Kevin Spacey 2017 Tony Awards Host- Page 3

[Cat Guy]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 4:50pm

His life, his decision.  I look forward to seeing Spacey host the Tony Awards.

[GreasedLightning]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 4:53pm

I'm with you, BroadwayConcierge. 

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 5:05pm

Billy Eichner said this about Queen Latifah, but I think it sums my feelings up well, especially in regards to the whole "it's his private life" line:

"I do think one does have a responsibility, not only to your audience but particularly in the world we’re now living in and about to enter into with Mike Pence and his ilk running the show. What does bother me is when you see a closeted celebrity say, "Oh, I just don’t talk about my personal life." Okay, but what about your ten-page spread in Architectural Digest? Or your multiple profiles in People magazine about every other aspect in your life? I don’t buy that for a second. We’re all on our own journey, and I respect that. But maybe reconsider your journey?"

I do think it's worth mentioning that Kevin Spacey isn't some kid who will get tossed out of their house or killed if they come out. He is a fully grown man who has won an Oscar and a Tony, and is currently on a hit TV show. And a quick Google search would show that he pretty brazenly and frequently hits on other men. Can he do whatever he wants? Sure. But given his stature and where our society is in regards to gay acceptance, I don't have a problem calling his choice lazy at best. 

[mamaleh]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 5:10pm

I think it's an inspired choice.  I'll watch no matter who is hosting, but I'll bet Spacey will be an excellent, entertaining host. 

[Valentina3]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 5:17pm

Reading this back to back was a bit funny, not gonna lie - 

"But given his stature and where our society is in regards to gay acceptance, I don't have a problem calling his choice lazy at best."

"I think it's an inspired choice".


That's all, you all can continue fighting.

[Wilmingtom]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 5:28pm

What's with all of the homophobia here, of all places?  Spacey was out when I met him in the early 80s.  Is he expected to discuss his sexuality every time he does an interview?  Do we expect that of Bradley Cooper or Denzel or Pacino?  I've never heard any of them discuss their sexuality and why should they?  There's nothing as thrilling as your own sex life and nothing as boring as someone else's.    

[newintown]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 5:48pm

Really, Wilmington? Really?

1) Spacey has never been out. I promise to retract that statement if you can link to any news item where he talks about being gay.

2) Cooper, Washington, Pacino and all straight men are constantly photographed at home, restaurants, events, vacation spots holding hands, making out with other sex dates, spouses, or hook ups. STRAIGHT PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO COME OUT. Have you heard that one before?

Honestly, the level of social political awareness here seems to often be arrested at that of the level of a rather backward 5-year old.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 5:51pm

Just to add on, the notion that being out is "describing your sex life" is a big reason why homophobia persists. It's a well-worn argument that children in particular shouldn't be exposed to gay people because it's exposure to a sexual lifestyle, but if I or anyone else mentions I'm gay it's no more describing my sex life than it is when my sister introduces someone as her husband. It's a gross double standard and always has been. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:02pm

Sociopolitical awareness requires yanking the sexuality out of somebody when they're not yet at liberty to do so?

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:02pm

BroadwayConcierge said: "However, to say that closeted celebrities have a responsibility or an obligation or a moral accountability to come out is totally absurd."

Do you think it's okay for them to outright lie about it? (This is a general question; I don't know enough about Kevin Spacey to be sure that's what he's done.)

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:04pm

kdogg36 said: "Do you think it's okay for them to outright lie about it? (This is a general question; I don't know enough about Kevin Spacey to be sure that's what he's done.)"

It's their sexual identity. Of course they can "lie" if they want to. Lord knows I told many people I was straight when I knew otherwise before I came out. How is it anybody else's place to be bothered by what anybody else chooses to say about his or her identity?

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:18pm

BroadwayConcierge said: "It's their sexual identity. Of course they can "lie" if they want to. Lord knows I told many people I was straight when I knew otherwise before I came out. How is it anybody else's place to be bothered by what anybody else chooses to say about his or her identity?"

I did, too, but I recognize now that it was the wrong thing to do. At least once I knew I was an adult in a community where I'd be safe in coming out.

Assuming Kevin Spacey is gay, I doubt anyone would hold his earlier claims against him if he came out. But for a person like him to choose to stay in the closet, when it would be perfectly safe to come out, is not a neutral thing to me.

I mean, I came out to my students and colleagues when I was a teacher at a Catholic school and I lost my job (my contract wasn't renewed, though admittedly I wouldn't have stayed anyhow). It's hard to muster sympathy for someone whose coming out would be positively celebrated by his peers. 

All this comes with the caveat that I don't know as much about Kevin Spacey as others here seem to.

 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:19pm

Spacey as the 15th choice? Probably. We know they asked Corden, Faye, Jackman & NPH. They probably asked Colbert, too. Who knows how many others were asked and turned it down(Lane? Midler? Goldberg? O'Donnell?).

[Valentina3]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:25pm

ACL2006 said: "Spacey as the 15th choice? Probably. We know they asked Corden, Faye, Jackman & NPH. They probably asked Colbert, too. Who knows how many others were asked and turned it down(Lane? Midler? Goldberg? O'Donnell?).

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Probably just a random number thrown out, I wouldn't put much stock in it.

 

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:29pm

Wilmingtom said: "What's with all of the homophobia here, of all places?  Spacey was out when I met him in the early 80s.  Is he expected to discuss his sexuality every time he does an interview?  Do we expect that of Bradley Cooper or Denzel or Pacino?  I've never heard any of them discuss their sexuality and why should they?  There's nothing as thrilling as your own sex life and nothing as boring as someone else's."


Kevin Spacey hasn't discussed his sexuality ANY time he has done an interview. It's probably verboten by his publicists to even bring it up.

Meanwhile Bradley Cooper just announced his girlfriend had their baby last week. That definitely qualifies as "discussing his sexuality."


kdogg36 said: "Do you think it's okay for them to outright lie about it? (This is a general question; I don't know enough about Kevin Spacey to be sure that's what he's done.)"

He did. He had a longtime beard in the 90s who he kissed when he won his American Beauty Oscar.

Updated On: 4/18/17 at 06:29 PM

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 6:45pm

BroadwayConcierge said: "If Kevin Spacey came out, would gay teen suicides decline?"

Of course not, you unconscionable turd, but if even a majority of closeted people -- and probably a smaller fraction of famous closeted people, musicians, artists, actors, athletes, politicians, etc -- came out, they absolutely would. That's the point, you blithering wank machine.

[Valentina3]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:01pm

Orangeskittles, have you considered the possibility that he could be bisexual? And American Beauty was 1998. Surely you don't begrudge a Hollywood actor staying in closet in 1998?

He has publicly stated that he does not want his private life to ever be a matter of celebrity gossip and he refuses to engage in that conversation.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:06pm

Valentina3 said: "He has publicly stated that he does not want his private life to ever be a matter of celebrity gossip and he refuses to engage in that conversation."

Well, clearly that choice isn't working. :) No one would be talking about his sexuality on this thread, or probably anywhere else, if he was open about it.

 

[theatreguy12]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:10pm

It seems like he is open about it.  But open without standing in front of a camera and announcing it to the world.

He's been seen kissing a woman at the Oscars apparently.  And according to quite a few on here he brazenly hits on and beds men.  If it's brazen, it sure isn't hiding it.

Maybe he's allowing his bisexuality (if that's what he is) to speak for itself, without making a statement about it.

[nycward]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:14pm

I personally feel that everyone makes these decisions for themselves and we as bystanders really shouldn't judge. It only crosses the line when the closeted individual makes homophobic comments or supports homophobic policies as some politicians do. At that point they deserve the pushback...bigtime!!!

[Sondheimite]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:21pm

This thread is filled with bi-phobia.  Let's be honest about some of what's gone on in this thread:  A lot of people feeling entitled to know the sexual orientation of someone who they will probably never meet and a lot of people who have never thought for one second that bisexuality is a real thing (if he even is bisexual).  Have you ever considered how deluded it makes someone seem to think that they have some kind of right to know someone else's sexuality?

[hork]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:23pm

Kevin Stacey's sexuality is nobody's business but Kevin Spacey's. He's a private person and it's my impression that even if he had a girlfriend, he wouldn't talk about her in interviews. Let the man live his life. 

[hork]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:24pm

And to get back on topic, I think he's a great choice for host. 

[Sondheimite]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:25pm

kdogg36 said: 

Well, clearly that choice isn't working. :) No one would be talking about his sexuality on this thread, or probably anywhere else, if he was open about it.
 

How f*cking nuts that a nobody on a message board feels like they have the authority to say that someone's choice in the way they publicly present their sexuality to millions of people "isn't working"? 
 

 

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[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/18/17 at 7:26pm

Sondheimite said: "Have you ever considered how deluded it makes someone seem to think that they have some kind of right to know someone else's sexuality?"

Well, for the most part we know the sexuality of straight celebrities by default, because they associate romantically with the opposite sex and have no need to hide it. Something similar should be the case with non-straight celebrities, too. The fact that there's an asymmetry here is primarily the fault of homophobia in our society, but people who could safely come out and choose not to are also a part of the problem.