Cher winning an Oscar- Page 2

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/21/13 at 10:40pm

Nice story, best12!

Fact of the day : Both Glenn Close and Cher (and Alfre Woodard!) lost out to Linda Hunt for Supporting Actress back in '84.

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[Jane2]

Posted: 10/21/13 at 10:44pm

Linda Hunt - I would tell my story of her, but it's nicer to just remember Best 12 Bars story. I'll save the Linda Hunt story for another time. However, I will say this - Miss Cvnt, I mean Hunt, was deserving of her award.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 10/21/13 at 11:20pm

I've been a Cher fan most of my life, ever since I watched her show sitting on my mom's lap in the 70s. Her performance in MOONSTRUCK was absolutely flawless. I forgot I was watching Cher. She embodied her character: heart and soul and her Oscar was richly deserved.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 3:06am

I remember her win and my mom getting teary. I didn't put two and two together that she was the chick that sang the album I was so in love with at the time.

Moonstruck, Suspect, The Witches of Eastwick, Mask and Tea With Mussolini are staring down from my DVD shelf. I wonder if I could convince my 8 month old to enjoy a Cherathon with me? I'll skip If These Walls Could Talk. Can't handle dying Cher.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 5:26am

Oh, the Oscar ceremony was so lovely then. I love the interaction an how they let them finish a speech.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 8:45am

"I really do think she's one of the most effortless, realistic actresses alive."

I have to agree. She has a chemistry with the camera that is rare.

And let's not forget "Come back to the five and dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean". That was the first time I ever understood that she was so much more than "Cher"--a truly gifted actress. I couldn't take my eyes off her.

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[doodlenyc]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 9:22am

I liked Cher in Moonstruck, but still think Meryl's performance in Ironweed was the performance of the year. It was one of many Meryl performances that she was nominated, but couldnt win because she was held to a different standard, imo.

I did love Cher's speech and her thanking Mary Louise Streep and Streep's supportive loss.

I also remember Dukakis' speech which she ended, "c'mon Michael, let's go!" It didnt happen.

[broadway86]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 10:18am

"I'm not going to be IGNORED, Dan...."

[dreaming]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 10:27am

I think Glenn Close is the best actress who has yet to win an Oscar. She really has quite a range of roles. (I think part of it is she's always been in Meryl's shadow to an extent.) She has a very real ability to become the role she is playing. (My favorite performance of hers is "Dangerous Liasons" actually. She should have won for that I think. She just plays the Marquise de Merteuil so well-she's vicious, and yet, human, as you realize that the character does love the Viscount. (And she loses him twice, really).)

Just saying.

And I must be the only one who thinks Moonstruck is overrated and cannot understand how Cher won (maybe to boost TV ratings, who knows).

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 10:41am

HOW. DARE. YOU.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 11:05am

"Pure magic."

And that's why I write movies.

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 11:32am

dreaming, I agree with everything you said. But not being a Cher adorer on this site - it ain't happenin'

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 2:17pm

I recall many believing Cher would win. Moonstruck was a very popular movie, Cher had been very good in Silkwood and was overlooked for a great unnominated performance in Mask.

I don't think Holly Hunter's win would have been a shock. There was talk of Sally Kirkland being a very dark horse. Ironweed was not a particularly successful film and Meryl had already won two oscars (Kramer v. Kramer, Sophie's Choice) in very recent memory.

In retrospect, it seems that Glenn Close might have been a favorite, but I don't recall that being the case at all.

Did Cher deserve an oscar for Moonstruck? I thought she was fine in it but I don't think she deserved the oscar. Arguably, it was the least interesting performance of those nominated. In my opinion Cher was more impressive in The Witches of Eastwick (the same year) than she was in Moonstruck.

Who gave the most memorable performance by a leading actress that year? In my opinion it was Diane Keaton in Baby Boom.

In addition to Keaton, there was great work, not nominated, by Lilian Gish in The Whales of August, Maggie Smith in The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearne, Angelica Huston in The Dead (although this was probably more of a supporting (ensemble member) performance; btw The Dead was IMHO the year's best movie, thought it was not nominated for best picture), Christine Lahti in Housekeeping, and Emily Lloyd in Wish You Were Here.

Lloyd won the National Society of Film Critics Award, second place went to Keaton, third to Hunter. Hunter won the New York Film Critics Award. Hunter and Kirkland shared the LA Film Critics Award. The Globes went to Cher and Kirkland. Gish and Hunter tied for the Nat Board of Review award.








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[best12bars]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 2:28pm

I was kinda surprised and sad that Lillian Gish didn't get nominated. I saw the movie recently, and while it's not a masterpiece by any means, her performance carried the film and she was deserving of a nomination.

I do remember all the buzz around Emily Lloyd, too.

By the way, I'm not a fan of "The Dead" at all. It's like watching paint dry to me.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 2:35pm

Gish's performance in Whales - I'm also not a big fan of the movie - was beautiful.

I'm sorry you feel that way about The Dead, best12. I enjoy every minute of it - it's only 83 minutes btw - and the final scene is devastating. Huston's direction was so precise and loving and the cast is flawless.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 2:36pm

Audrey Hepburn grabbed Cher's hand the night she won and said "I'm so glad you won - I wanted you to win!". Cher said that was as good as winning in itself.

You can't argue against Audrey Hepburn, surely? :)

[landryjames2]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 3:12pm

I just have the agree with the overall sentiment of this thread--that Moonstruck is one of those rare moments of film perfection. Every character, every actor who portrayed those characters, every line delivery, facial expressions, gestures, the screenplay, the direction were all just flawless. Cher was astounding, and one of the few times I am glad someone else got the award when Streep had been nominated (most of the time, I just think Meryl should win for simply stepping in front of the camera as she equals brilliance like no other--and actually hasn't really won that much despite the onslaught of nominations).

[bobs3]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 4:09pm

It was a great year for actresses. Cher, Meryl Streep, Glenn Close and Holly Hunter all deserved their nominations. The less said about Sally Kirkland the better. She got that 5th spot but Lillian Gish (The Whales of August), Anjelica Huston (The Dead), and especially Christine Lahti (Housekeeping) deserved a nomination more than Kirkland.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 5:36pm

I think a bit needs to be said about Sally Kirkland. She hired a couple of press agents, wrote personal letters to every Academy member, and had Shelley Winters to make 150 phone calls to voters.

You have to admire her determination (if not necessarily her performance).

[Playbilly]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 7:05pm

Cher has always been more a singer than an actor. She won an Oscar, SUSPECT was released, but she went back to music. She was the favorite that year for sure. Close was popular, but FATAL ATTRACTION had backlash.

Cher was a safe choice. Big star, dues paid.

[jnb9872]

Posted: 10/22/13 at 9:03pm

I don't know if any of you have been frequenting The Dissolve but they've set themselves with a great little film site over there. One of their weekly features has been called Performance Review where they look back at a certain year's award in one category, who won each of the major awards, and discuss the merits of the "competitors" as they were.


It so happens, they've discussed Cher/Holly Hunter/Sally Kirkland etc in the 1988 Best Actress race

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 10/23/13 at 10:41am

Moonstruck is very close to being a flawless film. The only major misstep is when she's on a romantic date...with a dress. She puts on smooth jazz and enjoys a glass of wine by the fireside admiring...the dress. Everything else about the film is so perfect, but that scene makes me wince every time.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 10/23/13 at 10:53am

Totally forgot that was the year of "Housekeeping"! Lahti deserved the oscar, imo, with Meryl a close second. I dont think I saw Lahti's performance before the oscars, though, so was not disappointed even though I had loved the novel.

Cher's win was predicted before her film opened, which was not as prevelant as it is now in the digital era. That statue was hers from the beginning.

And, Poritzkova was better than Kirkland in "Anna".

[dreaming]

Posted: 10/23/13 at 1:03pm

@jane2-I loved "Mermaids" a whole lot more than "Moonstruck" (and Cher's performance). And I stand by my belief that Cher didn't deserve anything for "Moonstruck". (I've tried several times to 'get it' but sadly, it doesn't click.)

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/23/13 at 3:53pm

Thanks for that link, jnb.

Reginald, that's interesting about Sally Kirkland - are you saying that's perhaps why Lillian Gish was shut out, or did Sally's campaign only start after the nominations?