#176
Posted: 1/2/18 at 6:02pm
Agreed--he's making bold statements without much follow through (which coincidentally he calls out critics for doing). This is one big reach for me.
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#177
Posted: 1/2/18 at 6:09pm
LizzieCurry said: "Bumping for Brandon Victor Dixon's thoughtful take:
https://www.facebook.com/brandonvdixon/posts/10214279190431767"
I can never understand the arguments that this show shouldn't run because it's "problematic." Frankly, that's exactly why it should run, imo. No one leaves the theater thinking "Wow, one day I want to be like Ti Moune and sacrifice myself for a man who doesn't really love me!" No—they leave thinking very similar thoughts to Mr. Dixon: "That was really messed up," and it sparks a dialogue.
I mean, I saw it a few weeks ago with a group from my school. All high school-aged kids, including three black girls all almost the same age as Kilgore. None of us took away the idea that Daniel/Ti Moune had some sort of great, Romeo and Juliet-esque love story. We saw the story of an overly optimistic girl who fell in love with a guy who took advantage of her. And maybe—maybe—they could have been together for real if it weren't for the race/class barriers that forced them into their roles. But they weren't. And sometimes that's just the horrible reality of things.
We didn't need it spelt out for us, nor did we think the show needed to go just because there's no great message at the end. It is what it is, and as long as people walk away from it knowing that it is extremely problematic, then I really do have trouble seeing the issue.
(Of course, these are just my opinions. I would be happy to hear other sides of this discussion as I'm genuinely having some trouble seeing why people take such issue with this.)
#178
Posted: 1/2/18 at 6:30pm
Just self destructive SJW talk that makes all of us liberals who can think for ourselves look bad.
#179
Posted: 1/2/18 at 6:41pm
GeorgeandDot said: "Just self destructive SJW talk that makes all of us liberals who can think for ourselves look bad."
ew
Updated On: 1/2/18 at 06:41 PM
#180
Posted: 1/2/18 at 7:18pm
SJWs are not good. I agree with about 95% of their beliefs, but they're bandwagon jumping, lynch mobs who have no real opinion outside of their social media accounts because all it is, is an act to get likes and retweets. They hardly ever take any real action aside from posting about how the way a musical or film didn't seem to align 100% with their fake beliefs.
#181
Posted: 1/2/18 at 7:46pm
GeorgeandDot said: "SJWs are not good. I agree with about 95% of their beliefs, but they're bandwagon jumping, lynch mobs who have no real opinion outside of their social media accounts because all it is, is an act to get likes and retweets. They hardly ever take any real action aside from posting about how the way a musical or film didn't seem to align 100% with their fake beliefs."
Quadruple ew.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-google-chrome-extension-replaces-political-correctness-with-something-more-accurate_us_55c82605e4b0923c12bd4a91
#182
Posted: 1/2/18 at 8:29pm
Nice article. Don't really understand what it has to do with anything here.
#183
Posted: 1/3/18 at 10:48am
Daniel isn't white. The actor playing Daniel in the current Broadway production (Isaac Powell) isn't white, nor is the actor who originated the role (Jerry Dixon). Yet BVD and several people on Twitter have referred to both the character and the actor as white, with no pushback. I also saw one Twitter user refer to Powell as "white passing," an extremely questionable term when used in reference to how one perceives another person's racial/ethnic heritage. I am all for genuine reactions to art and thoughtful examinations of what some find problematic, but it disturbs me when people twist the narrative to support their reading of something.
"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe."
-John Guare, Landscape of the Body
#184
Posted: 1/3/18 at 11:36am
AC126748 said: "Daniel isn't white. The actor playing Daniel in the current Broadway production (Isaac Powell) isn't white, nor is the actor who originated the role (Jerry Dixon). Yet BVD and several people on Twitter have referred to both the character and the actor as white, with no pushback. I also saw one Twitter user refer to Powell as "white passing," an extremely questionable term when used in reference to how one perceives another person's racial/ethnic heritage. I am all for genuine reactions to art and thoughtful examinations of what some find problematic, but it disturbs me when people twist the narrative to support their reading of something.
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As a mixed person myself, It bothers me so much, and this is just an example of how the mixed racial community is often overlooked or mis-identified. Even by people of Color. I was so happy that this show was able to portray mixed people and clearly identify them as mixed.
#185
Posted: 1/3/18 at 4:20pm
There are some further interesting comments on both sides of the question on Instagram, Twitter and the aforementioned Facebook, including some additional responses from BVD on Instagram at least (my access level won't let me thoroughly check for any additional responses on the other platforms). Agree with him or not, to his credit he does seem to be trying to keep the discussion respectful, as originally claimed. He's also encouraging people to see the show for themselves and make up their own minds. A refreshing contrast in this age of "somebody said X is offensive and so I am never ever going to read/watch it for myself and anyone who does is horrible OMG".
https://www.instagram.com/p/BddfeNplYCQ/?taken-by=brandonvdixon
https://twitter.com/BrandonVDixon/status/948294066080534533
https://www.facebook.com/brandonvdixon/posts/10214279190431767
#186
Posted: 1/3/18 at 4:39pm
"Why was my post about my post being deleted, deleted, causing my account to be banned from posting" - The Lion Roars 2k18
Updated On: 1/3/18 at 04:39 PM
#187
Posted: 1/3/18 at 4:52pm
Bwayfan292 said: "I may be in the minority when i saw this but, i always ask myself why does everything have to be a race thing? "
oh boy
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#188
Posted: 1/3/18 at 4:56pm
Yeah. After re-reading what i wrote... yikes.
"Why was my post about my post being deleted, deleted, causing my account to be banned from posting" - The Lion Roars 2k18
#189
Posted: 1/3/18 at 5:05pm
I have been in OOTI before and while it wasn't an ideal situation (mostly white cast) I think the humanity of the show is what makes it special. Yes absolutely it's horrible what happens to Ti Moune and basically she is reduced to potentially being a mistress, but it's her death that brings about the eventual equality on the island. The storytellers are putting on the story of Ti Moune to show that. If you should take away anything from OOTI it should be the humanity and spirit of the morals and story. Just my opinion...
#190
Posted: 1/3/18 at 7:23pm
"in the context of the show he visually appears white..The visual is what carries the message. Not the true substance of his person. That's what racism and colorism are about. Surface." - from BVD's instagram in the comments of his post...does anyone else find that kinda....icky?
Also should point out that I think news of this post got around to Isaac Powell, as he posted in his instagram story yesterday an image that had the phrase "but he looks white" written multiple times around a statement that said "people of color come in all shades," or something of that sort. I didn't think to get a screenshot of it, but clearly something had upset him. BVD is essentially saying "but he looks white," is the entire issue with the show, and that's terrible, imo. Treating "white-passing" members of the black community as if they don't belong has been a major issue for a long time, but BVD seems incredibly uninterested in that.
Updated On: 1/3/18 at 07:23 PM
#191
Posted: 1/3/18 at 8:06pm
leighmiserables said: ""in the context of the show he visually appears white..The visual is what carries the message. Not the true substance of his person. That's what racism and colorism are about. Surface." - from BVD's instagram in the comments of his post...does anyone else find that kinda....icky?
Also should point out that I think news of this post got around to Isaac Powell, as he posted in his instagram story yesterday an image that had the phrase "but he looks white" written multiple times around a statement that said "people of color come in all shades," or something of that sort. I didn't think to get a screenshot of it, but clearly something hadupset him. BVD is essentially saying "but he looks white," is the entire issue with the show, and that's terrible, imo. Treating "white-passing" members of the black community as if they don't belong has been a major issue for a long time, but BVD seems incredibly uninterested in that."
Yes! It is literally the **point of the entire show**
#192
Posted: 1/4/18 at 7:06am
Apparently last night somebody was filming in the first row and trying to talk to Hailey, does anyone know if that's true?
#193
Posted: 1/4/18 at 8:01am
Yep, they were. They also swore and ate. She stopped the show because the ushers couldnt get the person out.
#194
Posted: 1/4/18 at 8:19am
ellbellthomps said: "Yep, they were. They also swore and ate.She stopped the show because the ushers couldnt get the person out."
Wow, sources? I would like to hear more about it!
#196
Posted: 1/4/18 at 10:23am
WldKingdomHM said: "they had a show last night?"
Why wouldn't they?
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#197
Posted: 1/4/18 at 11:40am
They only have a matinee on Wednesday. The incident in question happened at the matinee, apparently.
"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe."
-John Guare, Landscape of the Body
#198
Posted: 1/4/18 at 12:35pm
I was at the matinee and can confirm that Hailey did stop the show and call for stage management, who couldn’t make it down to remove the patrons, so the show continued anyway afterwards.
#199
Posted: 1/4/18 at 11:22pm
Whoa! Now I'm curious --- how come stage management couldn't remove those patrons on the front row?!? Wouldn't this be a security issue for the actors?!?
#200
Posted: 1/4/18 at 11:41pm
The Latinos ate and talked through the Evita revival and no one removed them either 
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