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If Hello Dolly could extend it's run?
#50If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:07pm
Valentina3 said: "GavestonPS said: " Yeah, they could have looked up the rules on the internet, but who does that except you and I?"
*you and me
since you guys are both being petty
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Sorry, val, but you are wrong. "You" and "I" in the sentence in question are both SUBJECT pronouns: "You do that"; "I do that"; your clue might have been the use of "who", also a subject pronoun.
You are confusing my phrase with instances of OBJECT pronouns. To wit, "She has invited you and me." She invited you. She invited me. She invited us.
I is always the subject of a sentence or clause; the subject indicates who does something such as "look up rules on the internet".
Me is always the object in a sentence or clause; the object indicates one to whom something--"invited"--is done.
As long as we're being petty. I trust you realized the point of my original post was that grammar is no longer taught in American schools, so the claim that "everyone" should know the basic rules is unfair as well as unrealistic. I wasn't jumping on the grammar-correction train until you pulled me aboard.
Grammar v. spelling: since the instances at issue here involve issues such as possessive form v. contractions, I think the rules can be considered either.
#51If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:13pm
darquegk said: "What about Alison Janney? I can't think of anyone more ideal than her.
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If ever an actress was a Mame rather than a Dolly, it is Alison Janney.
carnzee
Broadway Star Joined: 9/2/11
#52If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:21pm
DAME said: "Latifah saw the show this weekend. Now there is a idea! But I wouldn't be surprised if what they do in January is close it for the winter and re open it in April again with Bette. Kind of what Helen Mirren did.
Latifah has been my dream replacement all along. Reba is not bad either. (I assume you are referring to the London production of The Audience?)
carnzee
Broadway Star Joined: 9/2/11
#53If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:25pm
GavestonPS said: "darquegk said: "What about Alison Janney? I can't think of anyone more ideal than her.
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If ever an actress was a Mame rather than a Dolly, it is Alison Janney.
Now I want productions of Auntie Mame with Allison Janney and The Matchmaker with Kathy Bates.
Jesus_Freak
Swing Joined: 1/30/17
#54If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:26pm
I'm curious about the choice by some of Latifah for the role. I know she is a versatile talent no doubt but I somehow get the feeling that the only reason her name continues to be bandied about to play "Dolly" is because of her strong resemblance and the years-old rumor that she was once considered to play Pearl Bailey in a bio pic.
Updated On: 3/27/17 at 04:26 PM
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#55If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:28pm
darquegk said: "What about Alison Janney? I can't think of anyone more ideal than her"
Please try harder.
#56If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:36pm
GavenstonP, I wanted you to be right because you bothered to type out the explanation so I went to look up the rules on the internet and I'm afraid you're not right afterall. Source. It explicitly calls out the case when subject becomes the object if it's following a preposition meaning "except or than". There's an added exception where subject+verb form is sometimes used, but your sentence did not follow that construct.
And yes, you're right that I wasn't staying true to your original point - but your original point wasn't what this thread is about either. I didn't mean to offend, though I was being rude so I apologize.
Caption: Every so often there was a rare moment of perfect balance when I soared above him.
Updated On: 3/27/17 at 04:36 PM
carnzee
Broadway Star Joined: 9/2/11
#57If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:43pm
Jesus_Freak said: "I'm curious about the choice by some of Latifah for the role. I know she is a versatile talent no doubt but I somehow get the feeling that the only reason her name continues to be bandied about to play "Dolly" is because of her strong resemblance and the years-old rumor that she was once considered to play Pearl Bailey in a bio pic.
Her resemblance is probably what put the idea in my head, but her performance in Chicago and her name recognition are why I think she'd be successful. Plus it would be nice to see a woman of color do it, just like in the original.
#58If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 4:53pm
I'm going to agree with the original poster. Reba would be ideal.
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-- Thomas Jefferson
#59If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 5:01pm
GavestonPS said: "Sorry, val, but you are wrong. "You" and "I" in the sentence in question are both SUBJECT pronouns: "You do that"; "I do that"; your clue might have been the use of "who", also a subject pronoun."
Val has already responded to this, but I wanted to ask if you would ever say something like who does that except I? It's similar to the sentence in question, but we've gotten rid of the you. The new version is quite bad to my ears, but I'm curious to know if you disagree. I'm a linguistics student, and that would be an interesting data point. :)
In my own grammar, except functions as a preposition in this context (a short version of except for), so it takes object pronouns.
#60If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 5:25pm
Reba would nail it. Does Parker Posey sing? She could be funny.
That Allison Janney idea got me thinking about her in MAME as well. She'd be great, acting-wise. I don't know if her voice would work for it. From her performance in 9 to 5, it seemed higher than, say, Carol Channing or Lauren Bacall, but not by much.
Theatrefanboy1
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/2/15
#61If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 5:47pm
I would agree I would love to see:
1) Bernadette Peters
2) Dolly Parton
3) Reba
Take on the role of Miss Levi
Maybe this would be a stretch but does anyone think that Cher would take on the role.
Or even Meryl Streep (which I know I highly doubt she would replace someone)
#62If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 5:49pm
^I would kill to see Meryl Streep play Dolly, but she's said that she's not interested in revivals at the moment.
#63If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 5:58pm
icecreambenjamin said: "^I would kill to see Meryl Streep play Dolly, but she's said that she's not interested in revivals at the moment."
Has Meryl ever done a legit musical on Broadway?
Caption: Every so often there was a rare moment of perfect balance when I soared above him.
Updated On: 3/27/17 at 05:58 PM
#64If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 6:06pm
Valentina3 said: "icecreambenjamin said: "^I would kill to see Meryl Streep play Dolly, but she's said that she's not interested in revivals at the moment."
??????Has Meryl ever done a legit musical on Broadway?
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Yes she has. She starred in the Kurt Weill musical Happy End on Broadway in 1977.
“I knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then.”
#65If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 6:26pm
Meryl also did Wolfe's production of Mother Courage off Broadway (???? I think) where she sang. I think Tesori did the score.
She once said that she wants to come back to Broadway in a new play or musical, but isn't interested in revivals.
Cat Guy
Leading Actor Joined: 3/17/17
#66If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 8:09pm
Betty Buckley or Kristin Chenoweth. Just because.
Updated On: 3/27/17 at 08:09 PM
kofler22
Featured Actor Joined: 9/1/14
#68If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 8:55pm
Nice to know about Meryl. It would be a real dream come true if she can take on the role, but I doubt it will happen. Agree about Kristin Chenoweth, btw. She exudes such warmth and has amazing comedic timing. She'd be a great Dolly Levi :)
Caption: Every so often there was a rare moment of perfect balance when I soared above him.
#69If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 8:59pm
South Fl Marc said: "Jennifer Lopez - as what, Ms Money? - Ms Lopez cant act , cant sing, cant dance a triple threat."
Clearly, you've never see JLo live. She can dance... Very well. The roles she's taken as far as acting go have played to her strengths. Singing, not so strong.
#70If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 9:03pm
Chenoweth was rumored for a Dolly revival after Patti's fell through.
She'd be a very interesting choice.
Phantom4ever
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/17/07
#71If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 9:44pm
GavestonPS said:
I is always the subject of a sentence or clause; the subject indicates who does something such as "look up rules on the internet".
Me is always the object in a sentence or clause; the object indicates one to whom something--"invited"--is done.
I is in the subjective case, but your suggestion that I is "always"s the subject of a sentence doesn't take into account when people are confused by the subject and object case, like you were. So awkward. "Except" is a preposition in the debated sentence, which means that I/ME must be in the OBJECT case because ME is the OBJECT of the preposition. I vs ME is probably one of the most difficult grammar concepts for people to understand because of hypercorrection---people remember being told "My friend and I, not my friend and me" and they think "I = correct and me = incorrect." The poster who sadly tried to post all of those strangely-worded rules did not understand the difference between all subjects and all objects. It's a common mistake. But this is another good reason why it's never good to go around berating strangers' grammar.
I showed this thread to my 7th graders (I had to skip the "a-hole" earlier in the thread, thanks Lizzie) to show them that rules of civility and graciousness are far more important than rules of grammar. Yes, we will always deal with snark and rudeness in the comments section and on boards like this, but hopefully the next generation coming up will be better than we are.
Back to the topic: This production of Dolly certainly has a chance of going the way of Hedwig, with less-popular and talented names trying to keep the show running. But I hope not. I for one would love to see Audra in this role more than any of the other names listed. Bernadette, too. By the way: If I had made a grammer mistake in this post; why not just pat urself on the back for notisicing it and keep it moving? ; )
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#72If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/27/17 at 11:38pm
Wick3 said: "Lea Salonga
Audra Mcdonald
Heather Headley
Jennifer Lopez
Meryl Streep
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Omg how did I not think of my goddess Lea Salonga!!!!!????
#73If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/28/17 at 4:55am
Another fantasy but would love to see Caroline O'Connor wear that famous red frock--she would sing and dance Dolly right out into Times Square.
She is someone who doesn't hold back--she'd be able to leap across with the waiters [AND sing 8 performances !].
Maybe Anastasia might open up more windows for her.
BWAY Baby2
Broadway Star Joined: 11/10/14
#74If Hello Dolly could extend its run?
Posted: 3/28/17 at 5:15am
Could Harvey Fierstein get away with it? Would love to see someone in drag- any ideas?
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