Karen Olivo not returning to MOULIN ROUGE! — Page 3

^As several people have pointed out already, Olivo doesn't seem to think that leaving Moulin Rouge will directly take down Rudin. They seem to be doing this for their own moral principles, and to encourage further dialogue on the topic by making their public statement.

Alexander Lamar said: "Does working to change something “from the inside” ever really work?"

Better than from the outside, that's for sure. Why do you think more of the millennial generation is running for public office? Activism isn't to be underestimated, but "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is a timeless phrase for a reason. Gotta join the system to change it from within sometimes.

I also appreciate the more nuanced responses in this thread. I applaud her decision, but she has next to nothing to lose, and indeed she's cried wolf just a few too many times for me to want to take this more seriously. Her quitting isn't going to do anything, but I can only hope it's one of a great many things that'll help in the end. And "monsters in every walk of life" isn't propaganda, it's just true. Just because you don't hear about other "Rudins" doesn't mean they don't exist, because they absolutely do.

Dolly80 said: "Not sure what to make of this at all.

I’m half feeling good for you and also Get over yourself. How lucky to be in a position where you don’t need the work. I’m not sure what exactly this will achieve.

It’s hardly going to create any interest beyond a bit of Broadway chatter on social media for a day.

Let’s hope the new Satine actually has some chemistry with Aaron Tveit when it resumes performances."

She still has to work. She's making a stand by quitting this high profile job of hers. It's not consequence-free. She's taking a risk because she believes in what's right and wants to make a change. I'm sure she's aware of her not-so-stellar work history, so I think she actually has a lot more to lose from this.

But above all, she's doing this because no one else is. And for her, that was the tipping point. It's getting a lot of press, so if anything, it should start helping others in the industry speak up.

Jordan Catalano said: "No joke - she immediately popped in my mind when I heard the news!"

Honestly.... she'd probably be better.

Whew! This thread.

There's a lot of jealousy going around. All the attacks on her privilege and career and work ethic. Y'all just telling on yourself.

Why not just believe her? It lines up with things she's said about the industry and with the work she's done in activism. The moment felt clarifying to her that the industry seems more interested in money than people.

Will her protest matter? Who knows. That's what you can say about every protest, always. You do it because you must. I, for one, think it moved the issue back into the headlines, where it was already fading because people were scared to hurt their careers.

Ms Olivo just hurt hers, as evidenced by the bratty jealousy on this board. But Bway stardom is not her North Star. One, she achieved it. Two, it ain't worth much if you can't be a full citizen and stand up for others.

I've heard from someone associated with the show that they were considering not resigning her contract because of poor attendance. She quit before she got fired.

Finally got a chance to watch her IG video. Is she really implying the choice is binary - I can care about my pocketbook or I can care about humanity?? Maybe she has the luxury of not worrying about money but if you are in the majority of people who have to pay rent, put food on the table, pay for healthcare you have no choice but to care about your pocketbook!

She can't be so naive as to not understand why people are afraid to speak out.

I applaud her for taking a stand (although I'm not really sure what the goal is here) but she seems to be trying to shame others for not taking the same approach.

sassylash3s said: "..but also that it's probably easier for her to make this sacrifice given her apparent ambivalence about performing on Broadway."

Yes, and *why* has she been ambivalent about Broadway? When she left the first time she said it was because she felt she wasn't giving back enough. When she then discovered teaching, she says it fulfills that need for her.

If anyone thnks starring on Bway isn't bigger money than teaching, you've never taught. And her original ambivalence is further proof that she seems less interested in stardom and stars than y'all are.

PS We all know Rudin has folks on this board, when he isn't allegedly throwing objects at them and sending them to the ER. So, expect some spin coming from those corners, too.

Updated On: 4/15/21 at 07:46 AM

Dolly80 said: "From the things I’ve heard from people working on the show, no ones gonna be devastated that she isn’t returning."

well, it has always been thus (going back to her time in Rent). not exactly the most popular among those who work with her.

BUT thats beside the point, as is the substance of Rudin's behavior, which no one here is defending. She wants "Broadway" to "speak up" and have "integrity" and that sounds great but in practical terms means nothing. if she wanted to give back and teach rather than earn a Broadway paycheck, more power to her, but shes making a Statement here that isnt Stating much, other than setting up a tension between Those Who Are Just! and Those Who Are Willing to Be Less Just By...Working Integrity-Free On Broadway!

its childish. every single one of us works in industries that reward or ignore bad behavior to a degree. identifying, shaming, PROSECUTING, those bad actors is loooong overdue. this isnt that.

ColorTheHours048 said: "This thread is one of the biggest garbage fires I’ve seen on this board since I joined, and that’s saying a lot because some of you have been looking foolish forever.

^ ALL OF THIS. #FACTS

Olivo's decision has obviously gotten under a lot of people's skin and they can't deal. Her reasons for leaving don't sit well with them because they don't want to face the reality so they are creating a false narrative to justify how they feel. But, it's not your reality, it's Olivo's, so y'all seriously need to find another bag to punch.

Updated On: 4/15/21 at 09:40 AM