I think it might be easier to just face facts that, while stagedooring is not as common a practice as it was pre-pandemic (because of rules or otherwise), it’s undeniable at this point that some actors and patrons are engaging in the practice and are doing so AT THEIR OWN RISK. Proselytizing about your thoughts about how horrible it is doesn’t change that fact.
We all knew that the practice was going to come back eventually and selectively. I’ll be candid when I say that in the beginning did not attempt to stagedoor at all unless somehow the opportunity presented itself (I.e - it was occurring as I walked out of the Theatre. Even then, I always wore a mask, and kept a respectable distance.
Some shows and casts are lax about their policies and that’s on them. One thing I’ve noticed is that once the actors leave the “gated” stage door area, security sometimes won’t enforce if they see the actor is willing to engage safely.
I’ve done it a few times (not with the level of frequency I used to) since the Spring and myself and any actors I engaged with participated of their own volition fully understanding their own personal risk. (FYI, I still wear my mask religiously)
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veronicamae said: "There are so many high horses here that we could have our own derby atop the Empire State Building."
I truly hope this isn’t referring to me, because I have been nothing but honest in regards to “you must be stagedooring, obviously”. It may be easy for SOME of you to just brush off what people say-not everyone can do that. Okay? Good. :)
hearthemsing22 said: "veronicamae said: "There are so many high horses here that we could have our own derby atop the Empire State Building."
I truly hope this isn’t referring to me, because I have been nothing but honest in regards to “you must be stagedooring, obviously”. It may be easy for SOME of you to just brush off what people say-not everyone can do that. Okay? Good. :)"
Dude, you seriously need to work on yourself or get some basic therapy. Taking everything so personally is going to destroy you. You need to realize not everything is directed at you and general statements are directed to many. Even IF you feel it’s you, ignore it. Not everyone is your friend nor cares to be. Accept that and move on with YOUR life, and stop worrying you’re offending strangers you’ll never meet in real life. No one here knows you, will never visit you, nor hang out with you, and will just remain accounts on a message board. You don’t need to defend yourself. No one cares.
hearthemsing22 said: "veronicamae said: "There are so many high horses here that we could have our own derby atop the Empire State Building."
I truly hope this isn’t referring to me, because I have been nothing but honest in regards to “you must be stagedooring, obviously”. It may be easy for SOME of you to just brush off what people say-not everyone can do that. Okay? Good. :)"
poisonivy2 said: "hearthemsing22 said: "veronicamae said: "There are so many high horses here that we could have our own derby atop the Empire State Building."
I truly hope this isn’t referring to me, because I have been nothing but honest in regards to “you must be stagedooring, obviously”. It may be easy for SOME of you to just brush off what people say-not everyone can do that. Okay? Good. :)"
How old are you? Because you act like you're 5.
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Lmao How old are you? Because most of you act like you’re much older people who believe they can say anything they want without consequences or giving a care about how those words affect people. I’m so glad I actually care about that, because it seems like very few people on these boards do. You’re the ones on your high horses. G’luck with that.
We’re just giving you some pearls of wisdom. You’re worrying about what strangers are thinking. News flash, these people will not pick you up at the airport. They are not paying your bills or your rent. These people are not helping you during the hard times or enjoying the good times with you. Stop worrying about what these people on this board think. They are no one to you or to your mental health. Learn to ignore what pointless people have to say AND stop thinking everyone is dissecting your statements and making it all about you. They are not.
BrodyFosse123 said: "We’re just giving you some pearls of wisdom. You’re worrying about what strangers are thinking. News flash, these people will not pick you up at the airport. They are not paying your bills or your rent. These people are not helping you during the hard times or enjoying the good times with you. Stop worrying about what these people on this board think. They are no one to you or to your mental health. Learn to ignore what pointless people have to say AND stop thinking everyone is dissecting your statements and making it all about you. They are not. "
They do a heck of a job putting me down. Don’t tell me “they’re online why do you care”. Because people can be offended by what’s online. Because those people who hide behind the screens are cowards and don’t care how they come across and not everyone can do that. How many times do I have to say that? Block me. Seriously. If you’re going to be snarky or rude or hurtful, don’t do it. Just move. On. It’s that simple :)
If actors do not want to sign or take pictures, they won't. They'll leave out of a different door or they will just leave and get in their car or walk away. If they ARE stopping to sign and take pictures, they clearly want to and they're clearly comfortable doing so.
Stop letting others down just because you don't see eye to eye on something. Stage dooring is not going away whether you want it to or not. Get off your high horses and just be happy for once, truly. This board will be a much better place because of it.
n2nbaby said: "The pearl clutching in this thread is UNREAL.
If actors do not want to sign or take pictures, they won't. They'll leave out of a different door or they will just leave and get in their car or walk away. If they ARE stopping to sign and take pictures, they clearly want to and they're clearly comfortable doing so.
Stop letting others down just because you don't see eye to eye on something. Stage dooring is not going away whether you want it to or not. Get off your high horses and just be happy for once, truly. This board will be a much better place because of it."
I can have my stance without it being called “pearl clutching” or being on my high horse. The amount of sheer disregard for being respectful is absurd. I don’t care how long you’ve been on these boards, I don’t care how old you are. I’m moving forward with respect, and if you can’t do the same, block me :) I won’t miss anyone
@hearthemsing22 I genuinely am not saying this to be rude, but I don't think these boards are the place for you. This is not the kind of "safe space" where everyone is kind, loving, and ready to shower you with love. Sure, it's ideally not a dangerous place, but it's not a free hug-fest. It's a discussion board. And when there is discussion, there is bound to be disagreement. The mature thing to do when someone floats out a counterargument is to be civil about it and try to come to an understanding. You, however, take everything personally, turn everything into a big fight, and literally think every person on here has the sole purpose of tearing you down. We don't. Like you, we have our opinions, and we're voicing them. If you can't take someone having a different take than you without going to the place of "if you don't like me, then block me" or "this isn't about me, is it," then I think you need to rethink some things. Because that's like being back in high school.
This is an anonymous board (as I said to you last night), in which people call each other out all the time. I've been called out by numerous people on here before, some of whom I've interacted with in DM and become friendly with (just on BWW, but still). Just because someone counters something you say, doesn't mean it's personal. But when you start to go back and forth and act like a victim, that frustrates the other person. Generally, the more frustrated someone is, the less kind and patient they are.
Like I said, I say this with no malicious intent. I just think you need to have more self-respect than this. If I were in your shoes, I would either do a major perspective adjustment, or think twice about posting on these boards.
hearthemsing22 said: "veronicamae said: "There are so many high horses here that we could have our own derby atop the Empire State Building."
I truly hope this isn’t referring to me, because I have been nothing but honest in regards to “you must be stagedooring, obviously”. It may be easy for SOME of you to just brush off what people say-not everyone can do that. Okay? Good. :)"
LOL what makes you think this is about you? I literally directed that at not one singular person and did not indicate which side of this debate I'm on. Moreover, I said horses, which is a plural noun meaning "more than one" proverbial horse.
I will do everything y’all are suggesting if you also think about how you treat people on these boards. 😊 It’s not “grow thick skin or leave”. There has to be a level of respect here. What is so difficult? At least I occasionally apologize-y’all act as if you’ve never done anything wrong. G’luck with that.
You have been determined to berate people for stagedooring for months now, in several different threads. People have said (nicely) that it's the individual decision of the actors whether they stage door or not. Just as it was pre-pandemic -- some stars never stage-doored (Nathan Lane, Patti Lupone), and some were surprisingly friendly (Glenda Jackson). People have also said to you (nicely) that the chances of someone getting covid from a millisecond sign-and-selfie outside is low, and that at this point in the pandemic, many people have resumed normal activities. It doesn't mean we don't care about covid, just that we can't do this "can I hug my grandma?" thing forever.
You've consistently made stagedooring seem like a huge moral failure. When it's not. NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO STAGE DOOR. As long as you aren't creepy and dont run after actors who just want to go home or follow them when they don't want to be bothered, what's the harm? Is anyone going to die because Hugh Jackman signed a playbill?
poisonivy2 said: "You have been determined to berate people for stagedooring for months now, in several different threads. People have said (nicely) that it's the individual decision of the actors whether they stage door or not. Just as it was pre-pandemic -- some stars never stage-doored (Nathan Lane, Patti Lupone), and some were surprisingly friendly (Glenda Jackson). People have also said to you (nicely) that the chances of someone getting covid from a millisecond sign-and-selfie outside is low, and that at this point in the pandemic, many people have resumed normal activities. It doesn't mean we don't care about covid, just that we can't do this "can I hug my grandma?" thing forever.
You've consistently made stagedooring seem like a huge moral failure. When it's not. NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO STAGE DOOR. As long as you aren't creepy and dont run after actors who just want to go home or follow them when they don't want to be bothered, what's the harm? Is anyone going to die because Hugh Jackman signed a playbill?"
I’m going to say two things and then I’m done.
1. Oh please. I never said people were going to die, so stop being dramatic.
2. there are literally signs outside of theaters saying they won’t stop. Actors most likely feel pressured because people wait. Then more people come to see what’s happening. What happens if those people aren’t vaccinated? Again, did not say anyone is going to die. But you don’t know peoples status. There could be an outbreak. Again, I go back to the original question I asked; is your selfie/autograph so much more important than keeping people in shows? Im not saying (nor have I ever implied) that people need to live in any sort of bubble. But be smart. You’ll be okay if you don’t get a selfie or autograph. I promise.
“Actors most likely feel pressured because people wait”
I’m sorry that’s just crap. If they don’t want to, they won’t. If they don’t want to, they’ll leave through another exit. Stop making actors out to be people incapable of making decisions. Most actors in shows still aren’t doing it so they’re not feeling “pressure”. Hugh isn’t finishing a show and breaking into a cold sweat because there’s people outside and he “just doesn’t know what to do”. Get over it, already. Jeebus.
BroadwayRox3588 said: "@hearthemsing22 I genuinely am not saying this to be rude, but I don't think these boards are the place for you. This is not the kind of "safe space" where everyone is kind, loving, and ready to shower you with love. Sure, it's ideally not a dangerous place, but it's not a free hug-fest. It's a discussion board. And when there is discussion, there is bound to be disagreement. The mature thing to do when someone floats out a counterargument is to be civil about it and try to come to an understanding. You, however, take everything personally, turn everything into a big fight, and literally think every person on here has the sole purpose of tearing you down. We don't. Like you, we have our opinions, and we're voicing them. If you can't take someone having a different take than you without going to the place of "if you don't like me, then block me" or "this isn't about me, is it," then I think you need to rethink some things. Because that's like being back in high school.
This is an anonymous board (as I said to you last night), in which people call each other out all the time. I've been called out by numerous people on here before, some of whom I've interacted with in DM and become friendly with (just on BWW, but still).Just because someone counters something you say, doesn't mean it's personal. But when you start to go back and forth and act like a victim, that frustrates the other person. Generally, the more frustrated someone is, the less kind and patient they are.
Like I said, I say this with no malicious intent. I just think you need to have more self-respect than this. If I were in your shoes, I would either do a major perspective adjustment, or think twice about posting on these boards."
True- this is an anymous, theater discussion board and everyone is a nobody in my book as I'm not friends with anyone here or care to be but just read some posts some days and comment. Too many big shots-know it alls on this board that have nothing to do with their lives as they live on this board day and night and use it as an escape obviously and attack people contstantly over everything they don't agree with! Hell yea - I've been called a racist over a comment I made when the show Chicken & Biscuits was on Broadway...something I'm far from LOL so everyone needs to just stop being so sensitive over bs posted here and just chill, get over yourself, respect and enjoy what this crappy theater site has to offer.
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Robbie2 said: "BroadwayRox3588 said: "@hearthemsing22 I genuinely am not saying this to be rude, but I don't think these boards are the place for you. This is not the kind of "safe space" where everyone is kind, loving, and ready to shower you with love. Sure, it's ideally not a dangerous place, but it's not a free hug-fest. It's a discussion board. And when there is discussion, there is bound to be disagreement. The mature thing to do when someone floats out a counterargument is to be civil about it and try to come to an understanding. You, however, take everything personally, turn everything into a big fight, and literally think every person on here has the sole purpose of tearing you down. We don't. Like you, we have our opinions, and we're voicing them. If you can't take someone having a different take than you without going to the place of "if you don't like me, then block me" or "this isn't about me, is it," then I think you need to rethink some things. Because that's like being back in high school.
This is an anonymous board (as I said to you last night), in which people call each other out all the time. I've been called out by numerous people on here before, some of whom I've interacted with in DM and become friendly with (just on BWW, but still).Just because someone counters something you say, doesn't mean it's personal. But when you start to go back and forth and act like a victim, that frustrates the other person. Generally, the more frustrated someone is, the less kind and patient they are.
Like I said, I say this with no malicious intent. I just think you need to have more self-respect than this. If I were in your shoes, I would either do a major perspective adjustment, or think twice about posting on these boards."
True- this is an anymous, theater discussion board and everyone is a nobody in my book as I'm not friends with anyone here or care to be but just read some posts some days and comment. Too many big shots-know it alls on this board that have nothing to do with their lives as they live on this board day and night and use it as an escape obviously and attack people contstantly over everything they don't agree with! Hell yea - I've been called a racist over a comment I made when the show Chicken & Biscuits was on Broadway...something I'm far from LOL so everyone needs to just stop being so sensitive over bs posted here and just chill, get over yourself, respect and enjoy what this crappy theater site has to offer."
Okay I will say one more thing: ignoring things is MUCH more easier said than done. Just because some people can doesn’t mean others are able to. Doesn’t mean they need to get off these boards :) they may have found others who are actually kind instead of hiding cr*ppy behavior behind “you should get off these boards if you can’t handle what people say to you! It’s not attacking! You’re too sensitive for it” . Let’s all move on :)
"Okay I will say one more thing: ignoring things is MUCH more easier said than done. Just because some people can doesn’t mean others are able to. Doesn’t mean they need to get off these boards :)"
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Okay I will say one more thing: ignoring things is MUCH more easier said than done. Just because some people can doesn’t mean others are able to. Doesn’t mean they need to get off these boards :) they may have found others who are actually kind instead of hiding cr*ppy behavior behind “you should get off these boards if you can’t handle what people say to you! It’s not attacking! You’re too sensitive for it” . Let’s all move on :)"
I thought you said you were leaving.
You say you want to be treated with respect. But you berating posters for asking about stage dooring is not respectful either.
EllieRose2 said: "Seriously. If you’re going to be snarky or rude or hurtful, don’t do it. Just move. On. It’s that simple
People will do what they want. You cannot control other people, just your reaction to them. If you can't handle that, this is the wrong place for you."
At least I never said the awful, awful thing you just messaged me. To anyone on here. I never threatened anyone.
"Okay I will say one more thing...Let’s all move on"
[says another thing, this time referencing a private message, four messages later]
The only person keeping this going is you, because you like to bicker with people. I don't know why you do, but you do. This thread could have effectively ended two pages ago, but your continued determination to butt heads with every Tom, Dick, or Jordan on these boards is the singlehanded thing that has kept it going.
But whatever. If you want to torture yourself, be my guest. Doesn't have anything to do with me. I'm peace-ing out of this thread. And, unlike you, I actually mean it.