ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "I thought your opinion when this production announced was that Matt Ross understands the market better than anyone else right now? In hindsight, that's obviously not the case after 3 fiascos in a row (one of which had more positive press than any Bway play could dream of)."
I'm not sure that's exactly what I said, but I do recall saying something praising his for experimenting (shows in tandem, shows with super low expenses. Obviously, while none of the 3 succeeded, my sense is that Pass Over was a different deal in which almost every stakeholder was invested because they wanted to see this on Broadway and in particular Jordan wanted that show to reopen Broadway plays. I think I said something about that at the time. I'm not sure I know the motivation for the other two beyond an experiment that did not work. In particular, I really didn't think they got much marketing support in the community.
A couple of other things:
Victor's post about COC is trolling. Just like his original post to the same effect that the mods took down. He was asked when the last time RTC took down a show early was and all we got in response was crickets.
And re Jujamcyn offering discounts to the lotto losers, that's actually a producer decision, not the theatre owner although they may well have tossed out the idea to their tenants.
I've heard about Lehman as well. It has a limited amount of performances left and I don't really see it closing early. I'm seeing it myself soon and my section seems full as well as a good majority of the orchestra. I saw it only once or twice on TKTS.
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "LEHMAN has been selling extremely well, all things considered. That play is catnip for the traditional NYC theatergoers and bridge-and-tunnel crowd. Stellar reviews will help, too.
Going by Ticketmaster, there's a lot of mezz & side orch inventory starting in mid November. BUT the key thing is they're selling prime orchestra seats, which can't be said for most other plays.They've been selling a limited number of seats via TKTS, too, but that's still $80-$100 a pop.Might not recoup, but I suspect it will finish its limited run.
Curious about its running cost, though:
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What's the deal with the people who come on stage in the last minute of the play? How much are they getting paid? The boys in THE INHERITANCE got 50% of an Equity minimum salary per week, per special agreement with AEA. If the production isn paying them each a full salary for one minute of stage time for a tableaux, they're the luckiest actors in NYC. Some are probably the standbys, but there are women in there too.
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To your spoiler tag: They paid $1000/wk. It's a GREAT gig.
Lunalaaaaaaaa said: "What do we think about PLAZA SUITE?"
It's a show for the white, upper-middle-class Broadway theatergoers with a beloved star who hasn't been on Broadway in 25 years. There's no guarantee that it will be good, but it's probably a safer bet than any of the plays this fall. Could attract the unattainable millennial audience, too... Sex & The City love is STRONG in this town.
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Lunalaaaaaaaa said: "What do we think about PLAZA SUITE?"
It's a show for the white, upper-middle-class Broadway theatergoers with a beloved star who hasn't been on Broadway in 25 years. There's no guarantee that it will begood, but it's probably a safer bet than any of the plays this fall. Could attract the unattainable millennial audience, too...Sex & The Citylove is STRONG in this town."
LOL. I thought this too! I feel like people who are nostalgic for SJP returning to Broadway, the undeniable Sex and the City fans, and those who might have missed Matthew Broderick in a previous Broadway show and just want to see him onstage will see this.
RippedMan said: "Timing wise won't it kind of line up with the new Sex and the City sequel?"
Yes, the SITC "revival" starts this December and Plaza Suite begins in February. The timing couldn't be more perfect from a business standpoint –– even more so than pre-Covid.
It's also Broderick's first Bway show in 6 years, his longest time away since since the 80s/90s.
I assumed that the producers had factored in slow sales and had some sort of buffer to keep the shows going for their limited run. This just appears idiotic at this point. These are business people, correct? Now twice I won’t see Dana H because it closed early. These shows just opened. They should have just reopened Dana H at the Vineyard or off Broadway. It never got to finish its initial run and there are a lot of people who wanted to see it. Now again they won’t get to.
Also stinks that Dana and Room really won’t stand a chance at Tonys because no one will have seen them. Deirdre is one of the finest actresses working and deserves a Tony.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal
"I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
Twitter circles are tiny. Internet chatter means nothing for plays if it's not translating into ticket sales. CHICKEN and THOUGHTS both appear to have only about 1/3 of seats sold this week. THOUGHTS is, bafflingly, scheduled through March –– so it's more a question if they can limp through to January or if they close quicker."
For what it’s worth, I happened to ask one of the cast members after a Friday night performance how long the run was (because I wanted to bring friends), and he had said “though March, but you definitely want to get it in before January 2.”
Based on that, I can’t assume high hopes for it running past January, which is a shame because it was a good show
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ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Hamilfan2 said: "Caroline is a Roundabout production, so I doubt it will close early. Much like other non-profits and subscription houses it’s pretty rare they close early, thanks to the built in revenue from subscribers and donors."
This.
What was the last Roundabout production to close early before the end of its already-limited engagement? In the past decade even if sales are bad, they seem to carry out the run."
Thank you. LEAVE CAROLINE ALONE!
I don't think Plaza Suite has particular appeal to fans of SATC the same way I wouldn't expect fans of Younger to see The Music Man. But both shows have other demographics to appeal to.
Every show has some sort of a cash reserve, but it is usually minimal for plays. A big musical might have a $1 mil reserve. The goal of any business-minded producer is always to bring in a show as cheaply as possible.
What's more common is a Priority Loan: If a show is losing money and needs money to stay alive and advertise, people put up additional funds after opening. A Priority Loan gets its name because any profit goes towards paying off the priority loan before it goes into the normal investor pool. I believe only two shows that have taken out Priority Loans have ever turned a profit on Bway (Smoky Joe's and A Gent's Guide). Even more common: talent and shops involved in putting up the show may also be asked to waive their weekly royalty ("going on waivers") to bring down the running cost (and sometimes star actors agree to be paid scale). Sometimes closing early can also mean the producers make a small return of capital to the investors (if all the money hasn't been spent) after all the books are audited. Many scenarios. TLDR, non-star plays should be produced as cheaply as humanly possible. And If a show is losing THAT much each week, it's generally a waste of investors' money to pour more into it.
Passion is what brings these shows to Broadway. At the very least, I'm glad people were passionate enough to try –– though perhaps not if it scares investors away from the theatre.
I’m not interested in Plaza Suite to see celebrities. I’m actually interested in the play regardless who’s on stage. Same with The Music Man. I’ve never seen any version of either so I’d like to see them for the story rather than who’s playing the characters.
It’s a shame for Dana H and Is This A Room closing early. I hate when limited engagement shows close early
I'll believe the "sky is falling" posts in this thread when I see it.
Sad for those involved but two obscure plays playing in rep was always going to be a tough sell even in non-pandemic times. And it's not like limited run shows closing early wasn't a thing before. It happens sometimes.
I'll eat my hat if Plaza Suite isn't a big, fat hit with very expensive tickets.
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These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
“Plaza Suite” will be one of only three shows playing with major star power - and I’m still not convinced even Craig is enough to fill houses at yet another revival of “Macbeth” - plus it’s starting well after kids will be able to get vaccinated so families will feel better/safer about traveling. I don’t see how this isn’t a huge hit.
I don't think it matters what play Daniel Craig is in, he sells tickets regardless. If it's well-received, all the better. That said, I WISH he would do a new play instead...
The one floating on IG was able to get me 2nd to last row in an almost empty mezzanine. Thinking TDF might be my best option here unless anyone knows any good codes.
^Are you talking about best value, or just price? Your best price is going to be rush tickets - which I'm guessing they continue selling right up until curtain. I don't know about how the rush seats are - maybe people talked about it in the respective show threads. If the seats are decent, that will be your best price AND your best value. If the seats suck, you'll probably get better value from TDF.
bandit964 said: "Anyone have any good discount codes for the BO?
The one floating on IG was able to get me 2nd to last row in an almost empty mezzanine. Thinking TDF might be my best option here unless anyone knows any good codes."
With rush seats, the closer you go to curtain time, the more likely you'll have better seats. The box office staff will want to "dress the house" and fill in the orchestra -- especially during these last few weeks when Tony Voters will be attending. TDF is more of a crap shoot -- could be front row -- could be balcony.