Adam Lambert Cabaret 1/22 Matinee Audience Behavior — Page 2

People are either in denial, or wilfully ignorant if they think a lot of antisemitism isn't coming from certain groups of the left. While being Jewish, and isreal, are two different things, that doesn't stop people from equating them as the same and targeting them all as one in the same.

The left is equally as capable of being dangerously idiotic, just like the MAGA crowd. Some parts of the left have gone so far left they are becoming right wing.

Kad said: "You know, as a Jew, I just love being treated like a hot potato being bounced around in debates of which side of the political spectrum hates me more."


Well, I love you.

I mean... in the context of Cabaret nothing Adam said doesn't make sense. This isn't like they did it during a performance of Sunset Blvd...

Updated On: 1/23/25 at 03:47 PM

Theatrefan2 said: "People are either in denial, or wilfully ignorant if they think a lot of antisemitism isn't coming from certain groups of the left. While being Jewish, and isreal, are two different things, that doesn't stop people from equating them as the same and targeting them all as one in the same.

The left is equally as capable of being dangerously idiotic, just like the MAGA crowd. Some parts of the left have gone so far left they are becoming right wing."

Sure thing, hun. Keep telling yourself that.

Worth noting that the last Trump administration was very pro-Israel and yet we saw a stark rise in anti-Semitism. Also, the Elon thing is straight out of their playbook: do something that sure as hell looks like a bad thing, say it isn't a bad thing, reap all the benefits from people who support the bad thing without ever distancing yourself from them and score points by "owning" the people who are reacting negatively to the bad thing by pointing out how sensitive they are. This happened over and over last time, too. Judging by this small sample size, looks like it's already working on some people.

I wonder how many of them were laughing at the “joke” and how many of them were laughing out of discomfort. It feels like there’s a growing number of people who cannot simply be silent and sit with the uncomfortable moments when a piece of art challenges them. They’re compelled to break the tension and distance themselves from the feeling, so they laugh awkwardly. I find it highly annoying, but it seems more and more common.

If anybody is acutely aware of antisemitism, it’s Jews. We don’t need to be discussed as if we aren’t here and aren’t aware of it. We know.

I think, at least for me, you're explaining the situation condescendingly and without nuance (and frankly to my mind, incorrectly). I think if you are Jewish and trying to talk to non-Jewish folk... your tone makes sense. But to a Jewish person, at least to me, it's annoying because it sounds like you're probably not Jewish. You have, a few times, conflated Jews and Israel which is annoying and incorrect. At least that's what's bothered me the most. I suppose, if you are Jewish (and you're right we couldn't possibly tel) that bothers me less... but to me that feels like an assumption a Jewish person would not make. All Jewish folk do not support Israel. Even many Jewish folk who DO support Israel do not support the Israel and their actions and do not think criticizing Israel is anti-semetic.

binau said: "This is an anonymous forum, it’s impossible to tell someone’s ethnicity unless they tell us.Otherwise, all people can do is discuss the issues as they see them? Idon’t really get the specific action. Not discuss it at all and be quiet? (I’m not going to do this personally). Address it to specific groups such as non-Jews? Surely you can see that it’s impossible to succeed here because you can get criticised for pretending it doesn’t exist and now criticised for highlighting the issue. Can we not just interpret posts in good faith with the best intentions rather than go down this path of getting offended?"

I've been here long enough that people know I am not someone to cry offense at every thing. I don't even think laughter at the end of "If You Could See Her" is necessarily driven by antisemitism.

However, this thread immediately became finger pointing at who is more antisemitic, with you helpfully stepping in to point out that, well, actually, a lot of people seem to hate Jews. That is not insightful or revelatory and even despite the wearisome Left v Right tack this thread promptly took, the fact that antisemitism is real and pervasive has never been in debate. You don't have a a unique overview on the situation and it's not some abstract discussion point for you to take a high-minded tone on. I'm not accusing you of anything except being remarkably tone deaf in how you've decided to weigh in.

"My ultimate goal is to try and bring balance to the conversation so that people can take a more centrist approach"

Except that you've adopted talking points that are not true and continue to push them. By reducing the nuance of the situation, you're actually furthering the division that you seem genuinely trying to reduce. You introduce straw-man talking points as an attempt to say "See! It's both sides" when what you're saying about "progressives" is either lacking nuance to the point of propaganda OR missing the point of what's actually being said.

I do not think this is intentional and I genuinely think you're trying your best and have good intentions.

KJisgroovy said: ""My ultimate goal is to try and bring balance to the conversation so that people can take a more centrist approach"

Except that you've adopted talking points that are not true and continue to push them. By reducing the nuance of the situation, you're actually furthering the division that you seem genuinely trying to reduce. You introduce straw-man talking points as an attempt to say "See! It's both sides" when what you're saying about "progressives" is either lacking nuance to the point of propaganda OR missing the point of what's actually being said.

I do not think this is intentional and I genuinely think you're trying your best and have good intentions."

At this point, I believe it is intentional. They pulled the same thing in the Gypsy and Sunset Blvd. threads. They're constantly bringing in right-wing talking points for "balance." If one's good intentions require spreading misinformation and lies, their intentions are actually bad.

Given the most recent response, I'm unsure if Binau is doing it on purpose or is just genuinely unaware that they're reciting American conservative talking points.

This is what your ideology does though, it tries to shut down conversation and stop people speaking. By denouncing it as misinformation or racist. Instead of acting in good faith. Like this is how your ideology works - rather than engage in the argument it tries to silence, to suppress, to censor.

it’s why Elon Musk instead of a champion for the left is now demonised and accused of being a Nazi because your ideology has determined he is now public enemy #2.

Well it doesn’t work. You people need to realise that this small world is not how everyone thinks - and it’s becoming more and more marginalised. If you don’t be reasonable, if you don’t listen or change your approach you will achieve nothing and even worse counterproductively cause your own cause to lose momentum.