Ryan Murphy's HOLLYWOOD on Netflix- Page 4

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 4:09pm

Skip23 said: "Loved this uber-fantasy.



Two quibbles - why couldn't they find goodactors to play Rock Hudson and the starring girl in Meg. These two were just wrong.



"

Apart from Criss most of the youngsters are shockingly bad.

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 4:59pm

Impossible2 said: "Once again the gays are horribly represented, but most people don't seem to care about that as long as they get to watch a few hot pretty boys make out."

If it's by Ryan Murphy, you know at least one gay character will be a sociopath. Yet many gay viewers are obsessed with his work. I don't get it. 

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 5:04pm

Binge watched it over weekend. Would give it a,solid 8. Read the book and a lot of it was not touched on. Shame it ended after #7

The cast was uniformly top notch.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 5:06pm

The last Ep is so excruciatingly nauseating I don't know where to begin...

[Plannietink08]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 5:23pm

SweetLips22 said: 


“...the young guns, they'll never work in that town again”
 

Sure, Jan.


Any audience knows the background of Rock Hudson so why choose that name and turn him into an out there homo when the opposite is well documented. I don't know if he really was that dumb but there is no way he could have morphed into a leading man opposite Darling Doris from this character. All the others weren't 'names' [Anna May Wong perhaps] so why call him Rock Hudson?
 

Ryan Murphy has said that he chose to portray Hollywood actors who never got a happy ending and decided to rewrite history. Wong winning an Oscar and giving her the starring role she never got in reality, Hudson living happily his partner instead of being closeted and dying of AIDs. It’s supposed to be the very opposite of historically accurate. 

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 5:34pm

joevitus said: "Impossible2 said: "Once again the gays are horribly represented, but most people don't seem to care about that as long as they get to watch a few hot pretty boys make out."

If it's by Ryan Murphy, you know at least one gay character will be a sociopath. Yet many gay viewers are obsessed with his work. I don't get it."

I’ve felt this often too. His queer representation is often really detrimental. I think he has some internalized homophobia, cause he makes just heinous characters. Even the gay characters on glee ended up being horrible people

 

[VotePeron]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 6:11pm

Was anyone else waiting for the show to have a Meg style twist ending? Where they actually won no awards, with the message being more along the lines of “you can still do great work and be who you are but winning isn’t everything”?

To have the show end the way it did, was so obvious, so underwhelming, and ultimately unsatisfying. They did nothing to prove these people deserved the awards they won *besides* the fact they were gay or people of color? I know it’s a fantasy and we want to see ourselves represented, but it felt so forced fed to us I didn’t care.

I also couldn’t believe Jim Parson’s character redemption arc. Like I get it comes from a place of internalized homophobia, but to dedicate the entire final 20 minutes to him? Yikes.

I didn’t like Once Upon A Time...In Hollywood that much better, but at least that made me think and didn’t treat me like an idiot. Jim, Holland, and Patti made this worthwhile, but hardly.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 6:45pm

VotePeron said: "Was anyone else waiting for the show to have a Meg style twist ending? Where they actually won no awards, with the message being more along the lines of “you can still do great work and be who you are but winning isn’t everything”?

To have the show end the way it did, was so obvious, so underwhelming, and ultimately unsatisfying. They did nothing to prove these people deserved the awards they won *besides* the fact they were gay or people of color? I know it’s a fantasy and we want to see ourselves represented, but it felt so forced fed to us I didn’t care.

I also couldn’t believe Jim Parson’s character redemption arc. Like I get it comes from a place of internalized homophobia, but to dedicate the entire final 20 minutes to him? Yikes.

I didn’t like Once Upon A Time...In Hollywood that much better, but at least that made me think and didn’t treat me like an idiot. Jim, Holland, and Patti made this worthwhile, but hardly. "

And the only one who didn’t win an Oscar was the straight white guy...

Also the treatment of Dylan’s character as if he deserved some kind of medal of honour or something when he’d spent his whole life taking advantage of kids who’d come to find fame in Hollywood and exploited them into the sex trade.

I mean wtf?!?!

Updated On: 5/4/20 at 06:45 PM

[WSS2]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 7:23pm

To use a Broadway phrase for “Hollywood”...Not since Carrie…

This is a horribly written and horribly acted show. It’s as if Ryan Murphy had a checklist of everything he wanted to include in the show, threw it all in a blender, and came up with Hollywood. There is no creativity or imagination on display.

For those who say this is a “fantasy”, every fantasy must be grounded in some reality. There was no reality to any of this. A space alien could have landed in the middle of ACE Studios and everyone would have sccepted it.

In fact, now that I think about it, a space alien would have been a welcome addition.

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 10:49pm

rattleNwoolypenguin said: "

I’ve felt this often too. His queer representation is often really detrimental. I think he has some internalized homophobia, cause he makes just heinous characters. Even the gay characters on glee ended up being horrible people

"

Glad to hear someone else sees it, too. It isn't like I demand "positive role models." I want a variety of characters, flawed characters, heck even a dislikable character sometime. But Murphy hits on the "sociopathic gay man" so often, I'm just sick of it. Don't understand why he's drawn to it, nor why audiences are.

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 10:59pm

Mr Roxy said: "Binge watched it over weekend. Would give it a,solid 8. Read the book and a lot of it was not touched on. Shame it ended after #7

The cast was uniformly top notch."

What book? 

[darreyl102]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 12:27am

joevitus said: "Mr Roxy said: "Binge watched it over weekend. Would give it a,solid 8. Read the book and a lot of it was not touched on. Shame it ended after #7

The cast was uniformly top notch."

What book?"

Maybe 'Full Service' by Scotty Bowers?

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 12:55am

It was a show about Hollywood in the 40's, told in the styles of movies made in the 40's (albeit more graphic), with a typical Hollywood happy ending. An "if only" fairy tale. (The last episode is even title "A Hollywood Ending" ). Anyone watching who doesn't realize this isn't the way things actually went down, isn't old enough to be watching... or is just plain dumb, I thought is was fabulous, over-the-top, campy fun... with a message! Jim Parsons had the best lines! I loved every minute of it! Binged it in one sitting! I just hope Scotty Bowers got a little cha-ching for inspiring a major part of the story. Anyone interested should watch the documentary, Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood, or read the book, Full Service, on which the documentary is based.

Note: Also posted under the same topic on the Off-Topic board.

Updated On: 5/5/20 at 12:55 AM

[Sho-Tunes-R-Us]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 2:18am

I think it rather odd that no one on this board noticed the resemblance between Jim Parsons interpretation of his HOLLYWOOD character and the character of Michael who he played in the Broadway revival of The Boys In The Band (Ryan Murphy's Netflix adaptation recently filmed and awaiting release). "Show Queen Short Term Memory Loss" happens to the best of us, I suppose.


 

Updated On: 5/5/20 at 02:18 AM

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 3:42am

darreyl102 said: "joevitus said: "Mr Roxy said: "Binge watched it over weekend. Would give it a,solid 8. Read the book and a lot of it was not touched on. Shame it ended after #7

The cast was uniformly top notch."

What book?"

Maybe 'Full Service' by Scotty Bowers?"

That's probably what was meant, but it isn't an adaptation of Scotty Bowers' book. 

 

[rosscoe(au)]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 6:25am

The Variety review was brutal

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 8:10am

Exactly.  HOLLYWOOD is NOT based in any way on Scotty Bowers or his book FULL SERVICE.  Only the gas station scenario was used as a plot device in HOLLYWOOD.  Scotty Bowers NEVER owned the gas station.  He was simply a young gas pump attendant and only ran his little business from there for a short time.  He segued into bartending at major Hollywood events and private parties which is where he gained his legendary status in Hollywood.  

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 11:55am

joevitus said: "rattleNwoolypenguin said: "

I’ve felt this often too. His queer representation is often really detrimental. I think he has some internalized homophobia, cause he makes just heinous characters. Even the gay characters on glee ended up being horrible people

"

Glad to hear someone else sees it, too. It isn't like I demand "positive role models." I want a variety of characters, flawed characters, heck even a dislikable charactersometime. But Murphy hits on the "sociopathic gay man" so often, I'm just sick of it. Don't understand why he's drawn to it, nor why audiences are."

I have no problem with him putting them in the spotlight as Lord knows there's plenty of them about. It's more the fact that he then makes every other gay character just as disordered in other ways, so there is no real differentiation between the 2.

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 2:45pm

For the most part, I liked it. But there was a major problem that bothered me throughout this fairy tale - aside from the fact it comes off a bit disingenuous to actual reality - and that's the seeming lack of actual conflict. To every event or revelation, there's always a monologue and the response is "Hey, that's cool. On with the show."

Then every cliffhanger is resolved within the teaser of the next episode! Which I suppose makes things move quickly and they can focus on characters and clever twists to what happened in real life, not focusing on conflict means there's never any doubt that anything but a happy ending is going to happen, especially in the frustrating wish-fulfillment finale.

That said, if you're not looking too closely, it's very easy otherwise to enjoy the ride, because it is a ton of fun. Fast, funny, sexy, slick, and beautifully produced, I expect Emmy nominations for Patti, Dylan, Jim, Joe, Holland and all the creative arts.

[Owen22]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 3:42pm

This thread is once again proving that talkback respondents on broadwayworld.com are the most horrible people this side of Republican commenters on a pro-Hillary piece on Huffington Post.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 4:16pm

It would've worked much better at 6 Eps as that last hour really derailed the whole thing. 

Lose the utterly ridiculous 'pay for the scaffolding' storyline and do the Oscars as a montage instead of playing it out for half an hour...

It's a success...The End.

Everything after that point was totally unneeded and undid everything that came before it.

Seriously how would a film about gay escorts hooking out of a gas station have changed negative opinions on homosexuality exactly?

Ridiculous x

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 4:35pm

Owen22 said: "This thread is once again proving that talkback respondents on broadwayworld.com are the most horrible people this side of Republican commenters on a pro-Hillary piece on Huffington Post."

You don't really get the whole point of a 'discussion' board do you?

[SmoothLover]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 5:55pm

I did not see Boys In The Band with Parsons on Broadway but the thought crossed my mind that he might have given the same performance. AS I recall his a Broadway reviews were not very good. I feel like I was watching an interpretation of Harold from BITB when I watched Parsons in Hollywood. I think there was a directorial choice in Hollywood that did not help matters and that was to ask the actors to interpret their performances as if they were in an old a Hollywood movie which resulted in 1 dimensional performances. And of course as we have said repeatedly the script was not fully realized.

 

 

 

 

[BenjaminNicholas2]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 6:09pm

At one point in time, Murphy was reliable for at least one singular great season of something.

Based on the reviews for Hollywood, this is no longer true.  This isn't even fun garbage.  It's cringe-worthy, badly written schmaltz with a starry cast who attempts to elevate it, but for the life of them cannot.

Murphy's self-loathing is on full display here.  It's a little sad. 

 

[SweetLips22]

Posted: 5/5/20 at 7:57pm

Plannietink08 said:


Ryan Murphy has said that he chose to portray Hollywood actors who never got a happy ending and decided to rewrite history. Hudson living happily his partner instead of being closeted and dying of AIDs. It’s supposed to be the very opposite of historically accurate."

WTF--is Murphy now playing God? We would all like a 'what if' time to re-do events in our lives but when you screw with Real Stars it's important to show the struggle they actually had to endure to achieve whatever.

I would like a make-over Mr Murphy----fvxk the close up !