Kevin Spacey 2017 Tony Awards Host — Page 4

Sondheimite said: "How f*cking nuts that a nobody on a message board feels like they have the authority to say that someone's choice in the way they publicly present their sexuality to millions of people "isn't working"?"

Well, I was specifically responding to the idea, brought up by Valentina, that his strategy was intended to avoid celebrity gossip. If that's the goal, then, no, I don't think it's working.

Anyhow, I'll bow out now, since I've contributed enough to derailing the thread, and I apologize for that. (Though I did refrain from becoming hostile to others who disagreed with me.)

Yeah I didn't mean to get into this fight myself, tried to be respectful of people but some of you feel far too strongly about Kevin Spacey's sexual preferences. Sorry you got dragged into something while addressing me, kdogg36. We cool?

At first I was like, really? But then I realized he'll be great as a host. He's always memorable on award shows as a presenter, he's hosted SNL, and he'll bring some charm to the show without being unctuous. Theatre people love him, Netflix people like him, movie people like him. Plus kids I guess, if you count whoever watched that Nine Lives movie.

Sondheimite said: "Do you understand that everyone in the entire world has a complex list of reasons in their consciousness that causes them to make the decisions that they do? Do you understand that people make decisions based on things that you could never understand because you will never be privy to the information? Or do you see things with the same type of black and white mentality that caused the LGBTQ community to be so hated by those who did not understand them for so long? This way of thinking is no less damaging than what the religious right does. The world is not black and white, you don't get to make other people's decisions for them based on YOUR LIFE.



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I understand that human beings are complicated. Nonetheless, we have responsibilities, political and otherwise.

If you think we LGBTQ people have been hated because of our strong political opinions, you are a moron. Try reading a history book: it was only when a group gays and drag queens expressed their opinions by throwing beer bottles that public attitudes began to change. It was those who raised their voices and, yes, threw condoms at St. Patrick's Cathedral who finally got government action on an epidemic that was killing us.

If you think political queers do as much damage as the religious right, then you are even more clueless than you seemed in your previous sentence.

I feel that a discussion of Kevin Spacey's sexuality has no place on this board; absolutely no one is entitled to know anything about a celebrity.

A conversation about the accusations that he is predatory, manipulative, and abuses his power, however, are more than justified. Most of the rumors about Spacey's sexuality revolve around him sleeping with much, much younger men, while he was in a position of authority/power over them. While these stories are, admittedly, unverified, there's a lot of them. Like, a ton. And that's what's concerning about Spacey hosting, for me-- when are we going to stop sweeping under the rug accusations like this?

Great pick.

I just think it is ironic that a group of people (making assumptions here) who have always said it is no one's business who they sleep with think it is OK for THEM to question other people's sexual preferences or try to 'out' them.



Anyone doing that is a hypocrite, IMHO>





Spacey as host (that WAS the topic, right?) Meh..

Let's talk about that very 'undetectable Sirs' atop his head instead.

That's what one says[of a certain era] in Aussie when one approaches one on the street.

'That's a very undetectable Sirs'...then lots of giggles.

That's textbook relativism, elephant, and personally, I find it repellent.

Literally no one in this thread used the word “duty.” I don’t even know what that kind of imperative would imply in this context. Man. Some of y’all need a rhetoric class.

Coming out of the closest is the only way to increase queer visibility...in the media and elsewhere. I cannot believe that we are still having this conversation on this board. I go back to the olden days of BWW and we seem to not be able to get off this carousel ride. Yes...Spacey and every other gay celebrity can absolutely stay in their glass closets. And I can have a very strong opinion about that. Namely, I think it's repugnant. A bunch of us on this board grew up at a time when there were very few out celebrities. And we also grew up at a time when the generation ahead of us was dying. Some of us are a part of that generation that died. We know how literal 'Silence = Death' is. If you don't understand this, then either you've forgotten, or you were lucky enough to not live through it.

Spacey can do as he pleases...he always has and he always will. It doesn't change the fact that I think he's a fantastic actor. But it does make me think less of him as a person. He'll be fine. I'll be fine. It's just a shame that he continues to reinforce the power of the closet.

Updated On: 4/19/17 at 10:30 AM

My out-for-25-years gay ass says, 'J'adore, Dior' to you, growl!

(ETA: Holy f*ck, I just realized this is my 25th anniversary out of the closet. My gayness can now rent a car!!)

Updated On: 4/19/17 at 10:47 AM

Also, I'd like to reiterate, that I think the more important conversation here is not whether or not Kevin Spacey is queer, but whether or not it is acceptable to allow a known(ish) sexual predator to host an awards show of this caliber.

Thank you for bringing this up. I've also heard many, many rumors about this and it's the primary reason I am not thrilled with this hosting decision.