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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#225
Posted: 4/19/22 at 2:26pm
The industry sentiment around SIX seems to largely be "it's a great concert" in that many don't buy it as a musical. Which I tend to agree with, it's a big fat hit either way.
A big musical won top prize last year, don't count out the desire to reward a work of art like this this year.
And, to be fair re: Slave Play, you can likely chalk that up to Jeremy's own antics while the show was running. He made it his sole purpose to disrupt, and it rubbed A LOT of people the wrong way, justified or not. For example, the endorsement of Rihanna texting during the show was a bigger industry issue than many probably realize. The voting body is not above snubbing based on antics like that. See: Matilda, which was largely doomed from the start given the producing rights controversy and then the nail was in the coffin after Matthew Warchus got up at an industry event and basically told an American audience of Tony voters that the Brits make better musicals.
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#226
Posted: 4/19/22 at 2:46pm
if anyone knows where comp offers might be floating around please feel free to message me....
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#227
Posted: 4/19/22 at 3:02pm
There will be a percentage of folks who don’t like the show and/or are put off by its language, frank (blunt?) sexuality, subject matter, or even its skewering of the industry. But as of now, it’s not clear what that percentage will be. The production has a lot of very strong allies, and Michael R. Jackson is doing his part as an actively involved creator to help boost it. I would hope that voters would want to reward a new voice in musical theater at a time when we seeing many make it to Broadway.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#228
Posted: 4/19/22 at 4:15pm
If the Tony Awards mean anything then all of Best Musical, Score & Book will go to A Strange Loop. It would just feel like a travesty for any of these awards to go to Six.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#229
Posted: 4/19/22 at 4:44pm
But aren't the writers of SIX also "new voices" in musical theatre? I bet SIX wins best score and A STRANGE LOOP wins Best Book.
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#230
Posted: 4/19/22 at 4:58pm
And I really believe SIX will win Best Musical. It’s the better show in my opinion. We also can’t discount GIRL FROM THE NORTH COUNTRY and how votes will get split, etc.
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#231
Posted: 4/19/22 at 5:00pm
Did you see this show?
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#232
Posted: 4/19/22 at 5:04pm
SIX is incredibly clever for a show that's "just a concert" (which I think is a gross understatement). It knows what it is, does it well, doesn't overstay its welcome, and received rave reviews here and in London. It's got a solid store, performances, and production values, and it is written/created by queer & female newcomers to the field. It creates interesting and specific characters without bogging us down with the mundane stuff. And above all, it's a crowdpleaser. Some people here are talking about it as though it's a jukebox revue.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#233
Posted: 4/19/22 at 5:17pm
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "SIX is incredibly clever for a show that's "just a concert" (which I think is a gross understatement). It knows what it is, does it well, doesn't overstay its welcome, and received rave reviews here and in London. It's got a solid store, performances, and production values, and it is written/created by queer & female newcomers to the field. It creates interesting and specific characters without bogging us down with the mundane stuff. And above all, it's a crowdpleaser.Some people here are talking about it as though it's a jukebox revue."
Compared to ASL, it is kinda a “jukebox revue” tho. And you’ve still yet to tell me how SIX is “more artful”.
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#234
Posted: 4/19/22 at 5:28pm
It's not more artful, of course. They simply don't understand what a different opinion is.
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#235
Posted: 4/19/22 at 6:08pm
I think they’ll be eager to award an American musical as well.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#236
Posted: 4/19/22 at 6:11pm
Girl from the North Country has not been able to translate its critical success into commercial or popular success on Broadway… it couldn’t do it pre-pandemic, it hasn’t been able to do it following Broadway’s reopening, and I see no reason why that would change when it re-opens again. It’s just not a show that seems to make people passionate about it.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#237
Posted: 4/19/22 at 11:52pm
Cant believe Hudson will EGOT for giving money to this show LOL
Also, very sad that COVID prevent me from seeing the show, the score is amazing.
But I hear more and more people saying Jacquey is no Larry. Is this good news to Frost or Jackman or voters who hasnt seen Larry will like Spivey anyway?
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#238
Posted: 4/20/22 at 12:02am
MadsonMelo said: "Cant believe Hudson will EGOT for giving money to this show LOL
Also, very sad that COVID prevent me from seeing the show, the score is amazing.
But I hear more and more people saying Jacquey is no Larry. Is this good news to Frost or Jackman or voters who hasnt seen Larry will like Spivey anyway?"
It really depends on the campaign the show is able to run to boost Spivey. Frost has missed a ton of shows and MJ is a weaker role as a whole than Usher, except the dancing. Jackman could slip in, but the guy doesn’t need another Tony, especially for this.
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A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#239
Posted: 4/20/22 at 12:05am
God the amount of immature pearl-clutching over the language and subject matter.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#240
Posted: 4/20/22 at 6:41am
VotePeron said: "MadsonMelo said: "But I hear more and more people saying Jacquel is no Larry. Is this good news to Frost or Jackman or voters who hasn't seen Larry will like Spivey anyway?"
It really depends on the campaign the show is able to run to boost Spivey. Frost has missed a ton of shows and MJ is a weaker role as a whole than Usher, except the dancing. Jackman could slip in, but the guy doesn’t need another Tony, especially for this."
I'm currently predicting Spivey to win because A Strange Loop is expected to be the strongest contender between that, MJ, and The Music Man. Which was pretty much how Tony Shalhoub managed to win for The Band's Visit back in 2018. In what was a hotly contested race for Best Lead Actor in a Musical, he benefited from his show being the strongest contender.
Myles Frost could also be vulnerable due to outside factors regarding the person he's playing. Although I've heard that people within the industry have liked MJ more than the critics did. I guess it could have a similar trajectory to Bohemian Rhapsody’s at the 2018 Oscars. Despite not being a critical favorite and being plagued with controversy, it not only proves to be a commercial hit, but people within the industry like it more. Hugh Jackman could be vulnerable due to his production not living up to everyone's expectations.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#241
Posted: 4/20/22 at 7:29am
VotePeron said: "A Strange Loop winning the Pulitzer Prize for Drama and then losing the Tony Award to a pop concert written in a university class is just…chaos."
This is the correct take. Privileged white Cambridge grads are "new voices"? Get out of here.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#242
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:14am
Kad said: "There will be a percentage of folks who don’t like the show and/or are put off by its language, frank (blunt?) sexuality, subject matter, or even its skewering of the industry. But as of now, it’s not clear what that percentage will be. The production has a lot of very strong allies, and Michael R. Jackson is doing his part as an actively involved creator to help boost it. I would hope that voters would want to reward a new voice in musical theater at a time when we seeing many make it to Broadway."
I know there's a longstanding debate about the impact (or lack thereof) of the "out-of-town" voters. But *if* they are indeed a factor, they'll certainly be a factor this year. I just saw Strange Loop last weekend, and I think it was a fine piece of art. But my feelings aren't really the point here. Objectively, I have been trying to imagine it touring North America, and it's a little tough to envision. I live in Pittsburgh and reviewed shows on the radio here. I saw some folks leave the Spring Awakening tour at intermission, balk at Book of Mormon, etc. But this seems pretty next-level in terms of how challenging it will be to a lot of people.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#243
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:22am
I agree that this isn’t a touring kinda show. I saw Book Of Mormon in Orlando and people were So OfFENdEd at the language (and I personally don’t like Book of Mormon, but I didn’t think it was that bad).
Its so secret that I’m a Six Stan. In my perfect world Six takes score, while this takes Best Musical and Book.
Also just curious, is there anywhere online to find a list of who the Tony voters are this year?
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#244
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:23am
binau said: "If the Tony Awards mean anything then all of Best Musical, Score & Book will go to A Strange Loop. It would just feel like a travesty for any of these awards to go to Six."
I think there are years we all feel this way. I'll never be able to make sense of Next to Normal losing to Billy Elliott, but in the end, it doesn't affect my personal relationship to and enjoyment of the show.
I also think hope that discussions about SL don't get too politically overheated, in the sense that it may actually be possible to separate feelings about the subject matter and its importance from the show itself. Not to get too sports-y, but people frequently argue about the definition of Most Valuable Player in baseball. There are many interpretations of the word "valuable." Just as there can be many interpretations of "Best" in "Best Musical."
For the record, if I were a Tony voter I'd agree with you 100% on Book and Score....and I'd sit there staring at the paper/screen for a *long* time on Best Musical.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#245
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:25am
VintageSnarker said: "VotePeron said: "A Strange Loop winning the Pulitzer Prize for Drama and then losing the Tony Award to a pop concert written in a university class is just…chaos."
This is the correct take. Privileged white Cambridge grads are "new voices"? Get out of here."
A pretty insulting comment. Michael J. Jackson also has an MFA in musical theatre writing from NYU, which is its own kind of privilege.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#246
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:29am
dwwst12 said: "Kad said: "There will be a percentage of folks who don’t like the show and/or are put off by its language, frank (blunt?) sexuality, subject matter, or even its skewering of the industry. But as of now, it’s not clear what that percentage will be. The production has a lot of very strong allies, and Michael R. Jackson is doing his part as an actively involved creator to help boost it. I would hope that voters would want to reward a new voice in musical theater at a time when we seeing many make it to Broadway."
I know there's a longstanding debate about the impact (or lack thereof) of the "out-of-town" voters. But *if* they are indeed a factor, they'll certainly be a factor this year. I just saw Strange Loop last weekend, and I think it was a fine piece of art. But my feelings aren't really the point here. Objectively, I have been trying to imagine it touring North America, and it's a little tough to envision. I live in Pittsburgh and reviewed shows on the radio here. I saw some folks leave the Spring Awakening tour at intermission, balk at Book of Mormon, etc. But this seems pretty next-level in terms of how challenging it will be to a lot of people.
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I think this is a really solid point, and one I have found myself thinking about. If/when A Strange Loop tours, it's going to be very interesting to see how it is marketed as part of a subscription. I have not seen the show yet, but based on the cast album alone, it is clear this show is not for everyone and is a lot more "challenging" in many ways than other shows that have sparked some controversies when they went out on the road. Hell, the current Oklahoma! tour has people losing their sh*t (reading the comments on the social media channels of the venues that the tour has played is very entertaining if you're looking to kill some time and see some ignorance on display, btw).
It is going to be interesting to see how road voters will vote. SIX is already touring, and I can see road voters going with that just to have that added "BEST MUSICAL" prestige to add to the marketing when the tour comes to their cities, but at the same time, SIX doesn't NEED that marketing at all to sell out, and I'm sure road voters are aware of that as well... On this note, does anyone happen to know what percentage of Tony voters are road house presenters?
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#247
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:36am
bwayphreak234 said: On this note, does anyone happen to know what percentage of Tony voters are road house presenters?"
I feel like I've seen numbers ranging from 10 to 25 percent...?
I keep alternating between thinking:
"Eh, maybe I'm not giving people enough credit since it's still a musical-loving crowd, even in Middle America!"
and
"This could be one of the few (only?) Best Musical that never tours!"
Definitely going to be a tricky needle to thread.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#248
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:42am
QueenAlice said: "VintageSnarker said: "VotePeron said: "A Strange Loop winning the Pulitzer Prize for Drama and then losing the Tony Award to a pop concert written in a university class is just…chaos."
This is the correct take. Privileged white Cambridge grads are "new voices"? Get out of here."
A pretty insulting comment. Michael J. Jackson also has an MFA in musical theatre writing from NYU, which is its own kind of privilege."
It’s a privilege to get in, but not a privilege to be saddled with the debt. And NYU’s musical theatre writing program is not comparable to Cambridge, c’mon now.
A STRANGE LOOP On Broadway - News & Discussion Thread#249
Posted: 4/20/22 at 9:52am
Granted I am not a tourist bringing in all the tourist cash....
Wow this wants me to get back to NYC. I pray for it’s success!
Really hope this gets Best Musical. While SIX I do find creative so not a knock against that. Original stories with original music need to be honored and shown they’re still alive today. This is an important show for broadway especially in the post pandemic era where absolutely no success is guaranteed. Hope this does well.
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