NBC's SMASH - Series & Broadway Adaptation Thread- Page 74
NBC's SMASH - Series & Broadway Adaptation Thread
#1825Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 12:30pm
'On another subject, what happened to Julia's original conception for the show's opening where it's "Let Me Be Your Star" but the girls surrounding Norma Jean are taunting her? I liked that and it made sense, not the current conception where they just stand around her and stay silent.'
That was actually a plot point addressed (last week, i think?). Rebecca felt the 'Shadow Marilyns' (why is that not the name instead of BOMBSHELL???) shouldn't sing. They were then rendered mute.
SueleenGay
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/9/03
#1826Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 12:37pm
Oh, Goth, of course I have seen soap operas. I gave up watching them because the story lines started hitting a bit too close to home for me. I just couldn't take it.
Thankfully, with SMASH, I have none of the terrible problems that these people face and so I can watch with a much more objective outlook.
And I call dibs on going as Eileen for Halloween.
PEACE.
#1827Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 12:37pm
Sporkgoddess, you completely missed the point of Thurman's character. That she looked or sounded like Monroe is incidental (though I would argue that she looked and sounded no less like the real Marilyn than either Hilty or McPhee).
The point is that a reality of the business is that you have to have a star to put butts in the seats and you have to be able to tailor your show to showcase a star's attributes. That angle of the series has so far been just about the only realistic depiction of commercial production.
karen24
Broadway Star Joined: 2/27/06
#1828Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:09pm
Regarding the problem with the ending of "Bombshell" and Rebecca's dismay that no one applauded: I don't think a lack of applause at the end of a musical is *necessarily* a death sentence. Look at "West Side Story." The two principal characters die, and from what I've read, the audience response was sobbing, shocked silence, etc., followed after a few minutes by applause during the curtain calls. Yes, having Marilyn die at the end is not an upbeat ending, but I thought it was actually more relevant that Ellis said that "she wasn't landing any of her numbers" - implying that she was subpar throughout the whole show. It's hard to judge when we're only seeing snippets of it, but it seemed that the numbers that didn't feature Marilyn got the biggest applause.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Tom & Julia change the ending.
I enjoyed this episode overall, because it focused almost exclusively on the actual show, and we didn't have to hear about Dev's work problems or Julia's son's issues. My least favorite scene was probably the church number. I thought it was just a plot mechanism to get Tom and Julia to apologize to one another - although neither of them seemed particularly moved by religious fervor.
Maggie-the-schnoodle
#1829Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:09pm
So the question begs to be asked:
Who's body is this? 
I say based off out the shaped and musculature, it is Ivy. But the chin has be thin inking otherwise.
Also it could have nothing to do with who gets the role.
"I think lying to children is really important, it sets them off on the right track" -Sherie Rene Scott-
#1830Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:16pm
I think if the writers (of SMASH) had meant us to believe Rebecca was giving a sub-par performance, they would have more blatantly illustrated that during the 'on-stage' moments or had it addressed by the other characters (Ellis's opinion doesn't count for much).
Rebecca's disdain at the lack of applause I found in a way charming as it completely evidenced her lack of nerve in participating in a musical on stage.
Probably the most realistic exchange of the entire series has been when she told Karen appearing on stage was the 'singular most terrifying experience' of her life and that she wasn't going back because she didn't have too.
Rebecca is a movie star who is self admitting she isn't up to the rigors and terror of creating a new musical. I found that admission really refreshing. It reminded me a little of Brook Shield's comments about why she left LEAP OF FAITH.
I think its completely ironic that Thurman (to quote EW) seems not only to have been the only actor on the show to realize the camp of the material, she's also the one to ultimately have been given the only really realistic character on the show
Updated On: 5/8/12 at 01:16 PM
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#1831Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:26pm
"So the question begs to be asked:
Who's body is this?"
The armpits are definitely Patti LuPone, Evita circa 1979
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
SueleenGay
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/9/03
#1832Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:32pmArms over head is Karen's move. My bets are on McAfee.
PEACE.
#1833Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:53pm
Ya know...I think I'm going to disagree with Michael Bennett just a little bit here. Not about Thurman's character (it's the gem of the show). But about the hypothesis that shows need stars to get butts in seats.
I think that's true of revivals. But not of new musicals. I will agree that, in many respects, new musicals are 'star-driven,' I just think the star is not an actor. It's either based on a popular pre-existing source (be it the movie Ghost, or the Mamma Mia catalogue or the Wizard of Oz tie-in with Wicked) or that it's created by someone 'important' (Bono, The South Park guys, Mel Brooks).
I think the last decade or so has proven that producers of new musicals want a show where the show is the star...and recasting can happen easily. My guess is that's where SMASH is going to end up.
nygrl232
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/19/08
#1834Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 1:53pm
That photo looks like Ivy to me.
Ivy will go on as Marilyn, and then she will take too many pills again, and that will require Karen to go on, who will eat a bad crab salad at Legal Sea Food, and then Jessica will go on, and she'll win the Tony.
SporkGoddess
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/27/05
#1835Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 2:03pm
SonofRobbie: But the shadow Marilyns didn't sing, they talked. Oh well, that was probably Smash's way of addressing it.
Michael Bennett: I knew that was the point of her character, but if I were an audience member I would have preferred a nobody who could sing. I usually feel that way about stunt casting. I know that the rest of America probably doesn't.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
SueleenGay
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/9/03
#1836Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 2:06pm
Dang, if the producers of this show missed this photo op they are nucking futs! Check it out!
Marilyn Comes Down
PEACE.
CurtainPullDowner
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/4/04
#1837Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 2:11pm
I also thought that Thorsten/bartender/Ian was going out to whack Ellis off.
He's obviously a hit-man/rough-em up man, thus the arm injury.
#1838Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 2:28pm
Oh Robbie, I definitely agree with you in terms of historical accuracy and musical theory. Definitely most of the major hits of the last 25 years have not been star driven, and there isn't any reason why a show like BOMBSHELL couldn't be a hit without a star.
I was merely applauding the writers (of SMASH) for at least treating the subject matter (once Anjelica Houston's character decided the show 'needed' a star) realistically and am applauding Thurman for creating a realistic depiction of a movie star giving perhaps a more credible than electric performance at the heart of it.
All that said, I don't think a musical announced out of town with a major movie star in the lead would likely ever come into Broadway with an unknown replacement (Can you imagine Hugh Jackman's understudy replacing him in previews of BOY FROM OZ? I think not...)
But such is the soap opera treatment of the show, so we can't get caught up too much in the reality of it.
Unless of course they just want to drag this Marilyn-musical on forever and spend next season bringing in a host of guest stars to be potential stars they are trying for the central role.
#1839Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 2:33pm
I can't wait to see Sarah Silverman's guest arc!
And yes...then we are in total agreement. The issues brought up by the search for a star and how it was handled was the one ounce of realistic sanity in the whirling Tazmanian devil that is SMASH.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#1840Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 3:15pmI'm sorry, but after that church scene, I thought, 'Karen is the worst at lip-synching. I never believe she's ever singing one note live'
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#1841Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 3:55pm
Prediction for an upcoming episode: Heeding his perpetual need to have sex with women other than his wife, Michael Swift does the horizontal mambo with Ivy/Karen/pretty-much-any-female-cast-member-take-your-pick, driving Julia into an insane fit of jealousy, much to Frank's chagrin.
On another note: Wonder if Eileen's boyfriend got into a fight with Eileen's ex-husband. Hence the sling.
#1842Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 4:37pm
"I love church!" was such a bad line, both in writing and delivery. I mean, really -- who would chirp, "I'm so glad you organized this! I love church!"?
I only wish Karen had said "I love church!" over and over again so it could have become the new "I'm in TECH!"
I'm going to miss Uma Thurman. She did a great job in what could have been a nothing part. I had no trouble believing Rebecca had star presence and knew it.
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#1843Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 4:39pmThe "I love church" line made me think of when Harry said "I love magic" in Goblet of Fire, and the whole world cried a little then.
"I think lying to children is really important, it sets them off on the right track" -Sherie Rene Scott-
#1844Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 4:40pm
I only wish Karen had said "I love church!" over and over again so it could have become the new "I'm in TECH!"
Me too, because that one's gotten really tired.
#1845Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 4:42pm
All that said, I don't think a musical announced out of town with a major movie star in the lead would likely ever come into Broadway with an unknown replacement (Can you imagine Hugh Jackman's understudy replacing him in previews of BOY FROM OZ? I think not...)
Isn't that kind of what happened with Leap of Faith?
#1846Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 4:49pmI'm interested to see where they go with the finale. Hopefully from now until July they'll start reworking alot.
#1847Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 5:13pm... first order of business would be to give Ellis the heave-ho. from RC in Austin, Texas
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#1848Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 6:09pm
Why did Anjelica Huston say "I'LL SEE YOU AT INTERVAL" to Tom and Julia before the first performance? She's a Broadway producer and from the United States. Only in Europe is it called "interval" and not "intermission". I know it was deliberately written that way by the writers and was not just a mistake, but it's just annoying.
Any thoughts?
#1849Smash - Series Discussion
Posted: 5/8/12 at 6:27pmI'm just wondering for season two if they'll simply move the show back into a "workshop" mode and maybe do another out-of-town try-out. I can't imagine season two heading straight to Broadway.
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