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#75re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/14/04 at 9:05pm
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#76re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/14/04 at 9:07pmwelcome sum. take a load off.
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#77re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/14/04 at 9:38pm
"which in and of itself means nothing. perhaps the casting director felt like playing a really mean joke on joe mantello. perhaps joe mantello felt like playing a particularly mean joke on the broadway community. the fact that someone gets cast is no indication of their talent per se. they could have all blown david stone."
I really don't know how to respond to this...
#78re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/14/04 at 10:11pm
"[i] really don't know how to respond to this.."
now there's a refreshing bit of honesty.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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#79re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/14/04 at 11:48pmI head off to rehearsal and you let this thread die?! Come on! Let us speak ill of what makes us ill! Let us twist this great evil we face into something that is entertaining for us!!
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#80re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/14/04 at 11:55pmI have a question... why are all the wicked fans all up in this thread if the title clearly explains to "speak ill of the wicked". That is just like someone saying "I would like a plate of cheese", but then when you get your plate of cheese, it also has expired ham in it.
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#81re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 12:23am
i dont need to speak ill of wicked anymore, ive said what i have to say. i dont loathe it, i just think that their are much better options are broadway. BUT while i hate when people get personal around here, i have to say it:
THE WICKED FANS ARE OUT OF CONTROL! (and i think that the caps ARE indeed neccessary in this case)
which is why i will suggest once again that all the wicked hate go into one thread (thanks, papa) and all the wicked praise go into one thread, which will no doubt stay very close to the top of the main board at least for another couple of monthes.
i think that would make bww.com a much better place.
#83re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 12:34am*sighs of relief and settles in comfortably*
And hang on, when did you win the discus?
#84re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 12:40am
Hey papalovesmambo, we have something in common! We both hate Wicked!
Why won't those brainless Wicked fans let us intelligent Wicked haters have one damn thread? Can't they keep out just this once? They always spoil EVERYTHING, polluting every Avenue Q thread and the entire message board.
(For the record, my hatred for Wicked is entirely independent of my love for Avenue Q. I've hated Wicked for months now. I only just got to see Avenue Q, and adored it. So, to all those Wicked fans, you don't have to drag in my favourite puppet show to defend your green-puke spectacle.)
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#85re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 11:01am
I think Millie is just the best show ever, don't you?
Doesn't anyone else think Angela Christian should be Galinda and Sutton should be Elphaba? Wouldn't that be awesome? Then Idina and Kristin could go close Millie, which shouldn't really close anyway but should rather run forever so these terrically talented ladies can just keep swapping back and forth in the shows like the guys from True West.
*Post made simply to move thread back to top, where it belongs*
Updated On: 6/15/04 at 11:01 AM
#86re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 1:01pmjust to clarify, without the posterior of laura bell bundy riding the bubble everynight, tsatg will be a shell of itself. since it was particularly hollow to begin with this is not saying much. all hail universal for making disney look like the bleeding heart corporation by comparison.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#87re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 1:35pm
Well, I don't know if I can say anything mean about "Wicked" that hasn't already been said! *thinks* Oh, wait, maybe I can! It bears only the slightest, most superficial resemblance to the book, and that is the ONE thing I do not tolerate with adaptations.
The short list of discrepancies: Fiyero and Glinda never date, Fiyero is not the Scarecrow, Boq is not the Tin Man, Elphaba doesn't whine about her lack of blonde curly hair and man-winnin' skills in a song that never freakin' ends (none of the songs never freakin' end), the Wizard is not a benevolent father figure, Elphaba doesn't even attempt to fly until practically the end of the book, the Emerald City is not a magical, enchanting place, Nessarose doesn't have arms (but I'm willing to overlook that; after all, how many actresses are missing both their arms?), Elphaba doesn't dance with the Wizard around his lab, there's no Wiz-O-Mania...whew. I'm sure I left something out, so feel free to add to the list!
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#88re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 1:54pm
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE WICKED SO MUCH EVERYONE HERE WHO DOESN'T SUCKS AT LIFE. IT'S THE BEST MUSICAL EVER. THERE ARE NO BETTER MUSICALS...ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
haha just kidding. I just wanted to see what it was like to be a crazed Wicked fan. I'm done.
now back to business...I saw Wicked. It really bothers me that Idina Menzel isn't consistant, for example, the Tony performance. On the CD everyone sounds great but live...thats another story. The score dosn't stick with you. It's easily forgetable. The sets were awesome though.
oh...and for all you wicked fans reading this...how does not liking Wicked automatically make someone a crazed Avenue Q fan?
You aren't feeling overwhelmed are you?
#89re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 9:50pmNo, but it does work the other way around. The people who diss Avenue Q are almost-always crazed Wicked fans.
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#90re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 10:14pm
"Hey papalovesmambo, we have something in common! We both hate Wicked!
Why won't those brainless Wicked fans let us intelligent Wicked haters have one damn thread? Can't they keep out just this once? They always spoil EVERYTHING, polluting every Avenue Q thread and the entire message board.
(For the record, my hatred for Wicked is entirely independent of my love for Avenue Q. I've hated Wicked for months now. I only just got to see Avenue Q, and adored it. So, to all those Wicked fans, you don't have to drag in my favourite puppet show to defend your green-puke spectacle.)"
That's funny. Especially coming from someone who didn't even see "Wicked". I saw both and... the wrong musical won the Tony. At least, in my opnion. I could care less what other people say.
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The score's not memorable? Is that a joke? It's one of the easiest scores to sing along to.
Updated On: 6/15/04 at 10:14 PM
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#91re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 11:36pm
Sigh. This show is like cheese – fake cheese, even. Velveeta. Spray can cheese. It appeals to the masses because the masses like what they know – the characters and backstory are already familiar old friends, so audience members can settle into their seats and feel right at home, without having to trouble themselves with any pesky thinking.
But that’s the foundation of modern populist entertainment, feeding audiences who want only to be fed: it’s the theatrical equivalent of chick lit. Wicked is popular because it’s palatable and it’s easy, not because it’s a work of quality. The music is serviceable at best, and the lyrics are abysmal (“I hope you're happy / I hope you're happy now” is eclipsed in its banality only by “I hope you're happy / I hope you're happy too” – but my personal favorite is “Something has changed within me / Something is not the same”). Nothing in the performances can save the whole from its inherent blandness, and the OBCR is tangible proof of this – without the busy-ness of the stage business to distract you, you realize how hollow it is.
Don’t get me wrong – Velveeta has its place, and I applaud the fact that Wicked is drawing scores of young viewers to Broadway. One can only hope that from here, those same audiences might take the time to branch out to shows that would challenge them, as well, in order to put this experience into some kind of perspective – that they might become lifelong theater fans, not just Wicked fans.
#92re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 11:41pmWicked WOULD have been good if Schwartz's hadn't been so lazy on his score. The group numbers are terrible. And they needed to bring someone in to clean up the book.
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#93re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/15/04 at 11:55pmWhat are you talking about? I did see Wicked. Wish I didn't, though. Now I feel like burning my ears off with acid.
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Updated On: 6/15/04 at 11:55 PM
#94re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/16/04 at 1:25am
I found more discrepancies! Boq and Nessarose never date, the Ozdust Ballroom doesn't exist in the book, and Glinda doesn't give Elphaba her trademark hat.
In terms of banal lyrics, my personal favorites are "Look at her, she's wicked! Get her!", "Wonderful/They'll call you wonderful/It does sound wonderful/Trust me, it's fun/When you are wonderful/It would be wonderful?/Wonderful, wonderful" and "For Good" in its entirety. Barf.
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#95re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/16/04 at 1:31amI agree that Wicked has the potential to be fantastic but in its current form I find myself wanting it to hurry up at parts, getting tired of hearing that opening music used in every possible way, and dreading the "I have something to confess, a reason why" line because of the way it invariably sounds like he's saying Confessa.
And hang on, when did you win the discus?
#96re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/16/04 at 1:42am
I don't hate Wicked.
I actually rather like Wicked.
But I CANNOT STAND the WICKED FANS!!!
The wickedites and wickedettes of this board are very, very boring.
If you don't have anything new to say, don't say anything at all.
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#97re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/16/04 at 1:43am
I have to say that the faults I found with the show the first time I saw it were so little that it did not bother my overall enjoyment of the evening.
The more I read from the Wickedpeople who post here, the more the show irks me and the less tolerance I have for it or anyone who decides WICKED ROCKS
And hang on, when did you win the discus?
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#98re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/16/04 at 1:47am
Rose_MacShane,
The show is very different from the book, we all know that- its loosely based on the book- it isnt the book itself, it never could be. Im more interested in whether or not there are continuity issues with The Wizard of Oz... Does something happen in Wicked that doesnt make any sense because of something that happens in The Wizard of Oz?
Christina
#99re: speak ill of the wicked
Posted: 6/16/04 at 2:45amYeah--after Nessarose gets flattened, Elphaba hears about it from Glinda. She wasn't even there. Of course, she's furious when Glinda tells her that she gave Dorothy the shoes and goes on a trek across Oz to catch up to her. When she finally does, she takes Dorothy captive in her tower (no flying monkeys are involved) and Elphaba ends up melting not because Dorothy was trying to put out the Scarecrow's fire (the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Lion aren't even there), but because her skirt caught fire, so Dorothy grabs the nearest bucket of water in an attempt to save her and...well, you know the rest. I don't know how it happens in the musical, but that's the way it goes down in the book.
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