Broadway Star Joined: 4/30/22
Betcha they pay Groff a ton of money to tour Just In Time for six months or so.
Stand-by Joined: 9/25/24
yiiiiiiiiikes. How much longer do you give Six?
MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "Netflix is the main producer of Stranger Things, and they are willing to pump money into it in order to uplift their brand. But they DESPERATELY need some synergy with the TV series to turn things around. It's absolutely mind boggling that we still don't have a premiere date for Season 5. It would be such an easy marketing tool to create a sense of urgency with the Broadway such if they did ("hurry, make sure you catch up with Vecna in The First Shadow before you watch the final showdown when Season 5 premieres on XX DATE")."
My thoughts also. I am sure they have SOME footage they could have used as a teaser for the Final season and tied it in with the play.
My thought is that it has been so long between season 4 and the upcoming final season that people may not have "moved on", but the excitement/interest has "waned" a bit. Also fans know who Vecna is and most of his backstory, but I think people will still tune in after they ramp up the advertising for Season 5 and it drops. When the play was announced it was right on the heels of Season 4. I can kind of see why it is doing so well in London as it opened closer to the end of that season. It has been 3 years for us since the last season and a year and a half since the play opened in London. This is why I really think Netflix should have tied the show in with the final season here. Just my random thoughts.
The Dead Outlaw numbers are not quite as baffling as some claim. In my experience - and I saw the show 2 weeks ago - the word of mouth isn't what some expected. This fascinating piece has all the earmarks of an old school off-Broadway show, the kind we used to see at the Orpheum back in the day. Or Westside Arts. It's too niche to pull a large audience. I fully enjoyed it, but I've spoken to two sets of out of town visiting friends who found it wildly overrated. In both cases they had limited slots to fill and felt Dead Outlaw used up one that might've gone to another show. Anecdotal evidence is suspect, always, but these sets of friends are demographically different, one pair in the biz, yet both felt "meh" when pitting the show against other stuff they attended. I also wonder if it should've moved quickly, or at least last September.
alovingfan said: "SmokeyLady said: "Very happy for Buena Vista. The shows that needed miracles are not getting them. Death Becomes Her is doing great. But I wonder if the leads iffy attendance record is hurting them? Or those the audience not really care?"
I was not the only one that asked for a exchange this last Sunday. But there weren't many. My friend did say that at the booth they were telling customers Megan was out. So it probably did have some negative effect... if minimal."
Their absences just seem so weird and so random. On days they have been out they attend other daytime events and seem in good health.
Broadway Star Joined: 4/30/22
Re: Dead Outlaw being more suited to off-Broadway… Howard Ashman really knew what he was doing by insisting Little Shop stay at the Orpheum. They should have remained downtown and become a destination.
Ricey2 said: "I really wish Real Women could turn it around, but it’s just not happening sadly."
I’m making some generalizations here but my mind keeps coming back to is the fact that it is being produced by Barry & Fran Weissler. They obviously have a portfolio and much deeper pockets/investor relations they can lean on, certainly more than other young producers are able to.
After their most recent success on Waitress, which shares some similar themes and audience overlap, I have to hope they may be inclined to ride out the fantastic buzz at least through the summer and see if they can start breaking even. I think going by the standards of their other projects and habits, closing pre-Tonys is too early to throw in the can.
The big haul of noms definitely seemed to help Buena Vista, Maybe Happy Ending and Death Becomes Her.
Even with RWHC at death's door and a few long runners looking pretty weak lately, I feel like the show that had the absolute worst week is Stranger Things. Those are just terrible numbers for a big, expensive tourist show.
I saw Dead Outlaw this past Saturday mat. I sat in the mezz surrounded by a restless audience and empty rows of seats in the rear side mezz. My posting history confirms that I loved this off Broadway, but boy, did I feel far away and disconnected from the performance from that vantage point. I can't imagine seeing this from the balcony.
Add wrong theater to the running list of Dead Outlaw's problems.
scripps said: "I saw Dead Outlaw this past Saturday mat. I sat in the mezz surrounded by a restless audience and empty rows of seats in the rear side mezz. My posting history confirms that I loved this off Broadway, but boy, did I feel far away and disconnected from the performance from that vantage point.I can't imagine seeing this from the balcony.
Add wrong theater to the running list of Dead Outlaw's problems."
I was in the mezz and could not connect with it at all. I wonder if I would have liked it better with a different seat.
TotallyEffed said: "I was in the mezz and could not connect with it at all. I wonder if I would have liked it better with a different seat."
Could be. I know you can only choose from the theaters you are offered, but you'd think the big buzzy hit from last spring would have had better housing prospects. I really am surprised at how I felt; if it was my first time with the material I'd think it was fine, maybe I'd listen to the cast album every now and then. Definitely a contrast from me running out of the former Minetta Lane texting everyone that they had to jump on tickets to this wild new show.
I'll continue to recommend this but with the disclaimer of orchestra seats only!
alovingfan said: "You think Real Women posts closing notice today?"
I think if it were closing before the Tony Awards they'd have announced by now.
pablitonizer said: "The way RWHC, Boop! and Dead Outlaw are hemorrhaging money is shocking. At least Dead Outlaw is running for Best musical and still has chances, while the other twoarestill open for no reason.
So happy for DBH, my favorite musical this season by far!
And what's with those 'Harry Potter' numbers? Do you think 'Stranger Things' is snatching some audience from them or something else is happening?"
Dead Outlaw is much cheaper to run than RWHC and Boop. It's also made more money each week - slow, and small, but steady.
A few younger couples tonight at Goodnight and Good Luck were raving about Outlaw and its music. It's got a heartbeat and word is getting out to those it appeals to.
Feel bad for RWHC. It's very well meaning even if cheesy at times. Maybe they will buy a Tony slot with Latina celebrity women introducing it ?
Mincemeat is quite the star New Musical this season and another reason for a Best Ensemble Tony.
Stand-by Joined: 5/4/08
witchoftheeast2 said: "yiiiiiiiiikes. How much longer do you give Six?"
They have already recouped and the show is not very expensive to run. So they can keep it up for a while.
I'm more surprised by the numbers of Smashed. Despite the mediocre reviews and everything it still sold okay.
Broadway Star Joined: 12/9/23
RWHC won’t post closing until after the spring road conference — same for Boop
GottaGetAGimmick420 said: "RWHC won’t post closing until after the spring road conference — same for Boop"
So…Friday?
scripps said: "TotallyEffed said: "I was in the mezz and could not connect with it at all. I wonder if I would have liked it better with a different seat."
Could be. I know you can only choose from the theaters you are offered, but you'd think the big buzzy hit from last spring would have had better housing prospects. I really am surprisedat how I felt; if it was my first time with the material I'd think it was fine, maybe I'd listen to the cast album every now and then.Definitely a contrast from me running out of the former Minetta Lane texting everyone that they had to jump on tickets to this wild new show.
I'll continue to recommend this but with the disclaimer of orchestra seats only!
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I'd add front center mezz too. I saw Dead Outlaw from front row mezz at Minetta Lane and was simply in awe. To be fair, Minetta is a very intimate theater and I recall for mezz, they only had 2 rows of seating. The rest of the mezz were closed off.
I will be absolutely shocked if RWHC makes it to the Tonys, and I predict that Dead Outlaw will be the first post-Tonys casualty when it goes home empty handed.
Understudy Joined: 5/3/17
SmokeyLady said: "alovingfan said: "I was not the only one that asked for a exchange this last Sunday. But there weren't many. My friend did say that at the booth they were telling customers Megan was out. So it probably did have some negative effect... if minimal."
Their absences just seem so weird and so random. On days they have been out they attend other daytime events and seem in good health."
I'm wondering -- do you think that they (Megan/Jennifer) have it in their contracts that a public appearance/TV show counts as a performance? It would be a smart move to avoid being overworked during the awards season by running from all these promo appearances and dragging themselves through 8 shows a week and exhausting themselves in the process. Originally, they may have thought they could cover it with understudies but when the show went viral on TikTok and more was demanded of them, they knew they had to get Dee as a s/b to cover more.
ColdClimateDude said: "SmokeyLady said: "alovingfan said: "I was not the only one that asked for a exchange this last Sunday. But there weren't many. My friend did say that at the booth they were telling customers Megan was out. So it probably did have some negative effect... if minimal."
Their absences just seem so weird and so random. On days they have been out they attend other daytime events and seem in good health."
I'm wondering -- do you think that they (Megan/Jennifer) have it in their contracts that a public appearance/TV show counts as a performance? It would be a smart move to avoid being overworked during the awards season by running from all these promo appearances and dragging themselves through 8 shows a week and exhausting themselves in the process. Originally, they may have thought they could cover it with understudies but when the show went viral on TikTok and more was demanded of them, they knew they had to get Dee as a s/b to cover more."
Not sure what extra thing they would be doing just because clips have gone viral. And if there was a deal in place for their absences the ticket buyers would be made wise to it when purchasing tickets. If not then it would be false advertising . They probably have legitimately called out. It’s just a lot . So people want to naturally speculate . In other shows actors take to social media to say .. “I’m sorry I’m out.. I’m sick .. etc…. “
scripps said: "TotallyEffed said: "I was in the mezz and could not connect with it at all. I wonder if I would have liked it better with a different seat."
Could be. I know you can only choose from the theaters you are offered, but you'd think the big buzzy hit from last spring would have had better housing prospects. I really am surprised at how I felt; if it was my first time with the material I'd think it was fine, maybe I'd listen to the cast album every now and then. Definitely a contrast from me running out of the former Minetta Lane texting everyone that they had to jump on tickets to this wild new show.
I'll continue to recommend this but with the disclaimer of orchestra seats only!
Absolutely. I was third row center and it was perfect, I think it's a show you have to be close to the stage to really love. I cannot imagine being able to get into it in the mezzanine at all. Wrong theater for this, honestly.
Stand-by Joined: 9/25/24
The numbers for BVSC just keep climbing. Good for them!
Understudy Joined: 11/17/17
Dead Outlaw is much cheaper to run than RWHC and Boop. It's also made more money each week - slow, and small, but steady.
Dead Outlaw has consistently lost money every single week it's been running. It's running costs are almost identical to Kimberly Akimbo's (580k).
BossBroadway said: "Dead Outlaw is much cheaper to run than RWHC and Boop. It's also made more money each week - slow, and small, but steady.
Dead Outlaw has consistently lost money every single week it's been running. Its running costs are almost identical to Kimberly Akimbo's (580k)."
I think the original poster meant Dead Outlaw has been grossing more week to week. Not necessarily accounting for profit margins.
Understudy Joined: 11/17/17
Ahh I see...looks like they may have meant their grosses increased week to week. My mistake.
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