OlBlueEyes said: "henrikegerman said: "Olblueeyes, the themes of Pygmalionremain the themes of Pygmalionregardless of any moral and political objections to or even outrage toward Shaw.
How do any ofyour arguments about Shaw'spolitical viewschange the fact that he wrote a play in which two characters are being groomed by a third to come out of dire povertyand into middle class respectability, with each facing uniquechallenges as to how to personallyfit into societyand navigating acollisionbetween their ownself-actualization andmiddle class values and expectations?"
I don't want to interrupt the discussion of the musical, which I myself found to be "memorable," but I find it incorrect to ascribe to Shaw some great insight into class and morality in Victorian England through the actions and choices made by the eccentric characters he created for the play. Not many of the lower class women of the era had the spunk and intelligence of Eliza, and scarcely any of these had the fortune of encountering a Higgins. It is to Shaw's credit that he created characters for this comedy which resonated with his audience. You write 600 plays during your life and you should have a few that outlive you.
But I don't see anything heroic about Shaw's insistence that Eliza cut off Higgins entirely at the end, especially if she chose Shaw's option to run a flower shop with Freddy. Eliza in "Show Me" I believe established that he was beneath her, and she might have had a much more interesting life with the humbled (and much younger than the Rex Harrison we remember) Higgins."
Fine and good, but what does ascribing or not ascribing heroism to Shaw's intentions have to do with our interpretations of the play he wrote? This isn't about endorsing or embracing Shaw's themes and ideas (in general, politically, on some controversial, even alarming, occasions, or even in the play itself). One is free to relate to Shaw's ideas or theories or reject them, just as with any other writer or idealist-theorist of any sort.
It has to do with being attuned to the themes and ideas presented in a work. Of identifying those ideas and themes so that they can be appreciated or rejected (or anything in between), discussed both in terms of their value and in terms of how well the work conveys them.
And certainly Shaw, of all modern playwrights, had strong themes and marked ideas.
Also, how does a woman wanting a man to "show" her his feelings for her rather than speak of them (the throughline of "Show Me"
- which btw is a rather topically controversial one (given our sensitivities to men committing amorous/romantic/sexual acts when there is no wish by the woman for him to do so - particularly in the context of two people, such as Eliza and Freddy, who hardly know each other and have only met briefly... and she wants him to be physically demonstrative without speaking of his feelings and hearing her response... hmmm -
how does anything about "Show Me" suggest that the man is beneath the woman? Because he isn't physically or sexually assertive enough - that somehow makes him unsuitable or a lesser person? And your take on this is all the more unclear to me given that Freddy's being all talk and no "moves," doesn't contrast him with Higgins. In fact, Eliza makes it very clear that her lament in "Show Me" is not directed only at Freddy's behavior in this regard. To the contrary, she equates Freddy's behavior with Higgins' own ("I get words all day through, first from him now from you"
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And who do we think is most in Eliza's mind during this song?
The man who is dominating her life and whom she has just had the cojones to escape.... or the dear boy she hardly knows who she happens upon coming out of the house?
hint: that's a rhetorical question.
Once could even make the argument that what "Show Me" is about is Eliza's romantic frustration with Higgins brilliantly disguised as her romantic frustration with Freddy. Both Pygmalion and My Fair Lady leave much unsaid about the just beneath the surface romance between the two principals but both have enough there in subtext and passionate discussion of their possibly marrying and Higgins abandonment issues when Eliza leaves for the question of their having strong feelings for each other (tinged with dominance, submission, codependence, but also with them finally having met their match, intellectually and passionately and not taking any of what they consider crap from each other) and quite possibly an intense attachment of the heart to be inescapable.
Not to mention that "Show Me" is Lerner, not Shaw. In Pygmalion, as far as I recall there is no parallel scene in Shaw's play where Eliza laments that Freddy isn't being assertive enough romantically and is only wooing her with words.
Updated On: 4/3/18 at 10:50 AM