Six vs. A Strange Loop: The Tightest Tony Race of 2022?- Page 4

[JSquared2]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:42am

ElephantLoveMedley said: "Bumping this thread because I recently read this in The Wrap:

"Regarding the big prize, “A Strange Loop” has other problems with Tony voters. Few plays go on the road, so the Tony Awards’ snub of “Slave Play” for “The Inheritance,” which won last year, didn’t make any difference to producers in Middle America. Musicals are another story. Among the nominated musicals in 2022, the one most likely to tour the heartland is a musical about abused British royalty. (No, “Diana” is not nominated.) Out of the 650 Tony voters, the biggest block are out-of-town presenters who need the imprimatur “Tony-winning best musical” to market their subscription series. They will pick the half-dozen Spice Girls of “Six,” dramatizing the wives of Henry VIII, over a show about “a fat, Black, queer body.”"

Just curious if anyone's thoughts have changed over the last month. I really do thinkSixstill has a strong chance at winning on Sunday. Tony voters are not the same as nominators."

 

It's between MJ and STRANGE LOOP, with the edge going to MJ.  Many voters will SAY they voted for STRANGE LOOP, but in reality will have voted for MJ (or SIX).  People actually enjoy MJ -- but feel that ASL is the more "artsy" choice.

 

 

[pagereynolds]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:42am

YvanEhtNioj said: "As someone who loved Six as well..I'm kinda tired of it."

I mean, that's not really their fault. Their previews were almost 2.5 years ago.

I will be extremely sad if MJ is rewarded with anything. 

[JSquared2]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:51am

pagereynolds said: "YvanEhtNioj said: "As someone who loved Six as well..I'm kinda tired of it."

I mean, that's not really their fault. Their previews were almost 2.5 years ago.

I will be extremely sad if MJ is rewarded with anything."

 

Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment.  MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lighting, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director).

Updated On: 6/7/22 at 11:51 AM

[EllieRose2]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:52am

ElephantLoveMedley,

It is true that Middle America/South would run screaming to the exits if A Strange Loop ever came to their towns. I say that because of the hordes of people leaving at intermission during Oklahoma! The show did not change a word of dialogue or lyrics yet because it's slightly sexier, people cannot handle it. So, obviously A Strange Loop is not going to show up anywhere but LA and possibly Chicago. 

But, there is truly nothing else like it, it's a show that would have never made it to Broadway even 10 years ago, it's a very important story to tell and has an American creator. I believe it will take Best Musical and Jaquel will have a very special night as well. 

Updated On: 6/7/22 at 11:52 AM

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:52am

JSquared2 said: "pagereynolds said: "YvanEhtNioj said: "As someone who loved Six as well..I'm kinda tired of it."

I mean, that's not really their fault. Their previews were almost 2.5 years ago.

I will be extremely sad if MJ is rewarded with anything."



Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lights, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

 

 

Nah.

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:58am

JSquared2 said: "

Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lights, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

MJ will get Choreography. Thats about it 

[ElephantLoveMedley]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:59am

JSquared2 said: "Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lights, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

I agree MJ may likely win Choreography, and I could also see a potential universe where it takes Actor and Musical. However, Lighting and Direction are pretty much in the bag for Company. I also think Company and/or Six have the edge on Sound. The Orchestrations category is a toughie but MJ doesn't really have an edge there at all.

[pagereynolds]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 12:00pm

In a season with such creative shows like ASL and Six, I really hope voters would be embarrassed to cast a vote for MJ. We'll see.

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 12:07pm

Honestly, I just hope the subject matter of ASL doesn't make voters vote AGAINST it instead of FOR Six (if that makes sense). I was talking to a friend (well-off white gay who lives in NYC) and he couldn't say anything good about ASL because he couldnt get over the n-word being used. i'm scared that alone will make some of the voters vote against the show. I hope not, but I can see it happening sadly. 

[jkcohen626]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 12:13pm

EllieRose2 said: "ElephantLoveMedley,

It is true that Middle America/South would run screaming to the exits if A Strange Loop ever came to their towns. I say that because of the hordes of people leaving at intermission during Oklahoma! The show did not change a word of dialogue or lyrics yet because it's slightly sexier, people cannot handle it. So, obviously A Strange Loop is not going to show up anywhere but LA and possibly Chicago.

But, there is truly nothing else like it, it's a show that would have never made it Broadway even 10 years ago, it's a very important story to tell and has an American creator. I believe it will take Best Musical and Jaquel will have a very special night as well."

A reminder, though, that the people who ran out at intermission still bought tickets. The producers still made money and the actors were still paid. 

As far as a tour, I think Freestyle Love Supreme is doing a tour right now that could be a model for this show. They're doing SF, Seattle, Boston, Portland, DC, San Antonio, Charlotte, Detroit, Philly, San Diego, and LA. There is easily a market for this show in these cities + several more progressive havens. Chicago, any of Ohio's big cities, other big Texas cities, a Wisconsin city, Atlanta, Baltimore, and San Jose are all missing from this list. For a show that's as cheap to produce as A Strange Loop probably is, they don't even need to touch the heartland. 

I agree with everything in your second paragraph. 

 

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 12:15pm

ElephantLoveMedley said: "JSquared2 said: "Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lights, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

I agreeMJmay likely win Choreography, and Icould also see a potential universe where ittakes Actor and Musical. However, Lighting and Direction are pretty much in the bag forCompany. I also thinkCompanyand/orSixhave the edge on Sound. The Orchestrations category is a toughie butMJdoesn't really have an edge there at all."

As much as I would like Company to win Orchestrations, it's probably going to A Strange Loop. The trend in most recent years seems to be that the Best Musical winner takes that prize as well. 

I also see SIX taking Sound Design. If Loop wins that category too... well, let's just say the voters absolutely LOVED the show in that case.

[EllieRose2]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 1:34pm

As far as a tour, I think Freestyle Love Supreme is doing a tour right now that could be a model for this show. They're doing SF, Seattle, Boston, Portland, DC, San Antonio, Charlotte, Detroit, Philly, San Diego, and LA. There is easily a market for this show in these cities + several more progressive havens. Chicago, any of Ohio's big cities, other big Texas cities, a Wisconsin city, Atlanta, Baltimore, and San Jose are all missing from this list. For a show that's as cheap to produce as A Strange Loop probably is, they don't even need to touch the heartland.

The shows are not comparable at all, and the "heartland" does include Ohio, Texas and Wisconsin so this show will never, ever play in any of those states for obvious reasons. 

 

[pagereynolds]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 1:36pm

How different on the road is this version of Oklahoma!? It was dark in New York but nothing sexy going on.

[Playbill_Trash]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:02pm

I think Six has the best shot at score, but Strange Loop will take book and best musical.

ASL will join the ranks of Once, Fun Home, and Band’s Visit - smaller think-piece shows that make the tony voters feel smarter and better about themselves for voting for it. So it will take top prize but still will not have a long, successful run. ASL will be gone by January at the absolute latest.

Meanwhile Six will join the ranks of hits that lose best musical but still have long healthy runs that actually keep the industry going.

[gibsons2]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:08pm

YvanEhtNioj said: "JSquared2 said: "

Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lights, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

MJ will get Choreography. Thats about it"

I hope Paradise Square wins the Choreo. Don't dismiss it just yet.

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:29pm

Playbill_Trash said: "I think Six has the best shot at score, but Strange Loop will take book and best musical.

ASL will join the ranks of Once, Fun Home, and Band’s Visit - smaller think-piece shows that make the tony voters feel smarter and better about themselves for voting for it. So it will take top prize but still will not have a long, successful run. ASL will be gone by January at the absolute latest.

Meanwhile Six will join the ranks of hits that lose best musical but still have long healthy runs that actually keep the industry going."

I think this is SPOT on. Hoping a longer run for ASL, as I want to see it desperately and may not be able to get to NYC till 2023, but I agree. SIX is similiar to Wicked I feel. 

[Bigserver1]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:35pm

JSquared2 said: "pagereynolds said: "YvanEhtNioj said: "As someone who loved Six as well..I'm kinda tired of it."

I mean, that's not really their fault. Their previews were almost 2.5 years ago.

I will be extremely sad if MJ is rewarded with anything."



Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lighting, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

If this ends up happening...yikes. I have to think the voters are smarter than that. I could see choreo win and that's it.

Regarding the title of the thread, I don't see it being very close, I think ASL wins going away. I've seen both, loved Six, but I knew I was experiencing something completely different at ASL.

[pagereynolds]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:38pm

Astute observation, although Avenue Q falls into that "smaller,  smarter" category and ran for years and years.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:41pm

I would be very surprised if ASL doesn't win. Given the past few years, currently pride month, etc. It seems like terrible optics given it got smashing reviews as well. 

[ElephantLoveMedley]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:45pm

RippedMan said: "I would be very surprised if ASL doesn't win. Given the past few years, currently pride month, etc. It seems like terrible optics given it got smashing reviews as well."

Not for nothing, but Six is extremely feminist, one of its creators is queer, and it boasts the youngest female director on Broadway. I know ASL may be comparatively more "woke" and subversive, but it's not like Six is just some generic commercial junk. It has equally compelling aspects when it comes to marginalized identities.

[ItsMeRaul]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:47pm

JSquared2 said: 


Then I guess you're in for an evening of disappointment. MJ will likely win Best Actor, Choreography, Lighting, Sound and Orchestrations (and has a good shot at Best Musical and Best Director)."

 

I firmly believe that those words will come back to bite you come Sunday. I give them choreo, if anything. We will see.

 

[OhHiii]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:52pm

ElephantLoveMedley said: "RippedMan said: "I would be very surprised if ASL doesn't win. Given the past few years, currently pride month, etc. It seems like terrible optics given it got smashing reviews as well."

Not for nothing, butSixis extremely feminist, one of its creators is queer, and it boasts the youngest female director on Broadway. I knowASLmay be comparatively more "woke" and subversive, but it's not likeSixis just some generic commercial junk. It has equally compelling aspects when it comes to marginalized identities."

The term "woke" has lost all of it's meaning. This is not what woke means.

Anyway... Six is up against a very widespread industry sentiment that it's a concert and that to call it a musical is a stretch. It'll be a hit for years and it'll run forever at New World Stages when the time comes. But Best Musical it is not.

 

[pagereynolds]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 2:53pm

OhHiii said: "ElephantLoveMedley said: "RippedMan said: "I would be very surprised if ASL doesn't win. Given the past few years, currently pride month, etc. It seems like terrible optics given it got smashing reviews as well."

Not for nothing, butSixis extremely feminist, one of its creators is queer, and it boasts the youngest female director on Broadway. I knowASLmay be comparatively more "woke" and subversive, but it's not likeSixis just some generic commercial junk. It has equally compelling aspects when it comes to marginalized identities."

The term "woke" has lost all of it's meaning. This is not what woke means.

Anyway... Six is up against a very widespread industry sentiment that it's a concert and that to call it a musical is a stretch. It'll be a hit for years and it'll run forever at New World Stages when the time comes. But Best Musical it is not.

"

I agree with you about the word woke, but Six was very easily and without competition going to win Best Musical in 2020. 

[EllieRose2]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 3:01pm

I agree that it's a really fancy, fun concert. It won't win Best Musical because it's not the best musical of the year.

Not for nothing, but Six is extremely feminist, one of its creators is queer, and it boasts the youngest female director on Broadway. I know ASL may be comparatively more "woke" and subversive, but it's not like Six is just some generic commercial junk. It has equally compelling aspects when it comes to marginalized identities.

All of whom are white which is boring. The Tonys got crap for years for constantly awarding white people year after year. It's Pride month and A Strange Loop features people that you don't see on stage in principal roles often. It's a no brainer. 

Woke is no longer a word that is used because people who use it don't know what the word means, just an FYI. 

[pagereynolds]

Posted: 6/7/22 at 3:04pm

EllieRose2 said: "I agree that it's a really fancy, fun concert. It won't win Best Musical because it's not the best musical of the year.

Not for nothing, butSixis extremely feminist, one of its creators is queer, and it boasts the youngest female director on Broadway. I knowASLmay be comparatively more "woke" and subversive, but it's not likeSixis just some generic commercial junk. It has equally compelling aspects when it comes to marginalized identities.

All of whom are white which is boring. The Tonys got crap for years for constantly awarding white people year after year. It's Pride month and A Strange Loop features people that you don't see on stage in principal roles often. It's a no brainer.

Woke is no longer a word that is used because people who use it don't know what the word means, just an FYI."

Not for nothing but most of the actors in Six are people of color. And it's super unusual to have an all female creative team anywhere on Broadway.