#1
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:38pm
There goes any televised promotion for SWEENEY TODD. Plus, we won't get to see any of the stars (hopefully) win!
Golden Globes cancelled : (
#2
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:39pm
"There goes any televised promotion for SWEENEY TODD."
There is televised promotion. It's called "commercials". Besides, the Golden Globes are a joke, and so is the HFPA.
There is televised promotion. It's called "commercials". Besides, the Golden Globes are a joke, and so is the HFPA.
#3
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:43pm
Seriously?
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#4
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:45pm
Rumor.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Golden-Globes-To-Be-Totally-Cancalled-7405.html
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Golden-Globes-To-Be-Totally-Cancalled-7405.html
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#5
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:47pm
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/exclusive-golden-globes-cancelled/
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
#6
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:51pm
"I'm hearing from my sources that NBC will not be broadcasting a big Golden Globes show as planned for January 13th."
I'm still calling rumor until I see an official announcement. Although this is not a good sign.
I'm still calling rumor until I see an official announcement. Although this is not a good sign.
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#7
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:56pm
I don't see what the big deal is if it is cancelled. Every year, all you hear the day after the ceremony is how boring the awards were; what a waste of time; why do we even watch these dumb awards, etc. ad infin.
And now people are getting all fussy that they actually aren't happening. You can't win for losing.
And now people are getting all fussy that they actually aren't happening. You can't win for losing.
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#8
Posted: 1/7/08 at 3:58pm
Variety:
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=awardcentral&jump=news&articleid=VR1117978528
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=awardcentral&jump=news&articleid=VR1117978528
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
#9
Posted: 1/7/08 at 4:15pm
I like the Golden Globes. Watch them almost every year. They are actually almost more fun than the Oscars because everyone has been drinking by the time they get to the stage!
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#10
Posted: 1/7/08 at 4:24pm
The WGA is just being stupid, as are the actors who are still supporting them. I 100% supported them when the strike began, but not so much anymore. I feel they are being greedy, and in the end I wonder if they truly see that it's the fans of their shows that are "hurting", because no one will care when the strike is over about the shows they once watched.
#11
Posted: 1/7/08 at 4:28pm
UPDATE to the RUMOR:
" UPDATE: It looks like the announcement of the winners will actually include stars, all dressed up, accepting their awards, but without speeches, montages and the rest of the hubbub. Still no red carpet, sadly. "
" UPDATE: It looks like the announcement of the winners will actually include stars, all dressed up, accepting their awards, but without speeches, montages and the rest of the hubbub. Still no red carpet, sadly. "
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#12
Posted: 1/7/08 at 4:29pm
The writers are being greedy?
AHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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Wanting life but never knowing how
#13
Posted: 1/7/08 at 4:32pm
The writers are greedy because we want a small piece of the millions being earned now and to be earned in the future via the internet and other new media, while the producers insist on pocketing 100% of the profits? Really? Is that the position you want to take because - boo hoo! - you can't see the Golden Globes this year? Grow up, please.
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#14
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:06pm
http://theenvelope.latimes.com/awards/globes/env-goldenglobes7jan07,0,3725488.story?coll=env-home-top-headlines
Is this still considered rumor? Looks like a pretty solid plan.
Is this still considered rumor? Looks like a pretty solid plan.
#15
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:09pm
The stakes here are about a lot more than just writers getting a few bucks right now. This strike is a harbinger of how negotiations will go with SAG and DGA later this year as well. Knocking out the Golden Globes is a seriously blow for the HFPA, NBC, and the Hollywood community as a whole. I hope it is the straw that breaks the camel's back and gets the producers back to the negotiating table.
#16
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:13pm
Yeah, and I wouldn't worry at all about the Oscars being affected in a major way by the strike; if anything is going to get this whole thing settled, it'll be the producer's fear that their biggest Hollywood night would be compromised.
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#17
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:18pm
As of 2:15pm PST, nothing has been officially announced regarding the telecast of Sunday's Golden Globes. Keep checking the official site of The Hollywood Foreign Press Association.
#18
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:18pm
the whole awards season is so confused these days anyway. Every organization and its mother have a ceremony. The prestige has been distilled from the these events.
It was fun to watch Jack get drunk though. I'll miss that.
It was fun to watch Jack get drunk though. I'll miss that.
#19
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:21pm
I don't even watch the golden globes. Just tired of people who are overpaid as it is (most of those on strike make more than a two income family does!) complaining that they want more. Do I think the writers should get shares of the internet profits? SURE! But the strike has gone on long enough, and sadly...no one is going to care about the shows they write for when the strike is over, or the hands both sides (WGA and studios) burned (from TV watchers, to actors, to cooks, to wardrobe people...etc.) while duking it out. Maybe I should go on strike from my 45,000 a year job because I KNOW the CEOs are making millions from my hard work. Gimme a break.
Updated On: 1/7/08 at 05:21 PM
#20
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:30pm
"(most of those on strike make more than a two income family does!)"
Where did you get this info? I was under this crazy impression that there were a decent amount of young writers with low paying jobs (if any) joining the picket lines.
"no one is going to care about the shows they write for when the strike is over"
Methinks you underestimate the love people have for TV shows. Are you saying once the strike ends, people will not want to watch the shows that are currently on hiatus aka pretty much all of them?
Where did you get this info? I was under this crazy impression that there were a decent amount of young writers with low paying jobs (if any) joining the picket lines.
"no one is going to care about the shows they write for when the strike is over"
Methinks you underestimate the love people have for TV shows. Are you saying once the strike ends, people will not want to watch the shows that are currently on hiatus aka pretty much all of them?
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#21
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:34pm
Whatever a person's salary is, isn't the issue on the writer's strike. If they make a fortune or a small fortune, that's not the issue. The issue is what's fair and right. They are only asking for what they deserve...nothing more. Are they "overpaid" when compared to the average person's salary....probably...who knows?
Yes, the Broadway Stage Strike lost millions in ticket sales, restaurants, hotels, etc. The actors and box office staff who honored their fellow workers and didn't cross the picket line, did the right thing. You have to be supportive of one another.
Yes, CEO's make millions. That's just the way it is. Maybe, one day you'll be a CEO yourself.
Yes, the Broadway Stage Strike lost millions in ticket sales, restaurants, hotels, etc. The actors and box office staff who honored their fellow workers and didn't cross the picket line, did the right thing. You have to be supportive of one another.
Yes, CEO's make millions. That's just the way it is. Maybe, one day you'll be a CEO yourself.
#22
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:35pm
I know many writers in California, and yes...most of them make a minimum of $80,000 dollars a year. Does everyone make this much? Of course not, but the majority of sucessful writers make more money then most average two-income homes do. Most TV scripts go for $30,000 per episode written. If you sell three episodes a year you're set! As I said before, I think they deserve a fair share of internet profit, but I can't be too sad for them because they DO make what is considered a "good" income and now they want more.
And no, I don't think people will flock back to the shows like they used to. If you look back on the strike from the 80s you can see just how many shows were ruined by the strike. After the strike many popular shows never found the same number of viewers (like Moonlighting) and was cancelled.
And no, I don't think people will flock back to the shows like they used to. If you look back on the strike from the 80s you can see just how many shows were ruined by the strike. After the strike many popular shows never found the same number of viewers (like Moonlighting) and was cancelled.
Updated On: 1/7/08 at 05:35 PM
#23
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:43pm
Yet you have no problem with the producers who get the millions they make from the internet/DVD sales? Both the producers and the writers make considerably more than the working middle class, generally speaking...yet you choose to side with the producers just because you want your TV shows back? Either way - you are supporting a side that makes more money than you do.
It's such an uninformed/ignorant mindset of 'I want my shows back! Stupid writers for going on strike!' that the producers count on for their public support to pressure the WGA. Shame shame shame.
It's such an uninformed/ignorant mindset of 'I want my shows back! Stupid writers for going on strike!' that the producers count on for their public support to pressure the WGA. Shame shame shame.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
#24
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:43pm
I know a lot of writers here in LA as well. Sounds like we are both on the same page regarding that. There are no new talks scheduled as of now. Who knows how long it will last?
The fact that they make more money than the average person really seems to bother you. And, that's unfortunate. Regardless of what one's income is, when the money isn't coming in...that's tough.
A lot of the daytime soaps got really messed up in 1987 during the last writer's strike. Many of the primetime shows for the new 87-88 season were delayed since the strike was in the summer.
The fact that they make more money than the average person really seems to bother you. And, that's unfortunate. Regardless of what one's income is, when the money isn't coming in...that's tough.
A lot of the daytime soaps got really messed up in 1987 during the last writer's strike. Many of the primetime shows for the new 87-88 season were delayed since the strike was in the summer.
Updated On: 1/7/08 at 05:43 PM
#25
Posted: 1/7/08 at 5:48pm
Flyingmonkey1223, I won't flame you for your uneducated comments (wow, I just flamed you anyway) but instead suggest that you take the time to visit either The Huffington Post or United Hollywood and read some of their very knowledgeable writing on the subject.
As a WGA member for 20 years, I can guarantee you this is a battle worth fighting and at least 60% of the country seems to agree with us.
If it is necessary to lose the rest of this year's television season, the Globes, the Oscars and even next season, we are prepared to do this. And why? Because this isn't just a battle for "a few dollars more" but a battle for our survival as creative individuals.
The television series and films (and the plays and musicals) we all enjoy come from the creative minds of a small group of writers who spend years, sometimes decades honing their craft and developing their scrips. The average gestation period for a movie is four-to-seven years. During most of that period, the writer is working on spec, or on about 10% - 20% of the fee he will get paid IF the film get made (and most commissioned screenplays do not get filmed).
In television, the writer is paid a script fee and a bonus of almost as much again for the network reruns. But the networks have stopped rerunning most shows and instead now make them available "on demand" online - for which they propose to pay us $250.00 a YEAR for the rights. That means we would lose $19,750 per episode. The average writer is lucky to get a single episode a season, the lucky ones two or three at the most.
In addition, our health benefits are paid for by adding an proportional fee on each script (with matching deductions from the writer - you know, the guy who just lost $19,750.00 per script). So suddenly, with this new formula, there's no funding for health care and that is unacceptable.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, pal. The studios and networks are trying to destroy our unions so they can treat us like the third world employees their parent corporations are already taking advantage of in most of the other wings of the company. The one saving grace for writers and actors is that, aside from Canada and The UK, there are very few places the big media can go to get English speaking actors and writers.
But I fear "Olaf's Love Affair at Euro Disney" is already being developed offshore as a contingency.
As a WGA member for 20 years, I can guarantee you this is a battle worth fighting and at least 60% of the country seems to agree with us.
If it is necessary to lose the rest of this year's television season, the Globes, the Oscars and even next season, we are prepared to do this. And why? Because this isn't just a battle for "a few dollars more" but a battle for our survival as creative individuals.
The television series and films (and the plays and musicals) we all enjoy come from the creative minds of a small group of writers who spend years, sometimes decades honing their craft and developing their scrips. The average gestation period for a movie is four-to-seven years. During most of that period, the writer is working on spec, or on about 10% - 20% of the fee he will get paid IF the film get made (and most commissioned screenplays do not get filmed).
In television, the writer is paid a script fee and a bonus of almost as much again for the network reruns. But the networks have stopped rerunning most shows and instead now make them available "on demand" online - for which they propose to pay us $250.00 a YEAR for the rights. That means we would lose $19,750 per episode. The average writer is lucky to get a single episode a season, the lucky ones two or three at the most.
In addition, our health benefits are paid for by adding an proportional fee on each script (with matching deductions from the writer - you know, the guy who just lost $19,750.00 per script). So suddenly, with this new formula, there's no funding for health care and that is unacceptable.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, pal. The studios and networks are trying to destroy our unions so they can treat us like the third world employees their parent corporations are already taking advantage of in most of the other wings of the company. The one saving grace for writers and actors is that, aside from Canada and The UK, there are very few places the big media can go to get English speaking actors and writers.
But I fear "Olaf's Love Affair at Euro Disney" is already being developed offshore as a contingency.
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