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#26

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

"Gower had a rule. "Who do you root for?" In the case of The Wild Party, none of the characters were worth rooting for."

LOL it's possible for a show with no characters whom one would root for to survive. It's called Rent
Yes that's me. No, it's not a Rent homage.
#28

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

...an evening of not-nice people doing not-nice things to one another. Who needs that?

Would that not be Virginia Woolf as well?
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#29

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

I felt both versions were an evening of not-nice people doing not-nice things to one another. Who needs that?

That's what I love about it. And as others have said, it happens plenty.

I loved the Broadway production, and I think it is possible to watch flawed characters in a spiral of destruction. I believe it's called tragedy.

Agreed.
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#30

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Y'know, all this backstage dirt aside, I think it's a damn good score and a highly underrated show.
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#31

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

I think it's very hard to have a character arc in an 8 hour stretch of time

Wow, someone should have told Jonathan Larson: his characters go through a trillion things in only three hours during the first act of Rent!
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
#33

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Anyone who is to blame for Toni Collette's lack of will to go back to Broadway does not deserve any kind of good reputation or a chance of any kind.
He is indeed a violent egomaniac. What he did to his cast members was pretty humiliating and selfish, anyone with more class and talent doesn't need to resort to that kind of attitude in order to make a character or the material work.
I can't believe Collette doesn't wanna do another Broadway show because of this a*sshole.
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#34

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me: "my opinion isn't any more right than yours"

mallardo: "but for you to say ... is ridiculous."

Priceless.
If the audience could do better, they'd be up here on stage and I'd be out there watching them. - Ethel Merman
#35

Updated On: 5/8/09 at 01:37 AM

#36

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BrianS, context is everything. I wasn't challenging your right to an opinion, just your statement(s) re the impossibility of creating character arcs in a play with a compressed time period. Several other posters here have challenged this as well. I apologize for the word "ridiculous" - I should not have been so blunt.
Faced with these Loreleis, what man can moralize!
#37

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

If cliche #1 on this board is telling someone their opinion is wrong, cliche #2 is changing their wording when you quote them just enough and then shooting them down for that...

I never said it was "impossible." I said it had to overcome the feeling that there wasn't much of a journey for the characters. I liked both versions for different reasons, but in both cases, the characters felt very "one-note" to me. "Here is this character and this is their defining trait for the show" over and over. I just didn't feel there was much of a journey anywhere in the story.

Compare that to Sweeney Todd (another show with people doing not very nice things to each other) where over a period of time Sweeney goes from committed revenge on Turpin to nostalgia at returning to his profession to ecstasy at having Turpin under his razor to rage at the world when he loses Turpin to... well you get the idea. And that's just one character.



If the audience could do better, they'd be up here on stage and I'd be out there watching them. - Ethel Merman

Updated On: 1/26/08 at 08:36 AM

#41

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"LOL it's possible for a show with no characters whom one would root for to survive. It's called Rent"

"That was a joke I assume."

It was a lame joke if any. At any rate, Mandy is insanely talented, but good lord... I never realized how "unbalanced" he was. Poor Toni.
#42

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As I recently wrote, I hope that we have advanced far enough in the realm of musicals that they can use the power of music and dance to explore other experiences and ideas than just comedy. I personally never rooted for any of the characters in DEATH OF A SALESMAN, CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF, or Troy in FENCES, but that doesn't mean they aren't great works.

I think Ethan Mordden address a bit of the Patinkinisms with the show in THE HAPPIEST CORPSE I'VE EVER SEEN.
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#43

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"Some actors use the excuse of "method acting" to be mean/rude/abusive in real life and at work, which is entirely unprofessional."

thank god I wasn't the only one who felt that way. To me, characters belong on the stage. It's your job to play that character with every ounce of gall onstage, not screw up the work place claiming it to be method in the process.
I don't WANT to live in what they call "a certain way." In the first place I'd be no good at it and besides that I don't want to be identified with any one class of people. I want to live every whichway, among all kinds---and know them---and understand them---and love them---THAT's what I want! - Philip Barry (Holiday)
#44

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"Please. LuPone might be a bitch and/or hard to work with. But she's never physically abused fellow cast members. She doesn't belong in the crazy home like Mandy."

Well, rumor has it she hit one of Hal Prince's children when they said something not very nice about her at a rehearsal for Evita, but I don't think there's any ill will between Patti and Hal.
#45

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

Well, rumor has it she hit one of Hal Prince's children when they said something not very nice about her at a rehearsal for Evita, but I don't think there's any ill will between Patti and Hal.

wait, what?
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#46

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

Some actors use the excuse of "method acting" to be mean/rude/abusive in real life and at work, which is entirely unprofessional.

Tell me about it. Even though I was a musical director, the acting (in ANYTHING) kinda went to my head and I exploded almost every chance I had last year when I worked at my camp. I don't want to let that happen again this year.
"How could she just suddenly, completely disappear into thin water?" - The Little Mermaid
#48

Updated On: 5/8/09 at 06:17 PM

#49

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

I'm finding the ridiculous antics of all the great performers mentioned almost... kind of funny in a way...

I find it more ridiculous to bump this thread for no reason!
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
#50

re: The Wild Party: The E! True Broadway Story --- What happened?

"Well, rumor has it she hit one of Hal Prince's children when they said something not very nice about her at a rehearsal for Evita, but I don't think there's any ill will between Patti and Hal."

Well, one should know ones place when speaking to a goddess. Why if I were her I would've smitten him.
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