Delta Variant and Broadway — Page 11

BroadwayRox3588 said: "Nothing comes with zero risk. Unless you want to stay at home all the time (which I would not advise), everything you do will come with some risk of contracting or spreading Covid. As I keep saying, we all need to learn how to live with this virus, and figure out how to stop it from dominating our lives. That is also what the science says.

And to another point, I think most people in this thread are trying to balance fear with reason, and not let the former take precedence over the latter."

Very well-put.

Very few here are throwing caution to the wind, but cherry picking "science," leaving out its continuing evolution (e.g., no mention by Snarker of boosters), and ignoring that vacinnated people can create reasonable personal safety with masks if need be, is not a very good way of justifying a fortress mentality.

whatever2 said: "and the Metropolitan Opera has just announced a mandatory vaccination policy for its audiences."

Did I miss how theaters will check for that? Sorry if I did.

If it takes 45 mins to simply scan and seat a thousand people, I wonder how they plan on checking this and how strict and thorough they will be with this requirement, if at all.

VintageSnarker said: "The science says vaccines may only be 60% effective 4-6 months after your second dose, especially as new variants gain traction.

No, it doesn't. The Pfizer vaccine is 84% effective after 4 months. And if we assume (a very dangerous thing in science) the efficacy continues to decline at the same rate, after six months it would be 81%.

The science says you can still spread covid if you're vaccinated and wearing masks.

In real world analysis, there was no measured covid-19 spread from a vaccinated person to a non-vaccinated person, masked or otherwise. Though the Delta variant has changed that. The Delta variant not only can be spread by vaccinated individuals, it is as transmissable as the chicken pox. But if you are vaccinated you are still protected.

The science says even having a "mild" case of covid may have longterm neurological and respiratory effects.

Define "mild". Only those experience long-term COVID-19 illness (i.e., they took more than two weeks to recover) have demonstrated lingering effects.

The science says that covid is much more dangerous than the flu.

Welcome to February 2020.

But people in this thread don't want to hear it. To clarify, I think everyone should be vaccinated and wearing masks.

If everyone is vaccinated, there is no real need for masks. Breakthrough cases are statistically small to the point of being a non-factor. If they were allowing unvaccinated people in as well, then I'd agree.

But pretending it makes you completely safe and that you can happily go to restaurants and sit in close quarters (like a theater) without any risk of contracting covid or spreading it to others is being in denial.

No one here is arguing that, but the COVID-19 efficacy is on par with that for other viruses, so the current danger is only for the unvaccinated (and no amount of mask wearing by those who were vaccinated is going to stop the variants from forming: that's all being done by the unvaccinated).

I want to go to the theater again too. But I am aware that if I do, it will be a calculated risk and I am perfectly willing to cancel any tickets I purchase if things worsen in the fall."

If you are fully vaccinated in a room with other fully vaccinated people, there is practically no risk.

blaxx said: "whatever2 said: "and the Metropolitan Opera has just announced a mandatory vaccination policy for its audiences."

Did I miss how theaters will check for that? Sorry if I did.

If it takes 45 mins to simply scan and seat a thousand people, I wonder how they plan on checking this and how strict and thorough they will be with this requirement, if atall."

How do you arrive at the 45 minute number? For Springsteen, as an example, the doors open 45 minutes prior and they scan and admit 1600 people -- and that''s just with having 2 people doing the scanning. The Met has the space and capabilities to have 10x as many FOH security people scanning.

Playbill_Trash said: "Don’t tell me you’re immune from this delta variant because of these current vaccines. It’s breaking through more every day."

You seem determined to remain oblivious to the essential points. No one is immune from any variant. That's not the issue however and never has been with any of these viruses. The issue is whether becoming infected causes you to become sick in a significant way, and that remains extremely unlikely, to the point that if it persuades you to stay home, you should already be staying home to avoid traffic accidents, not to mention stray gunshots.

Well it's official. The big wigs at Disney continue have bigger balls than our military leaders

Disney to require workforce vaccinations

Updated On: 7/30/21 at 08:09 PM

Theater3232 said: "How has demand been for current/recent off-Broadway this spring/summer?

The Housewives of Secaucus (Actors Temple) has downgraded to just one performance a week.

Blindness (Daryl Roth) closed over a month early.

Lilies (Theater Center) couldn't even finish its limited 1 month run and closed a week early.

Fruma Sarah (cell theater) seemed to buck the trend and was sold out its entire run.

Does this tell us anything about August/September sales? How will constantly changing Delta news affect theatergoers? I'm rooting for the performers/staff since this is their livelihood, but I worry.

Bad shows close post covid just as they did pre-covid. The shows you mention that closed were bad bordering on garbage; the one that was good thrived. I think that a lot of Broadway shows are going to have a rough go of it once they get beyond an opening bounce, especially the tourist dependent ones. I have said this many times but too many shows are opening too soon. I pray for a miracle. But the quality shows that can find a regional audience will be fine, all things being equal.



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Playbill_Trash said: "To respond to the title of this thread, the former will lead to the cancellation of the latter. We’ll end up being right where we were with no broadway. Don’t tell me you’re immune from this delta variant because of these current vaccines. It’s breaking through more every day. "


This sounds so unfounded and unhinged. The CDC is closely watching Provincetown which started the conversations about break through infections after the 4th holiday. The spiking numbers were alarming but also showed the efficacy of the vaccines. The majority of infected weren’t becoming ill. Also, the numbers in Ptown are now dropping again.

There is another worrisome groups outside of the anti-vaxxers and that is the demographic that loves fear. The people that love to shout fire in crowded buildings. They get off on creating paranoia. It’s disturbing. As Hogan said, it’s a waiting game. We will see what the numbers and data show in the coming weeks. It’s not looking as fatalistic as many want us to believe. However, caution, care, and masking are a good idea until we have more data.

Updated On: 7/31/21 at 12:29 PM