Director Jamie Lloyd next project is Phantom

[BETTY22]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 12:32pm

After Sunset Jamie is reimagining Phantom. 

Will be a radical departure from Prince production. 

[Dylan Smith4]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 12:35pm

Oh god no! Please tell me this is a joke!

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 12:35pm

"what if the phantom was hot and the mask was to hide his hotness"

[quizking101]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 12:37pm

Sure, Jan.

So says you in another thread with no corroborating evidence and poor grammar

[Voter]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 1:00pm

Over Cam Mack's dead body

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 1:02pm

Christine will be completely nude to represent her vulnerability and the Phantom will now wear a mask that’s painted to look like Raoul’s face to represent the two men in her life. And he’ll also be nude. 

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 1:11pm

The audience will also be nude.

[MCfan2]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 1:15pm

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: ""what if the phantom was hot and the mask was to hide his hotness""

That was the movie version.

[pmensky]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 1:17pm

quizking101 said: "Sure, Jan.

So says you in another thread with no corroborating evidence and poor grammar"

Exactly. This thread was started by the same person who immediately posted that the Sunset producers were shopping for a Broadway theatre the day after first previews in London. 

[TaffyDavenport]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 1:20pm

EVERYONE will be masked throughout, except during "Masquerade."

[starlightlocamotion]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 2:41pm

In all honesty, I am having a hard time imagining what a drastically different version of PHANTOM would look like … or what could possibly be gained from stripping it down to bare bones. 

[B212323]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 2:42pm

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: ""what if the phantom was hot and the mask was to hide his hotness""

That's the best laugh I've had in weeks! 

[morosco]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 2:53pm

There's another rumor floating out there that the project will be a Sondheim show. A Cappella Assassins.

[lopside]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 3:35pm

The thread starting person sounds like a devotee of S*eaty O**cle, just spouting bull**** most of them to see which one might stick. 

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 3:52pm

morosco said: "There's another rumor floating out there that the project will be a Sondheim show. ACappella Assassins."

ok THIS would be much more interesting to me

or possibly a train wreck

tbd

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/26/23 at 4:13pm

I believe I heard the recent Chichester “Assassins” is going to be having a West End run. 

[Valentina3]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 8:13am

Can Phantom work stripped down though? I feel like the story is strong enough to sustain it. I do want a darker version to show up sometime in near future which more deeply explores how much of a groomer / assaulter Phantom was and not just "troubled" soul. I always feel like the ending kinda gives him a hero spin, despite everything else he did preceding it. 

[Phantom4ever]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 9:12am

What did the Phantom do to groom or assault Christine? 

[KevinKlawitter]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 10:35am

Phantom4ever said: "What did the Phantom do to groom or assault Christine?"

If you can't see the pretty explicit grooming in his dialogue, that "Music of the Night" dims out with her passed out in his bed while he looks on at her isn't exactly subtle in what it's implying.

ALW toned down a lot of the Phantom's nastiness from the book for the show, but the characterization of the Phantom as a controlling, obsessive abuser is still there.

[Phantom4ever]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 10:48am

They are two adults. Can you name a specific line in MOTN that is "grooming" and not romance? And she fainted and he covered her with a blanket, rather than touching her. And the lights dim with the Phantom looking out into the house, not with her staring at Christine. That would be kind of creepy.

What's really dangerous here is throwing around words like grooming and sexual assault. These are serious, life-changing crimes and trying to make the Phantom a rapist or a predator does quite a disservice to SA victims and survivors. This is going into boy-who-cried-wolf territory and pretty soon SA victims will be doubted even more than they already are because we are so sloppy about using the terms. 

Updated On: 9/27/23 at 10:48 AM

[pmensky]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 10:52am

Phantom4ever said: "They are two adults. Can you name a specific line in MOTN that is "grooming" and not romance? And she fainted and he covered her with a blanket, rather than touching her. And the lights dim with the Phantom looking out into the house, not with her staring at Christine. That would be kind of creepy."

Isn’t she stated as being 17 in the original source material?

[KevinKlawitter]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 10:57am

Phantom4ever said: "They are two adults. Can you name a specific line in MOTN that is "grooming" and not romance? And she fainted and he covered her with a blanket, rather than touching her. And the lights dim with the Phantom looking out into the house, not with her staring at Christine. That would be kind of creepy.

What's really dangerous here is throwing around words like grooming and sexual assault. These are serious, life-changing crimes and trying to make the Phantom a rapist or a predator does quite a disservice to SA victims and survivors. This is going into boy-who-cried-wolf territory and pretty soon SA victims will be doubted even more than they already are because we are so sloppy about using the terms."

"Sing once again with me / our strange duet / my power over you / grows stronger yet / and through you turn from me / to glance behind / the Phantom of the opera is there / inside your mind"

not exactly subtle.

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 11:04am

Her age is not explicitly stated in the novel. One translation did state her age as 15, but that was a mistranslation of a phrase describing her voice as “pure as that of a 15 year old.” Based on her childhood friendship with Raoul and the fact that she had been through four years of conservatory training that had already been completed before the events of the novel began she was more likely to have been in her early 20s.

[KevinKlawitter]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 11:04am

pmensky said: "Phantom4ever said: "They are two adults. Can you name a specific line in MOTN that is "grooming" and not romance? And she fainted and he covered her with a blanket, rather than touching her. And the lights dim with the Phantom looking out into the house, not with her staring at Christine. That would be kind of creepy."

Isn’t she stated as being 17 in the original source material?"

Her age isn't stated explicitly, but based on her background information and her history with Raoul she's probably around 21, and is also described as having a heart "as pure as that of a 15-year-old" (take of that what you will). The Phantom also doesn't have his age explicitly stated but he's in all likelihood substantially older - probably in his late 30s or 40s.

[Phantom4ever]

Posted: 9/27/23 at 11:13am

Perhaps, but in the stage play, she is an adult with an adult job at a theater. The age of consent in France is 15. 

American society is not comfortable with age differences in romantic relationships. When we see an older man and younger woman, we often automatically make generalizations. 

The facts are that the Phantom's romantic love for Christine is unrequited. It's also important to remember his response when Christine asked if he was going to rape her: "The fate which condemns me to wallow in blood has also denied me the joys of the flesh". This is repeated when Christine kissed him and the Phantom cannot even put his arms around her in a hug. Not exactly sexual assault.