isolation and the unsurety of what the world would look like when all this was over, were contemplating any of the issues you raise very much. The past year was probably the worst one, in terms of reflection, ever.